I don't know but this is the type of coin that I would only buy after expert authentication. It could be a real metal detector find (looks badly corroded) or a poorly cast replica/counterfeit.
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100% feedback 100% "money back" guarantee seller says it's authentic - you "have" to trust 100% FB sellers as they have "never" messed up it once belonged to Grandpa (who never bought a fake in his life!) he's sure it's made of silver (though never analyzed) he's sure it's been bitten once or twice (he probably did it himself) he's sure it's a better grade than a "good"
the bad:
he says he knows nothing about these except what he's read in books coin has never been professionally certified per his guesstimate (why?) coin "weights" 65 grains he "measured" it at > 1 inch with a ruler (1/16th div)
the ugly:
the coin itself the sophisticated authentication techniques used (biting, weighting, rulering, grandpa's ownership)
It appears to be either a Noe-1 large planchet Pine Tree Shilling or a copy patterned after Noe-1. It looks like a cast copy to me, but who knows? Given that all you have is pictures, I won't want to have anything to do with it.
Since both of the major certification services are slabbing problem coins with notations as to what is wrong with them, there is no reason not to get this certified. If it's genuine, it's worth a lot more than the current bid.
Here is are pictures of a certified Noe-1 Pine Tree Shilling.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Somehow, these three statements combined don't make any sense:
"You can find copy's for sale here on Ebay but you don't see many of the Real Coins like this for sale!! Here's your chance to get an Authentic New England Pine Tree Shilling here on Ebay."
"This coin has never been Professionaly Graded as far as I know."
"It's the only coin like this I've ever saw in person."
So, with those three statements from the auction, how does the seller know that is genuine?
For this auction, my recommendation is: "Just say Noe"
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>diameter too small for a large planchet - should be 27-31 mm >>
What if it were real and heavily clipped as was the practice back then?
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It's a fake and I'll guarantee it!! No way, and I agree the numbers are all wrong along with some other red flags. You would be a fool to buy this coin at any price....Just my opinion....
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<< <i>diameter too small for a large planchet - should be 27-31 mm >>
What if it were real and heavily clipped as was the practice back then? >>
If it had been clipped more of the lettering would be missing. I believe that the piece I posted has been clipped. From what I have read in the more advanced literature, this variety was struck on something other than an almost round planchet.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>One of the (slightly) better replicas. >>
Yep. Either the seller is uninformed, or it's a scam. Bidding activity so far looks pretty funky, too.
The good:
100% feedback
100% "money back" guarantee
seller says it's authentic - you "have" to trust 100% FB sellers as they have "never" messed up
it once belonged to Grandpa (who never bought a fake in his life!)
he's sure it's made of silver (though never analyzed)
he's sure it's been bitten once or twice (he probably did it himself)
he's sure it's a better grade than a "good"
the bad:
he says he knows nothing about these except what he's read in books
coin has never been professionally certified per his guesstimate (why?)
coin "weights" 65 grains
he "measured" it at > 1 inch with a ruler (1/16th div)
the ugly:
the coin itself
the sophisticated authentication techniques used (biting, weighting, rulering, grandpa's ownership)
roadrunner
Since both of the major certification services are slabbing problem coins with notations as to what is wrong with them, there is no reason not to get this certified. If it's genuine, it's worth a lot more than the current bid.
Here is are pictures of a certified Noe-1 Pine Tree Shilling.
"You can find copy's for sale here on Ebay but you don't see many of the Real Coins like this for sale!! Here's your chance to get an Authentic New England Pine Tree Shilling here on Ebay."
"This coin has never been Professionaly Graded as far as I know."
"It's the only coin like this I've ever saw in person."
So, with those three statements from the auction, how does the seller know that is genuine?
For this auction, my recommendation is: "Just say Noe"
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>diameter too small for a large planchet - should be 27-31 mm >>
What if it were real and heavily clipped as was the practice back then?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>diameter too small for a large planchet - should be 27-31 mm >>
What if it were real and heavily clipped as was the practice back then? >>
If it had been clipped more of the lettering would be missing. I believe that the piece I posted has been clipped. From what I have read in the more advanced literature, this variety was struck on something other than an almost round planchet.