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Counterfeit $2.50 indian
Teva
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I bought this from a trusted dealer he will refund me.
But what did he and I both miss on this common indian??
PCGS says questionable authenticity someone educate
me please.
But what did he and I both miss on this common indian??
PCGS says questionable authenticity someone educate
me please.
Give the laziest man the toughest job and he will find the easiest way to get it done.
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TD
buying from my local B&M's to protect myself.
The dealer I got it from is very honest and intelligent
but a little green yet. You just can't trust anybody under 50 ??
I guess we both are getting a lesson today!!
A big thanks to you captain.
It is gold, but not a true 1925, right?
This isn't some other metal and not a true coin, but it is at least gold (I understand the numismatic hit), right?
I'm used to the current Chinese counterfeits of silver dollars (which aren't silver at all) which is why I ask....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>So, kind of a gold-newbie question then....
It is gold, but not a true 1925, right?
This isn't some other metal and not a true coin, but it is at least gold (I understand the numismatic hit), right?
I'm used to the current Chinese counterfeits of silver dollars (which aren't silver at all) which is why I ask.... >>
Most counterfeit numismatic gold is made with real gold of the proper weight and fineness. The profit comes from the numismatic/collector premium.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>I took the weeklong Counterfeit Detection course at the ANA summer seminar last year. Everything went great, except for reliably detecting counterfeit $2.5 and $5 Indians. I think these are the toughest coins around to determine authenticity. >>
What session? I took that session 1! I too had difficulty with those. Wasn't that Omega counterfeit $20 awesome though!?
-Paul
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<< <i>So, kind of a gold-newbie question then....
It is gold, but not a true 1925, right?
This isn't some other metal and not a true coin, but it is at least gold (I understand the numismatic hit), right?
I'm used to the current Chinese counterfeits of silver dollars (which aren't silver at all) which is why I ask.... >>
Most counterfeit numismatic gold is made with real gold of the proper weight and fineness. The profit comes from the numismatic/collector premium. >>
That's kind of what I was thinking, but wanted to make sure. Thanks.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>This is why I don't have any old school gold coins and only bullion gold coins. Would love to grab a few of these $2.50 Indians but afraid I will end up with fakes. >>
Buy them in PCGS or NGC slabs from a reputable dealer and you shouldn't have any problems.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>So, kind of a gold-newbie question then....
It is gold, but not a true 1925, right?
This isn't some other metal and not a true coin, but it is at least gold (I understand the numismatic hit), right?
I'm used to the current Chinese counterfeits of silver dollars (which aren't silver at all) which is why I ask.... >>
This class of counterfeits is always good gold. We used to buy them at 90% of melt and burn them to get them off the market.
to PCGS. Bodybagged and we were both embarrassed! Obviously I refunded price+. No reverse
needed to detect stars that don't make the grade.
bob
<< <i>I bought this from a trusted dealer he will refund me.
But what did he and I both miss on this common indian??
PCGS says questionable authenticity someone educate
me please.
someone needs to explain why this coin appears to have raised details instead of incused, even the other
coin that appears in this thread has incused details, on this the raised details should be a huge standout
indicator its fake??? or am I wrong????
k another look looks like some is raised and some incused, is it just the pic???
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
someone needs to explain why this coin appears to have raised details instead of incused, even the other
coin that appears in this thread has incused details, on this the raised details should be a huge standout
indicator its fake??? or am I wrong????
Its a high res scan not a photo so maybe thats why it looks
odd to you but there's no raised detail.
And here is a high grade (MS-64) of the same type.
<< <i>someone needs to explain why this coin appears to have raised details instead of incused, even the other
coin that appears in this thread has incused details, on this the raised details should be a huge standout
indicator its fake??? or am I wrong????
Its a high res scan not a photo so maybe thats why it looks
odd to you but there's no raised detail. >>
Remember that the design details, such as the head and eagle, are themselves raised in normal relief, but recessed back into the coin so that the highest part of the relief is even with the fields. Instead of calling these "incused," it would be better to call them "recessed relief."
TD
that part of the problem is the unusual "incuse relief" design, which plays tricks on our
eyes. You have to see hundreds, if not thousands, of both fakes and genuine pieces before
you begin to catch on to the differences, and you have to know which is which when you
are inspecting them.
Best to stick with slabbed examples until you know for sure. You can always crack a coin
out if necessary.
to spot in these photos. A complete absence of fine mint-made die polishing lines and die cracks is often a bad sign.
roadrunner
<< <i>A complete absence of fine mint-made die polishing lines and die cracks is often a bad sign. >>
On the incused design, the die polish is normally found in the recesses around the design elements rather in the fields.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.