Dip or No Dip?

shish

A recent purchase that I plan to submit to PCGS. The toning is not very appealing to me, would you dip this coin or submit as is?

Grades and comments are appreciated.

tightbudget

Submit as is. Based on the shiny spot in the obverse center, I think that this one might come back cleaned regardless though.

crypto79

By all means don't dip. I am pretty sure I have seen that coin in a GEN holder at a large show a few years back right when the slabs came out. I to think it was lightly polished if it is the coin I am thinking of but I grade it AU58 details. Rare coin and worth a few grand no matter what.

TennesseeDave

That one is better left as is.I don't see the toning as a problem and the coin is too expensive to risk dipping which could uncover more hairlines.It looks like an AU-58 to me.I saw that coin and wanted it,but it was too $$$$ for my budget.Good Luck and report back the results.

JJM

no dip , slabbed as genuine

fcloud

no dip

Steve27

Don't dip it; it will look worse dipped.

shish

Thanks for the feedback, I'll report back the results.

fivecents

DIP that sucker!!!

Dip it in acetone to try to remove all that PVC.

lordmarcovan

NO DIP on that one.

Really, except for the black stuff that looks like mildew on the left side of the reverse, the scuz doesn't bother me.

IF I were gonna dip that coin (and I wouldn't), I'd be tempted to first get a fine-pointed paintbrush, put it in diluted dip solution, and try delicately painting it over the black stuff- and then drying it back up with a Q-tip. Probably wouldn't work, though. And anytime you attempt a partial cleaning of one area, you're left with the risk of making it stick out even worse. For that reason, I'd be scared to try any "conservation" on it. But if you were gonna dip it anyway, it wouldn't hurt to attempt a partial, localized cleaning first, and then if that fails you could just dip the whole shebang. But I wouldn't.

What about NCS? I haven't heard much about them in the last little while. Have they fallen out of favor? Maybe it would be worth sending to them, then you could crack it out of their holder and submit it PCGS? I dunno. I've never sent a coin to NCS and I'm not a big crackout-and-resubmit veteran, either. Obviously, the more anyone (you or even professionals like NCS) play with it, the less chance it has of grading at PCGS.

The devil of it is, I rather like the golden peripheral tone. It's just the little bits of black scuz I don't like.

As fivecents mentioned, you could do an acetone dip. Wouldn't it be great if it removed the scuz (if the scuz is PVC like he suggests, maybe it would). You haven't got as much risk of messing up the toning with acetone.

BTW, I say AU53 details. Dunno if it would slab in the "genuine" holder or not. As is, it has some negative attributes in the eye appeal, but it's got its pluses, too, and overall I do not think it is a terrible looking coin.

SamByrd

I would suggest that you maybe do a rinse in acetone at most. I would submit as is. details are AU 55 at least in my view. Should it come back as Genuine your still ahead. It is a very marketable coin even as such.

crazyhounddog

DON'T...

kurtdog

I'll just comment, thusly. I learned a long time ago, as a kid, that you don't clean coins, you don't even think of cleaning coins. If you don't like a coin, you sell it, or you give it away, and you buy another one you do like. Dipped coins fell into that category, to us, and we got to the point where we were so proficient we could spot a dipped coin a hobby shop away (well, figuratively-speaking). In this day and age, though, of course, that rigid, unforgiving standard is just no longer practical.

To get to the question, a commercial dip will sometimes backfire, and I think this may be one of those cases. I could be wrong, of course. This coin was certainly "worked on" at some point or points in its chain-of-custody. Or, it appears that way, in these pictures. Anyway, I'll just say, the safest approach is, submit it as is, and see what happens. You dip it, first, and that's irreversible. Just remember that...

kurtdog

Oh, I forgot the grade. I'll go high AU-ish. There's wear on it.

PTVETTER

do not dip it!!!!

JRocco

I think that would look brutal for a long time to come if you dipped it.

lkeigwin

You will be sorry if you dip it. Leave it alone. I like it!
Lance.

ChrisRx

Could be the photo... but it kind of looks like an old polish?

NumisOxide

I like that mottled tone.

Billet7

Leave it alone.

keets

AU, cleaned/dipped/retoned. as most others have said, another dip will further diminish the coin.

metalmeister

Dipping will bring out the wear.
Do at your own risk

ecichlid

Let it continue to retone.

ajia

If you dip & the darker area's remain, me thinks you'll like it even less.
Leave as-is.

HKstrongside

Don't dip it, I like the look. Acetone bath might do it some good though.

shish

Thanks I appreciate your input, it's clear the consensus is do not dip. I'll let he set out a while and send her in at the Baltimore show.

shish

Update:

I submitted this coin to PCGS at the Baltimore show using show service. Unfortunately she returned in a flip marked code 86 No Decision/Refund. I guess they were unable to determine its authenticity at the show. I asked my friend who is wiser than I, he felt it should grade. I agreed to his offer to submit it to NGC at his next show. Hopefully the results are pictured below. Thanks buddy dinner and drinks are on me.

shish

Thanks to all who responded, your input was spot on and is very much appreciated.

ricko

I would have given that coin an acetone soak... I think some of the 'gunkier' looking spots may have lifted off... however, if you are happy with it, that is all that really matters... Cheers, RickO

crypto79

<< <i>Update:

I submitted this coin to PCGS at the Baltimore show using show service. Unfortunately she returned in a flip marked code 86 No Decision/Refund. I guess they were unable to determine its authenticity at the show. I asked my friend who is wiser than I, he felt it should grade. I agreed to his offer to submit it to NGC at his next show. Hopefully the results are pictured below. Thanks buddy dinner and drinks are on me. >>



PCGS is leery of Trades as they should be, they are quick to 86/refund them and it has happened to most of us who collect the series. That said I have had it happen to coins that are currently graded in my sigline so don't give up. Try again

DorkGirl

Why did you buy it if you don't like the toning? You should have waited and bought one you liked.

PerryHall

<< <i>Why did you buy it if you don't like the toning? You should have waited and bought one you liked. >>



Agree. And if you wanted it in a certain slab, buy one already slabbed.

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>Don't dip it; it will look worse dipped. >>



I agree.

123cents

No dip and resubmit!

shish

Although I did say "The toning is not very appealing to me" it's not bad, especially when compared to many others I've seen. This is a tough date to find with attractive, original surfaces. Current pop's are: PCGS Pop 28, NGC 36 including many resubmissions I'm sure. I've learned that you'll miss some great buys on rare coins if you wait for perfection. I would have preferred a PCGS slab because the coin would bring more money and sell easier. I didn't purchase this example for a registry set so an NGC holder is fine. I'm very happy I purchased this coin from a woman that inherited it and had no idea what it was worth. She was very surprised and extremely pleased with the price it realized at auction.

pmh1nic

Dittos on don't dip. Any dipping that would remove the relatively deep toning is going to leave negative after effects.

ormandh

Do not dip! Very nice coin if I may add! -Dan