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John Wayne film "Rio Grande" with 1880's Cavalry and Peace Dollars

WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 13, 2024 5:01PM in U.S. Coin Forum
These pictures are from the 1950 Republic Pictures film "Rio Grande", directed by John Ford, which stars John Wayne as a US Army Cavalry officer commanding an outpost in the 1880's American Southwest.
Maureen O'Hara plays his wife, who has not lived with him for a long time.
She comes out west to visit their son who has enlisted in the Cavalry.
Their breakup occured during the Civil War when John, a Union officer, burned down Southerner Maureen's family plantation.

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Maureen throws some silver coins on the table as "change"
They include some Peace dollars and Walking Liberty half dollars.
The Peace dollar was made from 1921 to 1935, the Liberty half from 1916 to 1947.

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John Wayne hands Maureen O'Hara a Confederate 10 dollar bill

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that's pretty cool, thanks for sharing!
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Modern crap!


  • << <i>Modern crap! >>

    Yeah! The least they could do is use authentic money! image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm surprised they used real, if inappropriate, coins. Back then the Treasury was utterly paranoid about images of money.

    Watch the movie "Run Silent, Run Deep," a great submarine movie set during WW2. In one scene at a bar in Hawaii a sailor throws a dollar bill on the bar, reverse up. It has IN GOD WE TRUST on it, not added until 1957.

    However, it could have been a Series 1935 note, so some prop man probably thought it was made in 1935.

    TD
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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I should probably point out that the Peace dollar was immediately obvious when I watched
    the DVD and it would have stood out even more on a theatre screen.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the George C. Scott version of "A Christmas Carol/Scrooge," there is a scene where the young Scrooge is rejected by his sweetheart because of his love of money. She tosses a gold sovereign on a scale, and it is a George V obverse. The scene is set circa 1820.
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  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    Cool stuff !!! There is a scene in Ben Hur where one of the extra's is wearing a watch :-)
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  • Was it a "Romex"?
    How 'bout them DAWGs!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,818 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Was it a "Romex"? >>



    No, but the face did have Roman Numerals.......

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  • << <i>I'm surprised they used real, if inappropriate, coins. Back then the Treasury was utterly paranoid about images of money.
    >>



    I know you could not print images of paper money, but did they care about coins?
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the standard work on movie prop paper money and coins.
    Fred and I used to work together at Coin World.

    linky

    TD

    Oops...let me try again

    Try this:

    second linky
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  • toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    I believe these are called " continuity errors" and there is a whole gang just like us that watch, record and discuss them.
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  • <<Watch the movie "Run Silent, Run Deep," a great submarine movie set during WW2. In one scene at a bar in Hawaii a sailor throws a dollar bill on the bar, reverse up. It has IN GOD WE TRUST on it, not added until 1957.

    However, it could have been a Series 1935 note, so some prop man probably thought it was made in 1935.>>


    The movie was 1958. Series 1935 did not have IN GOD WE TRUST on it until at least 1961.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Then there is the ever-popular made for TV movie "Who's Minding The Mint," in which a BEP employee breaks back in at night to print some $100 bills to replace some notes he accidentally put down the garbage disposal. I guess "Who's Minding The Bureau Of Engraving And Printing" wasn't alliterative enough........
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe these are called " continuity errors" and there is a whole gang just like us that watch, record and discuss them. >>



    Indeed there are.

    But of course few such sites have a numismatic bent. That's what I like about WB2's web page about coins in movies.

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe these are called " continuity errors" and there is a whole gang just like us that watch, record and discuss them. >>



    Isn't a continuity error really an error relative to the plot rather than the setting? I'd call these anachronisms. --Jerry
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,850 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Modern crap! >>

    Yeah! The least they could do is use authentic money! image >>



    Yea, it's no like I would have been THAT hard to get some Morgan dollars from the 1880s in 1950. In those days you could go the bank and exchange you paper dollars for old silver dollars. I did it in the early 1960s when I was a young collector.
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  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a mighty fine gesture for you to remember one of my early films - "Pilgram". I would just like to state for the record that I told director Ford at the time of shooting and again upon editing that he should of used coinage appropriate to the era. I said to him "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid. Next time we need to get this right for the folks." Mr. Ford replied that he was sorry, and I replied "Never say sorry - it's a sign of weakness."
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  • <<Yea, it's no like I would have been THAT hard to get some Morgan dollars from the 1880s in 1950. In those days you could go the bank and exchange you paper dollars for old silver dollars. I did it in the early 1960s when I was a young collector.>>

    I remember those days. Practically all you got were Morgans. We would go through thousands of dollars, month after month and every one was a Morgan. Only early in the year could you get Peace dollars. That sounds strange, but it it is logical. In the 1950's you could follow the amount of silver dollars outstanding in the Treasury statements. There was a big jump in circulation in December (Christmas gifts) and a net return early in the year. There was another smaller bump up for Easter.

    By the 1960's there was always an increase every month. But you could see it was larger for December and and less in January. There were still some banks returning silver dollars to the Fed in January. That was where our few Peace dollars were coming from.

    There were many Peace dollars in circulation in the 1950's.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,818 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I believe these are called " continuity errors" and there is a whole gang just like us that watch, record and discuss them. >>



    Isn't a continuity error really an error relative to the plot rather than the setting? I'd call these anachronisms. --Jerry >>



    I think the term "continuity error" has more to do with details. Quite often they will shoot a scene several times, then edit together the best shots of each line or group of lines.

    Let's say it is a restaurant scene, and there is a glass of wine on the table. In one shot it might be full, then half full, then full again, or in the other hand or on the wrong side of the table. If the actor is smoking a cigarette, it can get longer instead of shorter.

    The extras in the background might switch places, or even be different people. Clothing varies.

    The really good studios hired a continuity specialist whose job it was to catch these things. Some used a polaroid camera to shoot the scene just before the director said action, and when the set up the next shoot checked the picture.
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