bullion related question.......
JTMC
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hi all
my question is what happens if /when the dollar finaly colapses what do you do with all the silver and gold that you stacked?
if the dollar is totaly worth less one day do you wait to see if a new currency comes about and just exchange all your silver and gold for the new currency at some specified rate of exchange or do you hold it to barter with it. i am just having trouble trying to picture what is going to happen and am trying to plan for my family. its hard to plan when you dont know what the future holds. i think i have planed for a few different scenarios. but i would like to hear your thoughts on this.
thanks
john
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I for one hope it never gets to the point where I wouldn't trade my PMs for ANY amount of dollars. I don't see us getting to that point, Uncle Ben always has a trick or two up his sleeve. Seriously, I believe the Fed is purposely devaluing the dollar and eventually we will see that grind to a halt.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
derryb
i definitely agree with you that the fed is doing this on purpose . i am sure its to advance their NWO one world currency scheme. but what happens if they get their currency in place and force everyone to use it . i dont think we are going to get the same rate of exchange that the mega rich will get. thats why i will hold onto my pm's and wait to see what happens. i know its good to take profits but knowing me i would sell the pm's and on that day the new currency happens and i am sitting with paper instead of hard assets.
john
Normally holding cash is a bad idea, but Canadian cash may be a different story. Back in 2001-2002 I read Canada was the only nation of the G7 that didn't have any debt and I thought about exchanging some U.S. dollars for Canadian. At that time around 80 U.S. cents would have got me $1 Canadian; now it's going to cost me around $1.05 U.S. for a Cananian $1. If the rate of depreciation of the U.S. dollar increases I'm thinking having some Canadian dollars makes sense. Instead of having all my eggs in one basket with PMs I can have another basket with some currency in it.
Different types of PMs in different forms and some foreign currency, they can be exchanged for whatever type of money is needed.
<< <i>hi all
my question is what happens if /when the dollar finaly colapses what do you do with all the silver and gold that you stacked?
if the dollar is totaly worth less one day do you wait to see if a new currency comes about and just exchange all your silver and gold for the new currency at some specified rate of exchange or do you hold it to barter with it. i am just having trouble trying to picture what is going to happen and am trying to plan for my family. its hard to plan when you dont know what the future holds. i think i have planed for a few different scenarios. but i would like to hear your thoughts on this.
thanks
john >>
In today's world, it isn't very practical to do common business with PMs so the fact is that gold and silver are still gold and silver. Both would still have value. Why would you not keep the dollar? Does changing its name to something else like say a "purchasing note" make it less worthless? The simple solution would be to print more notes with higher denomination.
<< <i>In today's world, it isn't very practical to do common business with PMs so the fact is that gold and silver are still gold and silver. Both would still have value. Why would you not keep the dollar? Does changing its name to something else like say a "purchasing note" make it less worthless? The simple solution would be to print more notes with higher denomination. >>
Exactly. If we don't barter with dollars we'll barter with something else.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
We are getting moon money (in Dollars) for them, and of course, we are also seeing gold, silver and other PMs rise in other world currency terms once exchange rates are considered.
Let's say the dollar disappears completely.
Part of the whole panic buying of gold, silver and other PMs would be due the hypothetical immenent US dollar disappearance.
Once the US dollar disappearance becomes reality, the whole exchange the PMs for lots of dollars goes away.
Hypothetical reality sets in and the PMs will reprice based upon the new (and currently hypothetical) reality.
I say that at some point, shortly before, during or shortly after, people will realize what and how much the PMs are useful for in terms of "holders of monetary value" in their own locality / country.
I'm thinking the hyperinflated price in US Dollars won't be there for long and will, to some extent, disappear along with the US dollar. Why? If the other currencies are relatively stable with respect to the US dollar, then there won't be as much panic in those countries. They likely will not want to swap you what was once a lot of US Dollars (and so little in their currency) simply because things aren't so bad for them.
My take is the thing to do with PMs if the US dollar begins to really dig below the basement floors is sell them all and convert it to some new hard currency when there is still widespread world panic and you can get a ridiculously high price for them even when converted to the foreign currency.
Thoughts?
The only value in dollars is what they will purchase. Converting them to something more stable protects value.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>My take is the thing to do with PMs if the US dollar begins to really dig below the basement floors is sell them all and convert it to some new hard currency when there is still widespread world panic and you can get a ridiculously high price for them even when converted to the foreign currency. >>
MsMorrisine seems to understand the concept of retaining value, which I agree with. I just prefer to spread it between PMs and different foreign currencies now.
Usually, if I have nothing nice to say I'll keep quite but I'll make an exception here.
<< <i>If you are that worried that your dollars will be worthless and that certain govt agencies are out to create a new currency to screw you over--why don't you just move? >>
Where in the world did that come from? stevke, if you have not noticed the purchasing power of the dollar has been going down I'd suggest you open your eyes and read a little. People should be concerned with holding any wealth they've managed to accumulate, it doesn't matter if that ends with 2 or 3 zeros or 10. People should be concerned with their governments actions.
Why don't you just move? Now that's a constructive thought.
<< <i>If you are that worried that your dollars will be worthless and that certain govt agencies are out to create a new currency to screw you over--why don't you just move? >>
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All things considered, it would be easier and more just to insist that
the folks who are making the dollar worthless "just move."
<< <i>If it gets to that point, your best bet will be to convert the bullion into dollars and use it to pay off debts denominated in dollars. But the trick will be to pay the debts off before they are repriced into a new currency (which will not be favorable to debtors). >>
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Trying to get most dreamers to understand/accept that FACT
is extremely difficult.
Many dreamers STILL believe they will be able to pay off their
mortgages with a sock full of silver dimes, AFTER the "new
order" is established. The time to get that "free" house is
BEFORE the "new order" is in place.
1. we are printing too many of them
2. the Fed wants the dollar to lose value to help stimulate sales (exports) for American businesses.
once (if) our economy improves there will be less reason to print more dollars (stimulus spending will be scaled back). But keeping the dollar "competitive" makes our products sell better. Heck, the Chinese have been doing this for years. If China didn't depress its currency many jobs would have stayed in the USA.
so now the gold/silver/oil markets...
there are two factors behind these prices:
1. value of the dollar
2. true demand/supply
take out the "low dollar value" and there is plenty of oil so oil prices are likely to come down. now what about gold/silver? how much does the dollar affect these values? Im going to guess that in a world wide economic crunch there isnt much actual demand for gold and silver... so to keep the gold/silver rally going we need true economic growth and not just a falling dollar.
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You need to start buying Ameros:
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<< <i>If you are that worried that your dollars will be worthless and that certain govt agencies are out to create a new currency to screw you over--why don't you just move? >>
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All things considered, it would be easier and more just to insist that
the folks who are making the dollar worthless "just move." >>
Just has nothing to do with it, and obviously it would be easier for you to move yourself. But seriously, if things are so bad, so dire, and complete collapse of the economy and society are so imminent, why not just up and leave if you are so worried about it? I don't get it. Seems pretty irresponsible for you and your family to stay.
thanks for all the great posts.
secondrepublic- excellent info. now i know what i need to do.
as far as " moving" the only thing i am moving is my dollars into pm's.
i just feel bad for all the good people in this country that havent taken the red pill yet (matrix reference).
hopefuly all of us will make it through these crazy times allright.
john
If someone is worried about the economy and the currency, your suggestion is to move them? Where?
I knew it would happen.