I placed a bid for you on the Yogi. At least this will wrap that card up so it doesn't sell. (Yes this takes the BIN option away) I have zero intention of paying the seller a dime.
No intentions of contacting the seller, just gonna make sure he doesn't successfully sell any more of your cards on said eBay account.
Ah hell didn't see your most recent update. Nothing gained or lost by me bidding on the Berra to takeaway the BIN.
<< <i>I placed a bid for you on the Yogi. At least this will wrap that card up so it doesn't sell. (Yes this takes the BIN option away) I have zero intention of paying the seller a dime.
No intentions of contacting the seller, just gonna make sure he doesn't successfully sell any more of your cards on said eBay account.
Ah hell didn't see your most recent update. Nothing gained or lost by me bidding on the Berra to takeaway the BIN. >>
Don't worry about it, I would rather have you take away the BIN then have some poor buyer get screwed. Thanks.
Also. A huge shout out to KbKards for the amazing links!!!
It's a shame to see that the pitchforks came out from a handful of folks when a member tried to help. Looks like Bobby's efforts were for the better, so hopefully the folks who were quick to pass judgement are just as quick to come back and apologize for the things they said.
Before meddling with someones police investigation, one with common sense would typically ASK before trying to get involved, possibly creating more harm.
<< <i>Before meddling with someones police investigation, one with common sense would typically ASK before trying to get involved, possibly creating more harm.
Someone obviously lacks common sense! >>
If I read the thread correctly, there was no police involvement at the time of Bobby's assistance.
<< <i>It's a shame to see that the pitchforks came out from a handful of folks when a member tried to help. Looks like Bobby's efforts were for the better, so hopefully the folks who were quick to pass judgement are just as quick to come back and apologize for the things they said. >>
he got very lucky it worked out the way it did. And he knows it. Very lucky
<< <i>I'm glad to hear what Bobby did ended up not being hurtful to the case and was able to get back in touch with the buyer before the paypal claim started and the seller was alerted >>
Sometimes good things can come from taking the wrong path.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Before meddling with someones police investigation, one with common sense would typically ASK before trying to get involved, possibly creating more harm.
Someone obviously lacks common sense! >>
If I read the thread correctly, there was no police involvement at the time of Bobby's assistance.
Someone obviously lacks reading skills! >>
it was pretty obvious that it was imminent once the cards were found
Apparently the pitchforks aren't going anywhere as some people lack couth. I am just glad I was able to help someone out, as I would want someone to help me out if the situation was reversed. I am going to start posting less and less on this board, because some people just don't know when to quit....they seem to thrive on drama! Anyway, I am so glad we had a break in this development. I have a hunch this story may turn out alright after all.....
I don't think an apology is necessary in the least. It "worked out" by good fortune. The police would have been able to obtain the same information without the risk of alerting the ne'r-do-well. As I said, his intentions weren't bad, but the meddling was ignorant.
I could step in front of a bullet for the president, and some of you could say, "why did he push the president down? He caused him to sprain his ankle?".......give me a freaking break!
<< <i>Apparently the pitchforks aren't going anywhere as some people lack couth. I am just glad I was able to help someone out, as I would want someone to help me out if the situation was reversed. I am going to start posting less and less on this board, because some people just don't know when to quit....they seem to thrive on drama! Anyway, I am so glad we had a break in this development. I have a hunch this story may turn out alright after all..... >>
Even in hindsight, with everything working out to this point, do you believe it was right to contact the buyer? I'm not asking for drama or trying to get people to pile on... Honestly curious.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
What's new around here, though? There's constantly meddling going on. Why the sudden need to crucify someone in this instance? It sounds like the "meddling" helped here.
<< <i>Hi everyone, Thank you all for your help and suggestions, I think this may be an open and shut case. I would like to give a big thank you to bobbyw8469 he was able to give me a name, number and partial address of the thief. >>
So now you are CERTAIN that the seller is the thief and not someone who purchased the cards (not knowing they were hot)?
I've never had a cross word with you; in fact, I've defended you in the past. That doesn't change the fact that the gossip game on this forum is rampant. I rarely involve myself in these kinds of threads subsequently.
However, there are actions that should be avoided by future good Samaritans when approached with this situation in the future; namely, only involving one's self in a legal matter IF the victim agrees to it first...and then, slopes slopes must be tread lightly.
I'm not one to hold grudges or care much if a grudge is held against me, so I hope this can be put to rest by agreeing to disagree. Either way, you had no malicious intent, and I don't think you were aiming to "mess up."
<< <i>Hi everyone, Thank you all for your help and suggestions, I think this may be an open and shut case. I would like to give a big thank you to bobbyw8469 he was able to give me a name, number and partial address of the thief. >>
So now you are CERTAIN that the seller is the thief and not someone who purchased the cards (not knowing they were hot)? >>
<< <i>If the OP didnt want any "meddling" he shouldnt have created the thread ... >>
I'd normally agree with this sentiment, but this wasn't a "my card was damaged in the mail, what do I do?" thread. This was a seriously legal issue that he desired serious advice on.
Bobby did nothing wrong.... at the point when he wrote the buyer there was no police involvement...
He was just trying to get contact info before the seller runs and hides. If the seller is even the thief??
Just hope he (seller) doesnt use his brain and crack the cards out of the holders, then you will have trouble proving they are the same exact cards.
Personally I would have hit the Buy it Now on 1 card and got the payment info (PayPal, email, address, name, etc.), before its too late, but if you got the cops involved they have their ways of finding this stuff out.
Good luck, nice to hear about (soon to be?) recovered stolen items.
<< <i>Personally I would have hit the Buy it Now on 1 card and got the payment info (PayPal, email, address, name, etc.), before its too late, but if you got the cops involved they have their ways of finding this stuff out. >>
I did hit the BIN on one of the cards, but I was not sure how to get his address. Ebay does a good job at hiding that sort of thing....can you tell me how to get the payment info?
<< <i>It's a shame to see that the pitchforks came out from a handful of folks when a member tried to help. Looks like Bobby's efforts were for the better, so hopefully the folks who were quick to pass judgement are just as quick to come back and apologize for the things they said. >>
No apology forthcoming here. I have no history with Bobby, so anyone who dismisses this as some old issue is off-base. This is all about how this went down, and how it could have gone down.
Put aside the results, put aside the best intentions, and what you have is laid bare - someone without training or knowledge of the proper police procedure unilaterally interjected himself into this, thereby potentially 1. alerting the seller directly 2. alerting the seller via a buyer claim and 3. possibly giving the police a harder row to hoe. If the buyer had simply jumped on it and filed a dispute, as a great many buyers would likely do, this whole thing would have blown up. The OP got lucky BIG TIME that this didn't happen, pure and simple.
Yes, Bobby ended up providing info to the OP, but this is info the police could have EASILY collected themselves. AND, after someone called him out and HE AGREED that he shouldn't have gotten involved, he got involved AGAIN by posting a partial address here. We had people placing bids, etc. without knowing if this would help or hurt the OP. I have no idea if it WOULD help or hurt, which is why I would never jump in without the OP's consent first. It is both common sense and common courtesy, IMO.
Legal proceedings are tricky beasts, and it's amazing what can screw them up irreparably. I hope that if I ever find myself in need of board help, it will be limited to advice and not action. I don't want to have to get lucky that nothing gets messed up; I want to make sure nothing does.
I'm glad it appears to be working out, but I caution that those who are saying they are glad it DID work out are jumping the gun. Of course, jumping the gun is sort of the theme of this thread, isn't it?
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Whatever poor sport.....I was just trying to help the OP. I would want someone to do the same for me. The OP has thanked me already and that is enough for me. Some of you guys seem to have ulterior agendas in your hate and propaganda
<< <i> He was just trying to get contact info before the seller runs and hides. If the seller is even the thief?? >>
Why would the seller run and hide unless he was alerted by someone? Like a buyer demanding a refund on merch he found was stolen?
<< <i>Just hope he (seller) doesnt use his brain and crack the cards out of the holders, then you will have trouble proving they are the same exact cards. >>
I assume the auction photos would preclude that, but if he got wind of the investigation all bets are off.
<< <i>Personally I would have hit the Buy it Now on 1 card and got the payment info (PayPal, email, address, name, etc.), before its too late, but if you got the cops involved they have their ways of finding this stuff out. >>
Yes, the cops can find all this out. There is ZERO value that I can see to buying or bidding on his auctions.
<< <i>Good luck, nice to hear about (soon to be?) recovered stolen items. >>
I concur completely. Best of luck to the OP.
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<< <i>I would like to give a big thank you to bobbyw8469 he was able to give me a name, number and partial address of the thief. Also, the buyer of the Spahn card contacted me (thanks to bobbyw8469) and he was very apologetic and we are working together to get this sorted out. >>
Thank you JHS! That means alot to me! I am glad I was able to help you out!
<< <i>Whatever poor sport.....I was just trying to help the OP. I would want someone to do the same for me. The OP has thanked me already and that is enough for me. Some of you guys seem to have ulterior agendas in your hate and propaganda >>
Get a clue, Dude. I'm glad the OP thanked you, and I'd glad it's working out, but you got VERY lucky that the buyer didn't react right away - plain and simple. I'm willing to bet a great many buyers would have pulled the trigger quickly.
BTW, we have ZERO history, so what sort of ulterior agenda do I have? What sort of hate and propaganda am I selling? Seriously, the only message I'm trying to convey is the dangers of these sort of "DYI" detective stories, nothing more.
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I won't hesitate to make a police report in the future. Thanks for the valuable life lesson...
I have zero intention of paying the seller a dime.
No intentions of contacting the seller, just gonna make sure he doesn't successfully sell any more of your cards on said eBay account.
Ah hell didn't see your most recent update. Nothing gained or lost by me bidding on the Berra to takeaway the BIN.
<< <i>I placed a bid for you on the Yogi. At least this will wrap that card up so it doesn't sell. (Yes this takes the BIN option away)
I have zero intention of paying the seller a dime.
No intentions of contacting the seller, just gonna make sure he doesn't successfully sell any more of your cards on said eBay account.
Ah hell didn't see your most recent update. Nothing gained or lost by me bidding on the Berra to takeaway the BIN. >>
Don't worry about it, I would rather have you take away the BIN then have some poor buyer get screwed. Thanks.
Also. A huge shout out to KbKards for the amazing links!!!
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
Since this is a public forum, a simple google search could bring him here
and don't everybody go put the card on your watch list which could make him think something's up when he all of a sudden has a hundred watchers LOL
Someone obviously lacks common sense!
<< <i>Before meddling with someones police investigation, one with common sense would typically ASK before trying to get involved, possibly creating more harm.
Someone obviously lacks common sense! >>
If I read the thread correctly, there was no police involvement at the time of Bobby's assistance.
Someone obviously lacks reading skills!
<< <i>It's a shame to see that the pitchforks came out from a handful of folks when a member tried to help. Looks like Bobby's efforts were for the better, so hopefully the folks who were quick to pass judgement are just as quick to come back and apologize for the things they said. >>
he got very lucky it worked out the way it did. And he knows it. Very lucky
<< <i>I'm glad to hear what Bobby did ended up not being hurtful to the case and was able to get back in touch with the buyer before the paypal claim started and the seller was alerted >>
Sometimes good things can come from taking the wrong path.
<< <i>
<< <i>Before meddling with someones police investigation, one with common sense would typically ASK before trying to get involved, possibly creating more harm.
Someone obviously lacks common sense! >>
If I read the thread correctly, there was no police involvement at the time of Bobby's assistance.
Someone obviously lacks reading skills! >>
it was pretty obvious that it was imminent once the cards were found
<< <i>Bobby, I hope you are a man of your word and post less on this board as well as Net54! >>
You need to grow up. You think all this drama is cute, but not everyone appreciates it.
<< <i>Apparently the pitchforks aren't going anywhere as some people lack couth. I am just glad I was able to help someone out, as I would want someone to help me out if the situation was reversed. I am going to start posting less and less on this board, because some people just don't know when to quit....they seem to thrive on drama! Anyway, I am so glad we had a break in this development. I have a hunch this story may turn out alright after all..... >>
Even in hindsight, with everything working out to this point, do you believe it was right to contact the buyer? I'm not asking for drama or trying to get people to pile on... Honestly curious.
<< <i>but the meddling was ignorant. >>
What's new around here, though? There's constantly meddling going on. Why the sudden need to crucify someone in this instance? It sounds like the "meddling" helped here.
Tough crowd, apparently.
I'm saying this in a sincere way. It was not your business to notify anyone.
It's simple, take it for what it is.
What you should have done was PM the OP with advice.
Luckily you did not throw a monkey wrench into this situation.
I'm glad it appears everything will work out.
Steve
<< <i>Hi everyone,
Thank you all for your help and suggestions, I think this may be an open and shut case. I would like to give a big thank you to bobbyw8469 he was able to give me a name, number and partial address of the thief. >>
So now you are CERTAIN that the seller is the thief and not someone who purchased the cards (not knowing they were hot)?
I've never had a cross word with you; in fact, I've defended you in the past. That doesn't change the fact that the gossip game on this forum is rampant. I rarely involve myself in these kinds of threads subsequently.
However, there are actions that should be avoided by future good Samaritans when approached with this situation in the future; namely, only involving one's self in a legal matter IF the victim agrees to it first...and then, slopes slopes must be tread lightly.
I'm not one to hold grudges or care much if a grudge is held against me, so I hope this can be put to rest by agreeing to disagree. Either way, you had no malicious intent, and I don't think you were aiming to "mess up."
<< <i>
<< <i>Hi everyone,
Thank you all for your help and suggestions, I think this may be an open and shut case. I would like to give a big thank you to bobbyw8469 he was able to give me a name, number and partial address of the thief. >>
So now you are CERTAIN that the seller is the thief and not someone who purchased the cards (not knowing they were hot)? >>
Yes. I am.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
I see nothing wrong with Bobby trying to help...
too many here have a bias with the past...
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<< <i>If the OP didnt want any "meddling" he shouldnt have created the thread ... >>
I'd normally agree with this sentiment, but this wasn't a "my card was damaged in the mail, what do I do?" thread. This was a seriously legal issue that he desired serious advice on.
You're welcome.
He was just trying to get contact info before the seller runs and hides. If the seller is even the thief??
Just hope he (seller) doesnt use his brain and crack the cards out of the holders, then you will have trouble proving they are the same exact cards.
Personally I would have hit the Buy it Now on 1 card and got the payment info (PayPal, email, address, name, etc.), before its too late, but if you got the cops involved they have their ways of finding this stuff out.
Good luck, nice to hear about (soon to be?) recovered stolen items.
The important thing is he's on the right track to get his cards back.
<< <i>Personally I would have hit the Buy it Now on 1 card and got the payment info (PayPal, email, address, name, etc.), before its too late, but if you got the cops involved they have their ways of finding this stuff out. >>
I did hit the BIN on one of the cards, but I was not sure how to get his address. Ebay does a good job at hiding that sort of thing....can you tell me how to get the payment info?
Do everything but actually pay I think.
Or, email him and ask if you could send a MO?
I'm sure there is a way thru ebay but I have no idea.
I generally see who I'm paying when I go to pay.
<< <i>Or, email him and ask if you could send a MO? >>
He said "NO" to the money order....I was hoping I could get his addy that way....
<< <i>Bobby, you're a regular vigilante, no? >>
I watched one too many Charles Bronson movies growing up.....he was my fave......
<< <i>
<< <i>Bobby, you're a regular vigilante, no? >>
I watched one too many Charles Bronson movies growing up.....he was my fave...... >>
I agree. I don't have friends, I have thousands of acquaintances. No friends. I figured I had a wife and children
<< <i>I agree. I don't have friends, I have thousands of acquaintances. No friends. I figured I had a wife and children >>
I wouldn't agree with Charles Bronson not having any friends. I know if you crossed his path, you got ****** up!
<< <i>It's a shame to see that the pitchforks came out from a handful of folks when a member tried to help. Looks like Bobby's efforts were for the better, so hopefully the folks who were quick to pass judgement are just as quick to come back and apologize for the things they said. >>
No apology forthcoming here. I have no history with Bobby, so anyone who dismisses this as some old issue is off-base. This is all about how this went down, and how it could have gone down.
Put aside the results, put aside the best intentions, and what you have is laid bare - someone without training or knowledge of the proper police procedure unilaterally interjected himself into this, thereby potentially 1. alerting the seller directly 2. alerting the seller via a buyer claim and 3. possibly giving the police a harder row to hoe. If the buyer had simply jumped on it and filed a dispute, as a great many buyers would likely do, this whole thing would have blown up. The OP got lucky BIG TIME that this didn't happen, pure and simple.
Yes, Bobby ended up providing info to the OP, but this is info the police could have EASILY collected themselves. AND, after someone called him out and HE AGREED that he shouldn't have gotten involved, he got involved AGAIN by posting a partial address here. We had people placing bids, etc. without knowing if this would help or hurt the OP. I have no idea if it WOULD help or hurt, which is why I would never jump in without the OP's consent first. It is both common sense and common courtesy, IMO.
Legal proceedings are tricky beasts, and it's amazing what can screw them up irreparably. I hope that if I ever find myself in need of board help, it will be limited to advice and not action. I don't want to have to get lucky that nothing gets messed up; I want to make sure nothing does.
I'm glad it appears to be working out, but I caution that those who are saying they are glad it DID work out are jumping the gun. Of course, jumping the gun is sort of the theme of this thread, isn't it?
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<< <i>Bobby did nothing wrong.... >>
Guess again...
<< <i> He was just trying to get contact info before the seller runs and hides. If the seller is even the thief?? >>
Why would the seller run and hide unless he was alerted by someone? Like a buyer demanding a refund on merch he found was stolen?
<< <i>Just hope he (seller) doesnt use his brain and crack the cards out of the holders, then you will have trouble proving they are the same exact cards. >>
I assume the auction photos would preclude that, but if he got wind of the investigation all bets are off.
<< <i>Personally I would have hit the Buy it Now on 1 card and got the payment info (PayPal, email, address, name, etc.), before its too late, but if you got the cops involved they have their ways of finding this stuff out. >>
Yes, the cops can find all this out. There is ZERO value that I can see to buying or bidding on his auctions.
<< <i>Good luck, nice to hear about (soon to be?) recovered stolen items. >>
I concur completely. Best of luck to the OP.
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<< <i>I would like to give a big thank you to bobbyw8469 he was able to give me a name, number and partial address of the thief. Also, the buyer of the Spahn card contacted me (thanks to bobbyw8469) and he was very apologetic and we are working together to get this sorted out. >>
Thank you JHS! That means alot to me! I am glad I was able to help you out!
<< <i>Whatever poor sport.....I was just trying to help the OP. I would want someone to do the same for me. The OP has thanked me already and that is enough for me. Some of you guys seem to have ulterior agendas in your hate and propaganda >>
Get a clue, Dude. I'm glad the OP thanked you, and I'd glad it's working out, but you got VERY lucky that the buyer didn't react right away - plain and simple. I'm willing to bet a great many buyers would have pulled the trigger quickly.
BTW, we have ZERO history, so what sort of ulterior agenda do I have? What sort of hate and propaganda am I selling? Seriously, the only message I'm trying to convey is the dangers of these sort of "DYI" detective stories, nothing more.
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