I want to file it to test it deeper than just the surface. But if I do I cannot return it. I will bring it back to the dealer and see what he says. I did not pay any premium for it. Just silver price via weight not markings. (there was a bunch of other silver in the bag and we just weighed it) I am pretty sure he will take it back.
Hate to break this to you, but the specific gravity of copper is almost exasctly 85% of that of silver.
You can always do a specific gravity of the piece to prove that it is copper without cutting into it.
TD
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I can't imagine your dealer (or any dealer, for that matter) buying a Chinese bar like this without first weighing it. How well do you trust your dealer?
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<< <i>Very nice. But nope. Violation of Rule #1. Never buy anything painted. >>
Oh, I agree with you full heartily when it comes to bullion, but you need to join the 21st century when it comes to coins. Just about all the World Mints, except for the US Mint, are now producing some form of colorized collector coins and in most cases, they are more popular than the non colorized version and demand a higher premium when sold. Disregard your draconian 19th century mentality when it comes to colorized coins & join the growing list of collectors who don't mind owning an artful colorized coin.
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<< <i>see the symbol on the back with one line with alot of other lines coming off of it and going through it, that lets you know that it ain't real.
hopefully the dealer will take it back. fingers crossed. >>
Which one are you talking about? I don't see any text marking this as fake (and I do read Chinese). I'm not saying it is real, just that it isn't marked as fake.
<< <i>Is "Ag.99.9" even the correct notation? Shouldn't it be something like "Ag .999?" >>
I have seen 99.9 used on foreign products to indicate what we would call .999 fine. Same thing, different language.
The trickiest notation I ever saw was ".999% gold" which is literally less than one percent gold which is what the piece was, gold-plated copper. It was sold at the spot price of gold.
TD
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<< <i>Ouch. Asian and colorized. Brutal honesty: I would be highly suspicious of its composition, let alone its purity and weight. >>
I've yet to see one that's made of .999 Silver. 99% are cheap counterfeits with hardly or no PM.
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You can always do a specific gravity of the piece to prove that it is copper without cutting into it.
TD
That makes perfect sense now as to why it weighs 85 gram instead of 100. Silver plated copper.
Does anyone read Chinese? Does it say copy anywhere on the reverse or is it a blatant copy meant to deceive?
<< <i>Thanks Capt
That makes perfect sense now as to why it weighs 85 gram instead of 100. Silver plated copper.
Does anyone read Chinese? Does it say copy anywhere on the reverse or is it a blatant copy meant to deceive? >>
We have a winner! I interpret these as made for deception.
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That could not have been said any better.
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see the symbol on the back with one line with alot of other lines coming off of it and going through it, that lets you know that it ain't real.
hopefully the dealer will take it back. fingers crossed.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
bob
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<< <i>Rule #1 NEVER buy ANYTHING Painted >>
.............or from China.
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<< <i>Rule #1 NEVER buy ANYTHING Painted >>
Oh yeah...
They're all painted, but not from China.
common reverse ( Not painted..
Never buy anything painted.
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<< <i>Very nice. But nope. Violation of Rule #1.
Never buy anything painted. >>
Oh, I agree with you full heartily when it comes to bullion, but you need to join the 21st century when it comes to coins. Just about all the World Mints, except for the US Mint, are now producing some form of colorized collector coins and in most cases, they are more popular than the non colorized version and demand a higher premium when sold. Disregard your draconian 19th century mentality when it comes to colorized coins & join the growing list of collectors who don't mind owning an artful colorized coin.
<< <i>see the symbol on the back with one line with alot of other lines coming off of it and going through it, that lets you know that it ain't real.
hopefully the dealer will take it back. fingers crossed. >>
Is the symbol you are talking about in the lower right corner on the back?
<< <i>see the symbol on the back with one line with alot of other lines coming off of it and going through it, that lets you know that it ain't real.
hopefully the dealer will take it back. fingers crossed. >>
Which one are you talking about? I don't see any text marking this as fake (and I do read Chinese). I'm not saying it is real, just that it isn't marked as fake.
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<< <i>see the symbol on the back with one line with alot of other lines coming off of it and going through it, that lets you know that it ain't real.
hopefully the dealer will take it back. fingers crossed. >>
Is the symbol you are talking about in the lower right corner on the back? >>
my statement was supposed to be a joke, since 99% of those symbols look like that.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
<< <i>A perfect microcosm of what China is doing to the USA. >>
ONLY what the US is allowing.
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<< <i>Is "Ag.99.9" even the correct notation? Shouldn't it be something like "Ag .999?" >>
99.9 fine = 10% silver or gold with 90% alloy
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<< <i>Is "Ag.99.9" even the correct notation? Shouldn't it be something like "Ag .999?" >>
I have seen 99.9 used on foreign products to indicate what we would call .999 fine. Same thing, different language.
The trickiest notation I ever saw was ".999% gold" which is literally less than one percent gold which is what the piece was, gold-plated copper. It was sold at the spot price of gold.
TD