would I have better luck cracking this out?

rxer · February 25, 2011 12:43PM

Would love to get this in a PCGS holder for my registry set- sent it in for a
cross over - with a minimum grade of red unc . only - was sent back
for questionable color probably because their hands were tied not being
able to remove it from it's holder- thoughts on cracking it and sending it in raw.
I can't argue with the 62 - were notorius for soft strikes and the carbon spot on
reverse doesn't help

Raybo · February 25, 2011 12:46PM

This is why I like my copper..............BROWN!

rxer · February 25, 2011 12:51PM

this will be brown someday - just hope I'm not around to see it

llafoe · February 25, 2011 12:52PM

IMO - RB or Genuine - Artificial Color.

Tdec1000 · February 25, 2011 12:54PM

<< IMO - RB or Genuine - Artificial Color. >>

Which is it? RB or AT?

Pick a side!!

morgandollar1878 · February 25, 2011 1:08PM

I would not crack it out. I might try it a couple times in the holder and if still no sucess then sell it and find another one already in a PCGS holder. If you crack it and it comes back genuine, you're screwed.

Edited to add: The color does kind of look funny to me, but maybe it's the pic.

rxer · February 25, 2011 1:13PM

with only 21 graded red already in a PCGS holder and probably
some of those were resummitted ---- it could be quite a
while before I see another one

darktone · February 25, 2011 1:16PM

Looks NCS'ed to me.

llafoe · February 25, 2011 1:17PM

<< 

<< IMO - RB or Genuine - Artificial Color. >>

Which is it? RB or AT?

Pick a side!! >>

Definitely RB... the color looks artificial, but it may be the photo... if it's not the photo, then AT - Is that better?

magikbilly · February 25, 2011 1:28PM

Hi,

I am with Darktone I think. In any event - the color as shown in the posted images seems a little worrisome.

Best,
Eric

Edited to add - there seems a tiny touch of "that pink" in that red as shown.

roadrunner · February 25, 2011 1:30PM

Unless you know better than PCGS I'd leave it be. It's not like they can't see the edge or are trying to make a determination of grade by potentially hidden marks or hairlines. One would think that their opinion on color (or AT/NT) would not change much if it were cracked out.

roadrunner

numobri · February 25, 2011 1:56PM

Keep it as is. If you make a little,Cool, if you loose a little, move on.

Brian

GrumpyEd · February 25, 2011 2:00PM

Don't crack it unless you're willing to risk a gennie for the possibility of getting it in a RB PCGS slab.

Elcontador · February 25, 2011 2:01PM

The color on the image looks fine to be, but I don't like that eye-catching carbon or PVC spot on the reverse. I think the coin was net graded because of it. I would not crack out any RD copper and send it to PCGS under any circumstances.

lkeigwin · February 25, 2011 2:15PM

Keep it an enjoy it.

If it must be in PCGS plastic then sell it and look further.

DO NOT crack it out. You will likely end up with a genuine and regret it.

FWIW, the spot on the reverse is trivial and doesn't bother me a bit, any more than the smaller one on the obverse at 12:30. But the color, if correct, is worrisome.
Lance.

19Lyds · February 25, 2011 4:46PM

<< Don't crack it unless you're willing to risk a gennie for the possibility of getting it in a RB PCGS slab.

>>

Or even a Details upon resubmission to NGC.

PerryHall · February 25, 2011 9:35PM

As has been said many times here, if you want a coin in a certain brand of slab, buy it that brand of slab and don't play the cross over game---save yourself the expense and grief.

kurtdog · February 25, 2011 11:33PM

<< Would love to get this in a PCGS holder for my registry set >>

I'd leave it right where it's at. It's nicely-struck and very tradable at that grade. Sell it and get another one, if that's your goal.

Sonorandesertrat · February 26, 2011 12:09AM

I agree with many of the posted comments. Don't waste money trying to cross that coin at grade. The 62 grade did not result from the reverse spot alone, and the strike is fine.
My guess is the the luster isn't all there (especially regarding the obverse). Based on what I see on my monitor, the coin may have been recolored.

coinguy1 · February 26, 2011 12:20AM

I think the coin looks OK for the grade and the color designation. Generally speaking, Braided Hair coinage is not held to quite the same standards as more modern coinage, for purposes of receiving the"RD" designation.

Either way, I bet if the coin were in a PCGS holder, posters wouldn't be questioning it the way they are now.

kurtdog · February 26, 2011 12:26AM

<< Either way, I bet if the coin were in a PCGS holder, posters wouldn't be questioning it the way they are now. >>

I wouldn't bet against you on that.

rxer · February 26, 2011 12:27AM

The reason I ask is I also have the 51, 55 and 57 all in PCGS holders all red and the look nearly identical
to the 54 . there is more luster to the 54 than shows in the picture, but based on your comments
I think I will keep it where it is and continue to search. I have a 54 in ms-64 red brown PCGS and
that strike is not as defined as the MS-62 from NGC- thanks for the comments

IrishMikey · February 26, 2011 9:27AM

I like both the grade and the color designation. You might want to try it again in a few months.
If the coin comes back with the same comment, just accept that the fates are against you. In
200 years the coin probably will be RB at best, so enjoy it while you can.

rxer · October 27, 2011 11:18AM

update - spent many a night comparing this coin to my other red - braided hair half cents - and took the plunge ( and the metal cutters) to its NGC prison and sent it in to PCGS - just was notified of the results *****MS-63 RED in a secure plus holder - Yes, I know the red is no longer a guarantee , but if it hasn't had any recent changes ( eg. cleaning) and the PCSG sniffer didn't detect a problem - then the red color will probably out last me.

golden · October 27, 2011 12:15PM

Great cross. Congrats.

Bochiman · October 27, 2011 12:16PM

<< Keep it an enjoy it.

If it must be in PCGS plastic then sell it and look further.

DO NOT crack it out. You will likely end up with a genuine and regret it.

FWIW, the spot on the reverse is trivial and doesn't bother me a bit, any more than the smaller one on the obverse at 12:30. But the color, if correct, is worrisome.
Lance. >>

Exactly what Lance said above. If you want/need it in PCGS plastic, then get one that you like already in PCGS plastic and sell that.

coindeuce · October 27, 2011 2:38PM

<< 

<< Keep it an enjoy it.

If it must be in PCGS plastic then sell it and look further.

DO NOT crack it out. You will likely end up with a genuine and regret it.

FWIW, the spot on the reverse is trivial and doesn't bother me a bit, any more than the smaller one on the obverse at 12:30. But the color, if correct, is worrisome.
Lance. >>

Exactly what Lance said above. If you want/need it in PCGS plastic, then get one that you like already in PCGS plastic and sell that. >>

...Must have missed the OP's update.

It went in raw to our host, and not only got a RED designation, but it UPGRADED! As Charley Sheen said: "WINNER!"

Justacommeman · October 27, 2011 2:54PM

WTG rxer! LOVE it and well played. Sticking to ones guns is becoming a lost art form. MJ

lordmarcovan · October 27, 2011 3:02PM

You rolled the dice... and won. Congrats!

I never would've taken the chance you just did, but was gonna say the red looked OK to me. I've seen other 1850s RD coins in both PCGS and NGC plastic that had that color.

jayPem · October 27, 2011 3:10PM

As an added bonus, you managed to get Coinguy1 back on page one !

clackamas · October 27, 2011 4:23PM

Nice upgrade, I personally would not have done it. That takes stones or knowledge. If that was a Lincoln, even a 14-D or 26-S I could make the call.

would I have better luck cracking this out?

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