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To those better informed than me, do you believe PCGS/NGC would place this coin in a holder??

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The coin is an 1805 Half-Cent. The picture represents it well as far as color and detail. On the obverse there looks to be slight porosity, not corrosion as I see it, the reverse is OK and there are some faint rim bruisings as seen. Would PCGS put this in a holder and what grade would you give it?? Thanks in advance.

Al H.

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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    Nice cent... I've seen a lot worse in PCGS holders, but they were key dates. That porosity at 1:30-3:00 on the obverse might put it into a Gennie? Really attractive cent... it'd be a nice 7070 set coin!
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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think they will grade it
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin. Shame on them if they don't grade it.

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say no due to the porosity.
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  • ianrussellianrussell Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, it's likely to grade at PCGS imho.

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i grade it XF/AU, what does anyone else think??
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Playing imageadvocate why isn't it in a holder already?
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Maybe... I say 50/50 shot. Without seeing what everyone else wrote, I would say it has 45 details, probably silently net graded to a 40 (if it did in fact certify.)
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The coin is an 1805 Half-Cent. The picture represents it well as far as color and detail. On the obverse there looks to be slight porosity, not corrosion as I see it, the reverse is OK and there are some faint rim bruisings as seen. Would PCGS put this in a holder and what grade would you give it?? Thanks in advance.

    Al H.
    >>



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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lindedad, must every coin owned by every collector be in a TPG holder?? talk about Koolaid...........................
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Lindedad, must every coin owned by every collector be in a TPG holder?? talk about Koolaid........................... >>



    Not koolaid it just looks a little too nice too me. I am wondering if it been helped too much.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks to be XF45. If the minor porosity bothers them, they may net it down to XF40.

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i've had it for about two years, bought it at a show from a vest-pocket dealer i know who had it in a blue kraft envelope. it looked to me like it had been in the envelope for quite some time before he bought it, old style the way collectors used to keep stuff. nothing about it suggests to me that it's been cleaned and/or retoned but i am admittedly not the most informed collector when it comes to that stuff. absent the porosity the coin is quite clean with no verdigris which often accompanies a retoning. i purchased it at a time when i was actively assembling my Denomination Type Set and haven't had submission privileges since.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the picture, I'd predict a 53 holder.
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  • greatnortherncoingreatnortherncoin Posts: 412
    yes it should slab xf
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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The photo's a bit dark, and I'm no copper expert, but it looks like a gradeable XF/AU coin to me.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF45 details, genuine due to porosity. The porosity, which looks like it is due to corrosion after striking, is a problem and should preclude its being in a graded holder.
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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that it would grade.I guess 50.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is that wear in the hair, or is it just a flat strike? It's kind of difficult to tell from the images.
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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many coppers are kept raw or cracked after purchase. This is common among even high-end EAC collectors. I have maybe 300 early coppers and probably less than a dozen are in slabs. Same with bust halves. Barbers and Commems are the opposite.
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  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Looks good to me. I like it.
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I think it would be netted down to 45.
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, it will get into a problem-free holder. I like it. XF45.

    Here is a PCGS VG10 with far more issues.
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  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks to be XF45. If the minor porosity bothers them, they may net it down to XF40. >>

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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    I like it as a 50-53 range-and I see no reason why it wouldnt grade

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes. Hard to tell from the photos if it will end up in a 45 or 50 holder, IMO.
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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    It should grade,hell yes.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've sent in nicer pieces that they did not grade.

    If they are consistent this coin would not grade because it has had some corrosion lifted on the obverse. After the lifting was done, the surfaces were darkened to partially conceal the work. It was done very skillfully, and most EAC collectors would acknowledge the work, but still find the piece worthwhile. This is a nice example of an early copper piece that exhibits decent, but no perfect preservation.

    As for a grade I'd net it out at VF-30. The sharpness is EF, but it does have the porosity issue.

    BTW this 1800 half cent got a body bag when I tried to get it graded.

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