My Newest Coolest Error Coin so far this year ......

ctf_error_coins · April 16, 2011 6:00AM

This is one sweet eye appealing error coin. Looks like a piece of art to me. Just try to imagine the sequence of events for this fabulous unique error to occur. Thanks to ebay bucks and ebates I got this coin for 50% off. Remember there is only dreck on ebay

savoyspecial · April 16, 2011 6:14AM

neat error

here's one:

ctf_error_coins · April 16, 2011 6:17AM

Wow, that's a nice one. I can tell you got it from Fred?

savoyspecial · April 16, 2011 6:32AM

not mine, i'm afraid

we have it for sale at the shop i work at.......it reminded me of the one you posted

keyman64 · April 16, 2011 6:33AM

Wild! Very Cool!

Broadstruck · April 16, 2011 6:38AM

What a chunk of superb gem junk

Shame it's not dated

grip · April 16, 2011 6:51AM

<< not mine, i'm afraid

we have it for sale at the shop i work at.......it reminded me of the one you posted >>

Nice web site
Easy to navagate
And best of all...You have pictures

ctf_error_coins · April 16, 2011 6:55AM

<< What a chunk of superb gem junk

Shame it's not dated

>>

It is so close to being dated and maybe on a good day I will be able to make it out. It Is a 199x, sure wish it was 2000.

Anyway, the date isn't too important because the error is just too darn cool. It is almost the size of a half dollar.

gonzer · April 16, 2011 7:06AM

FS too!

ricko · April 16, 2011 7:10AM

How the heel do these things get out of the mint???? I just do not understand this - oh sure, I can speculate on sneaky employees etc, but it just seems like their security would prevent that... amazing. Cheers, RickO

JamesMurray · April 16, 2011 7:11AM

Would this kind of error be found in the large bags of coins from the mint ? Id like to understand how something like that makes its way out of a mint , thanks. It's amazing by the way

ctf_error_coins · April 16, 2011 7:22AM

These types of errors were typically found in the large counting rooms and NOT snuck out. Since about 2002 the mint has required these counting rooms to return all the error or lose their contract is what I have heard.

fivecents · April 16, 2011 7:23AM

Very

<< How the heel do these things get out of the mint???? I just do not understand this - oh sure, I can speculate on sneaky employees etc, but it just seems like their security would prevent that... amazing. Cheers, RickO >>

Lunchboxes. Even US mint forklift oil pans. Exmint employies doing hard federal time that got caught smuggling the errors out.

ctf_error_coins · April 16, 2011 7:27AM

<< Very

<< How the heel do these things get out of the mint???? Lunchboxes. Even US mint forklift oil pans. Exmint employies doing hard federal time that got caught smuggling the errors out. >>

Yes that is true, but the vast majority of mint errors just happen as machines break and as people make mistakes and then the big counting rooms would catch them and sell them to error dealers. That was before my time, I wish is was that easy now to buy errors at wholesale.

JamesMurray · April 16, 2011 7:30AM

<< Very

<< How the heel do these things get out of the mint???? I just do not understand this - oh sure, I can speculate on sneaky employees etc, but it just seems like their security would prevent that... amazing. Cheers, RickO >>

Lunchboxes. Even US mint forklift oil pans. Exmint employies doing hard federal time that got caught smuggling the errors out. >>

WoW really? Fed time is always hard time , wow .. kinda takes the sparkle away to think some dude is sitting in the pen to provide them.

JupitarCoins · April 16, 2011 8:13AM

fivecents · April 16, 2011 8:33AM

<< Lunchboxes. Even US mint forklift oil pans. Exmint employies doing hard federal time that got caught smuggling the errors out >>

<< WoW really? Fed time is always hard time , wow .. kinda takes the sparkle away to think some dude is sitting in the pen to provide them >>

A very small ammount got out this way. Lomus and other coin rolling delivery firms would pull them out of the counting machines when they jammed the machine. The employies would buy them at face value and sell them to coin dealers. I actually witnessed a Lomus employ doing this at my local B&M years back. The US mint cracked down on this practice quite a few years ago. The US mint threatened to drop the multi million contracts if all mint errors weren't returned to the Mint.

Broadstruck · April 16, 2011 8:36AM

Well the full steps look clean so it wasn't smuggled out in a body cavity

It was most like just found in a mint sealed bag.

Aegis3 · April 16, 2011 11:27AM

Wow, that really is cool. Tough to make out the exact sequence; either three or four strikes, possibly one with a double indent in the middle of it. Can you rotate the photo of the obverse to show the first strike in normal orientation?

morgansforever · April 16, 2011 12:14PM

Very appealing, bad ass error you have there.
Bad meaning good

pontiacinf · April 16, 2011 1:27PM

I wanted to say smoething nappy as I am jealous and believe that belongs with me

but it way rocks and you rock for having that bad boy!

congrats, maybe smoeday Ill have smoething dat nice in my collection

goodmoney4badmoney · April 16, 2011 2:44PM

nice error

AuroraBorealis · April 16, 2011 5:05PM

Cool piece...

AB

gonzer · April 16, 2011 10:11PM

<< wasn't smuggled out in a body cavity >>

<< bad ass error you have there >>

Mmm...do I see some type of correlation there

ctf_error_coins · April 17, 2011 2:13AM

<< Wow, that really is cool. Tough to make out the exact sequence; either three or four strikes, possibly one with a double indent in the middle of it. Can you rotate the photo of the obverse to show the first strike in normal orientation? >>

Here is the photo you asked for and here is my explanation of what I think happened, do you think I got it right?

1) Struck as a normal Nickel
2) Struck again ( 2nd Strike) with a blank planchet covering the entire obverse design of the first struck coin.
3) Struck a third time (3rd strike) and the bank shifted and now only covered 7/8 of the design.
4) Struck one last time (4th Strike) with the blank and the coin shifted off center.

As the 4 strikes occurred, the stuck coin kept getting bigger and thinner and the blank plancent (which actually became multi struck on the obverse side) expanded an got quite thin as well. Do you think my coin could also be described as a Die Cap?

SullivanNumismatics · April 17, 2011 9:58AM

I saw this one on eBay as well-awesome coin. I might have owned it at one time...

Jon

SullivanNumismatics · April 17, 2011 10:05AM

<< Here is the photo you asked for and here is my explanation of what I think happened, do you think I got it right?

1) Struck as a normal Nickel
2) Struck again ( 2nd Strike) with a blank planchet covering the entire obverse design of the first struck coin.
3) Struck a third time (3rd strike) and the bank shifted and now only covered 7/8 of the design.
4) Struck one last time (4th Strike) with the blank and the coin shifted off center.

As the 4 strikes occurred, the stuck coin kept getting bigger and thinner and the blank plancent (which actually became multi struck on the obverse side) expanded an got quite thin as well. Do you think my coin could also be described as a Die Cap? >>

I would say you're almost right. In my opinion the coin was only struck 3 times: 1st strike normal, 2nd 90% indent and broadstruck, 3rd off-center and indent.

Nope, it's just a brockage-maker, not a die cap; the coin didn't stick to any die and then get struck into incoming planchets.

Jon

ctf_error_coins · April 17, 2011 10:24AM

<< I would say you're almost right. In my opinion the coin was only struck 3 times: 1st strike normal, 2nd 90% indent and broadstruck, 3rd off-center and indent.
Jon >>

Thanks Jon, But why is Liberty not as sharp as In God We ?, Is it because of the metal expansion ? That is why I thought it might be struck 4 times, even tho the reverse show three strikes ( I thought the 2nd strike in my scenario covered the first strike on the reverse). Thank you for your input.

Rob790 · April 17, 2011 11:24AM

That's a beauty!

LALASD4 · April 17, 2011 11:24AM

I agree with Jon, on the second strike the idented part is thicker therefore Liberty received a much lighter strike. The Liberty from the first strike were completely erase by the indented planchet on the second strike.

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<< I would say you're almost right. In my opinion the coin was only struck 3 times: 1st strike normal, 2nd 90% indent and broadstruck, 3rd off-center and indent.
Jon >>

Thanks Jon, But why is Liberty not as sharp as In God We ?, Is it because of the metal expansion ? That is why I thought it might be struck 4 times, even tho the reverse show three strikes ( I thought the 2nd strike in my scenario covered the first strike on the reverse). Thank you for your input. >>

SullivanNumismatics · April 17, 2011 12:27PM

<< 

<< I would say you're almost right. In my opinion the coin was only struck 3 times: 1st strike normal, 2nd 90% indent and broadstruck, 3rd off-center and indent.
Jon >>

Thanks Jon, But why is Liberty not as sharp as In God We ?, Is it because of the metal expansion ? That is why I thought it might be struck 4 times, even tho the reverse show three strikes ( I thought the 2nd strike in my scenario covered the first strike on the reverse). Thank you for your input. >>

Probably because of metal flow which caused weakening and distorting of the lettering. I'd have to see the coin in person to 100% rule out a 4th strike.

CaptHenway · April 17, 2011 1:21PM

Kewl, but I think they should put one grade for each strike on the slab........

errormaven · April 18, 2011 5:31AM

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<< 

<< I would say you're almost right. In my opinion the coin was only struck 3 times: 1st strike normal, 2nd 90% indent and broadstruck, 3rd off-center and indent.
Jon >>

Thanks Jon, But why is Liberty not as sharp as In God We ?, Is it because of the metal expansion ? That is why I thought it might be struck 4 times, even tho the reverse show three strikes ( I thought the 2nd strike in my scenario covered the first strike on the reverse). Thank you for your input. >>

Probably because of metal flow which caused weakening and distorting of the lettering. I'd have to see the coin in person to 100% rule out a 4th strike. >>

LIBERTY is not as sharp because the metal here was subjected to horizontal compressive and bending forces. This causes coarsening of the crystalline structure of the metal, producing a matte texture. Vertical compressive forces, horizontal compressive forces, and bending forces will all produce this effect, especially in nickels.

Like you, I first thought that the coarse texture was a sign of a second uniface strike or an indent, but examination of many multi-struck nickels has shown me that the effect can develop even in the absence of an overlying planchet.

I agree with the assesment that there were three strikes.

SeattleSlammer · April 20, 2011 12:42PM

I have no interest in errors but I'd still love to add that one to my collection!

My Newest Coolest Error Coin so far this year ......

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