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llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
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I've noticed a lot of slabbed ASEs with wild toning... is this really natural?

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some are.
    The 2nd one you posted are is likely out of PCI holders where it likely went in blast white and toned due to the holder.
    The last one was likely in a similar holder or the cardboard ones that are used to give these as gifts.
    I've had some tone naturally but haven't quite seen the colors like on the 1st one you posted....

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  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have posted many times on this in the past and I'll restate . .

    The cardboard inserts in the "Snap-Fit" type holders will tone these (on the side facing up) if the holder is left open (unsnapped). Expose them on a windowsill and it just takes 3 months or so. I leave it up to you and the Board to determine AT/NT, etc. They are .999 silver so ANY sulphur (like in the SnapFit cardboard) will instantly tone them. They will of course tone in time even without the windowsill factor.

    The question is always, "Will PCGS slab them?"

    They did with 33 of mine around 2005. That has been the source of many of the wild high 3 and low 4 figure toners circulating around FUN/Long Beach/ANA/etc. for the last 6 years. I enjoy looking at them and comparing the cert numbers with the ones I submitted originally, and showing the current sellers that I originally sold them for $75 each . . . now listed at $800 (although usually unsold at that price).

    Since that time though, I have had none pass PCGS certification . . .

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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    I see them EVERYWHERE... all the above are in PCGS slabs. I see them in PCI, ANACS and NGC slabs; in Dansco albums, in lucite holders, etc. Most have the odd yellow/gold toning and some have the odd blue/purple toning. Why are the ASEs more susceptible to toning... odd toning, than other coins? Is it purely (no pun intended) the .999 vs .900? ...or did they use a rinse/coating that made them more conducive to toning (and accelerated toning at that)?
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have one standing on its edge sitting on my desk...and have for about a year now just to see what would happen to it. It is almost 100% toned over with a tan layer of tarnish. That's what I call it. Nothing pretty about it really...no crazy colors.
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    These are just some of the PCI holder ASE's


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    These are from PCI holders


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    These were from after market holders


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  • sebrownsebrown Posts: 424 ✭✭
    Very Nice indeed! I was actually wondering the same as I have about 30 or so PCI toned ASEs that I was curious if they would cross or not. By the TruViews displayed above, looks like they most likely will! image

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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are very similar to the Canadian coins too.
    These tone really wild and mostly from the original mint packaging,
    but they don't carry near the premium as the ASE's.

    Too bad because they are beautiful



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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the ASE's tone that way so quickly due to their purity, the Canadian Dollars tone that way due mainly to the packaging.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The sniffer will cure the problem.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm suspicious of modern bullion coins with fancy colors and I would not pay any premium for color on these coins.

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  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm suspicious of modern bullion coins with fancy colors and I would not pay any premium for color on these coins. >>

    You have to realize that the .999 silver coins tone much faster and much more dramatically than 90% coins. Don't compare the toning on a ASE to the toning of a Morgan dollar. That is comparing apples to oranges.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perry, it's OK to be suspicious and i can only agree about not paying premiums, but the truth is that they do in fact tone that way naturally and when they look attractive collectors pony-up the long dollar for them. i have two nice ASE's and quite a few Canadian Dollars that i paid based on melt at the time. i also have two Canadians that i paid more for that were already encapsulated. i would add that the coins posted by llafoe aren't anything i'd pay past melt for and all but a couple posted by coinsarefun are the same, worth only melt from my perspective.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As long as collectors are willing to pay a premium for colorfull ASE's there will be people that give their white ASE's some help in getting those colors.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buy the coin not the color. image Cheers, RickO
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It just blows my mind that we slab bullion in the first place.

    What next...
    Slabbing slabs?
    Stickering the slabbed slabs?

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    Here's the problem... err, I mean question: if it's because of the purity of the silver, why don't silver bars or silver rounds tone like ASEs? It's ASE specific, so there has to be an explanation why ASEs tone so quickly and differently than their peers?
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here's the problem... err, I mean question: if it's because of the purity of the silver, why don't silver bars or silver rounds tone like ASEs? It's ASE specific, so there has to be an explanation why ASEs tone so quickly and differently than their peers? >>



    The striking of a coin causes an effect on the suface,
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It just blows my mind that we slab bullion in the first place.

    What next...
    Slabbing slabs?
    Stickering the slabbed slabs? >>


    I'm with you...
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  • tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    I find a lot of toned ASEs in those hard plastic flip containers with the cardboard cutout. As well as PCI holders - which were white to begin with.
  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


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    That 2008 has started toning the backdrop! image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Am I the only one that thinks some of the toned ASE's shown here are unattractive?

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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<Am I the only one that thinks some of the toned ASE's shown here are unattractive? >>
    Some are unattractive some are attractive, all a matter of opinion.
    What you find appealing, may be unappealing to me, and visa versa.
    I'm cool with your opinion, and respect it. Like others have said, .999 silver tones
    easily, unlike 90% Morgans. I like wild PCI toners, they appeal to me, maybe not to you, it's all good Perry.

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    Not so wild PCI toner
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    Not the best looking, but bought on the cheap
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    Another ok piece, but has changed sinse the pic
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    Actually forgot about this one, that I placed in a standard white envelope about 8 months ago.
    This is the outcome, now resides in a Dansco. Started out white as can be, no intention of toning it.
    Not spectacular, but not ugly IMHO.

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  • DenverDaveDenverDave Posts: 2,164
    Love Them...

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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


    << <i>Love Them...

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  • DenverDaveDenverDave Posts: 2,164

    Shades at the Least..."-)

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