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Coincidence? I Think Not . . .

scotgrebscotgreb Posts: 809 ✭✭✭
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These Pro Star Promotions are pretty hard to find. I bot a bunch on ebay a while ago to get graded and they just popped.

They were not high grade by any stretch -- I expected grades between 4 and 6 -- possibly a 7 or two.

1 1 18473213 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS JUAN MARICHAL Card US
2 1 18473214 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS HANK AARON Card US
3 1 18473215 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS WILLIE MAYS Card US
4 1 18473216 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS ROBERTO CLEMENTE Card US
5 1 18473217 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS PETE ROSE Card US
6 1 18473218 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS WILLIE McCOVEY Card US
7 1 18473219 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS WILLIE STARGELL Card US
8 1 18473220 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS TOM SEAVER Card US
9 1 18473221 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1972 PRO STAR PROMOTIONS JOHNNY BENCH Card US

Maybe I should have led with the nicest one image
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  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bummer - hate it when they get on the "wrong groove".
    Mike
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  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭✭
    Do you have any pre grading scans we can look at?
  • scotgrebscotgreb Posts: 809 ✭✭✭
    Do you have any pre grading scans we can look at?

    Sorry, no scans -- and I suppose it's possible that they are all 4s -- but there was certainly some disparity in the condition of the cards.

    I just found it odd that 9/9 were graded PSA 4 -- I would challenge anyone to sub 9 vintage cards and have them all grade the same.

    It probably would make for an interesting contest -- Sub 10 pre-1975 cards (or whatever year deemed appropriate) -- and whoever gets the most to grade the same takes all. image
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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow Scott, I agree it would be almost impossible to repeat that again.

    What a shame, someone did not take the time or put forth the effort as they are paid to do.

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  • scotgrebscotgreb Posts: 809 ✭✭✭
    These are the scans . . . certainly harder to see now that they are slabbed. The only issues I see are with the corners.
    Each has 1,2 or 3 touched/dinged/worn corners -- nothing resembling rounding. The backs are blank.

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  • TheHunTheHun Posts: 1,690
    Wow - those are refreshing to look at - the non-Topps photos are great.

    Topps could also learn a thing or two about how to do an airbrush without it looking like a 1st grader with an eraser and finger paint ....

    Too bad PSA took your money to slab those ... image
  • fattymacsfattymacs Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭
    Wow, those are really nice. I have no clue how any of them are only a 4, sorry this happened to you.
  • slantycouchslantycouch Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭
    Those are really nice to see -- thanks for posting the scans.

    Look like nice "4's" too.
  • Mdube16Mdube16 Posts: 744 ✭✭
    I never say this, but I think Id question those grades with someone.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    The way you describe them they should be 6.5's


    Sorry.


    Steve
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  • Stadium1978Stadium1978 Posts: 173 ✭✭
    Thanks for posting these pics. The photo on the Marichal is particularly sweet.
  • italianstallionyankeesitalianstallionyankees Posts: 541
    Those are some sharp cards! Having all grade a psa 4 ... someone might need to review them again. That is too bad


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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    Even McCovey is mystified at these grades...



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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    LOL!!!! I would like to buy the McCovey if it is for sale!! That pose says it all!

    PS - I find that hard to believe they are all the same grade. The corners on some look better than others as well as the centering....I felt the exact same way when SGC graded my Mutoscopes. Could it be they are unfamiliar with the issue and took the easy way out?

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    There's an '8'.....not much difference?
  • SportsamericaSportsamerica Posts: 990 ✭✭
    Look at them at an angle... Are you sure there are no "spiders" on the card from cracking? I see this with '51 Red Backs as well, card looks like an 7/8 but there are some 'spiders" which drop the grade... That might be the case here as well.. (Note I am not familiar with these promos.)
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  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>Look at them at an angle... Are you sure there are no "spiders" on the card from cracking? I see this with '51 Red Backs as well, card looks like an 7/8 but there are some 'spiders" which drop the grade... That might be the case here as well.. (Note I am not familiar with these promos.) >>



    Good possibility. These didn't all drop to the same grade because of something like corners; these likely all got the same grade due to some surface issue that spans the whole lot. It's the most likely reason for cards that nice to drop that far IMO.
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  • DialjDialj Posts: 1,636 ✭✭
    Scott,

    Thanks for sharing the scans! Like stated below, unless there is something not plainly visible, it seems odd that all of them would grade a 4. It does seem to me that PSA is a little harder on grading the odd ball cards over the regular issue cards. JMO
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  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    The cards look like they were once held in place with photo corners and left marks or impressions and probably the reason for the rubber stamping grade of 4.
  • tod41tod41 Posts: 96 ✭✭✭
    Very often the back of these cards will have staining, yellowing or tape and glue marks which would affect the grade. Love these cards.
  • rbdjr1rbdjr1 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭

    ... from fee-bay now!

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    Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968

    Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
  • rbdjr1rbdjr1 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭

    Unless there are some other issues (surface, reverse, etc.) that I don't see, here's what a PSA 4 should look like:
    ... (as far as I'm concerned, yours are much better for sure!)

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    Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968

    Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
  • jwilson6204jwilson6204 Posts: 99


    << <i>These are the scans . . . certainly harder to see now that they are slabbed. The only issues I see are with the corners.
    Each has 1,2 or 3 touched/dinged/worn corners -- nothing resembling rounding. The backs are blank.

    Don't have them in hand with a loop, but it's just hard to find a reason these are 4's. Hopefully a resub will find someone having a better day! great looking cards regardless.
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭
    love the Clemente...


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