Interesting photo comparison - dealer image and Trueview - 1839-O Half

claychaser · January 14, 2011 2:02PM

I purchased this coin from Coin Rarities, then a CC Special popped up for any coin to submit under the Secure Plus grading. So, I thought this may have an upgrade shot from AU-55, so I submitted it.

Here's CRO's images:

Low and behold, a Trueview was shot, even though I did not order or pay for it. Here's the Trueview:

blu62vette · January 14, 2011 2:04PM

The benefit of shooting a coin raw, nice images.

claychaser · January 14, 2011 2:05PM

<< The benefit of shooting a coin raw, nice images. >>

Wanna shoot this one at Long Beach?

llafoe · January 14, 2011 2:05PM

WOW! CRO should have ALL their coins TrueViewed!

speety · January 14, 2011 2:09PM

Am I the only one who likes the top images better?

AnkurJ · January 14, 2011 2:09PM

AMAZING coin!

llafoe · January 14, 2011 2:19PM

<< Am I the only one who likes the top images better? >>

Yes, but you're the youngest too... so your eyes are probably the only ones that can still see the difference.

blu62vette · January 14, 2011 2:21PM

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<< The benefit of shooting a coin raw, nice images. >>

Wanna shoot this one at Long Beach? >>

Of course! Mine will look more like the CRO images. Does the coin have PL surfaces? It reminds me a reeded edge 1838 in PCGS PR64CAM I shot at FUN.

Broadstruck · January 14, 2011 2:48PM

<< Am I the only one who likes the top images better? >>

Nope as I'd be more apt to buy based on the top images.

BTW: claychaser I like that 39-O a LOT!

illini420 · January 14, 2011 2:57PM

So which image does the coin most look like in hand?? I'm guessing CRO's images. TrueView photos are neat, but anytime a coin has a little color, the photo seems to be taken to emphasize (even exaggerate) the color. Heritage does the same thing in their images of toned coins, especially the proofs.

Cool coin in any case

canadanz · January 14, 2011 3:14PM

<< So which image does the coin most look like in hand?? I'm guessing CRO's images. TrueView photos are neat, but anytime a coin has a little color, the photo seems to be taken to emphasize (even exaggerate) the color. Heritage does the same thing in their images of toned coins, especially the proofs.

Cool coin in any case

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Was wondering the same thing. I just have a hard time believing the coin looks that colorful in hand.

Great coin either way.

TomB · January 14, 2011 3:15PM

It has already been mentioned, but is worth repeating in that there is a very large difference between shooting an image of a raw coin as is done at PCGS and obtaining an image through a slab such as done by Mark Goodman. Sometimes the PCGS images seem quite accurate and other times not so much. So, which image looks more like the coin to your eyes?

jhdfla · January 14, 2011 6:25PM

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<< The benefit of shooting a coin raw, nice images. >>

Wanna shoot this one at Long Beach? >>

Of course! Mine will look more like the CRO images. Does the coin have PL surfaces? It reminds me a reeded edge 1838 in PCGS PR64CAM I shot at FUN. >>

Wasn't that an 1836?

tydye · January 14, 2011 7:32PM

Very Nice Half!

I would think that CRO's image is more accurate though. I can not even see any of the ticks on the true view image.

BG · January 14, 2011 7:41PM

I prefer the top images. TruViews look like too much contrast added.

mumu · January 14, 2011 7:51PM

Trueviews are like an idealized artistic rendition of the coins. Almost like a water color painting. I liked them for a while until I saw a coin in hand vs trueview. I much prefer the shots that Airplanenut and BluVette and KryptoCom et tal shoot here on the boards.

drddm · January 14, 2011 9:33PM

First of all, beautiful 1839-O claychaser!!

Second, I'm kinda partial to the True View's myself, as you could probably tell from my CBH Registry. Although I think the colors are brought out more in true views, I believe that is what Phil Arnold's job is. That is, to bring out the best in every coin he shoots. And, I believe if held just right under a light, the image he produces IS the way the coin appears, although I'm sure there are some exceptions.

Either way, I like the true view very much myself but more so the coin, congrats again Claychaser!!

ambro51 · January 14, 2011 10:58PM

So....you tell US.

Which one REALLY looks like the coin?

PerryHall · January 14, 2011 11:09PM

<< So....you tell US.

Which one REALLY looks like the coin? >>

They probably both look like the coin in hand depending on the light source (fluorescence vs. incandescent vs. natural lighting) and the angle you hold the coin in the light while looking at it.

PTVETTER · January 14, 2011 11:10PM

mumu said it before I did

cmerlo1 · January 14, 2011 11:27PM

I like CRO's images more.

fcloud · January 14, 2011 11:37PM

Most interesting. I went to the cert verification and they have a second image which gives a completely different look.

darktone · January 15, 2011 12:00AM

which ones show the true look of the coin in normal lighting?? Of course the true view pics look better but if this look can only be seen in just the right light when tilting the coin just the right way..........

darktone · January 15, 2011 12:03AM

<< Most interesting. I went to the cert verification and they have a second image which gives a completely different look.

I am going to guess this picture represents more of the way this coin actually looks?

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blu62vette · January 15, 2011 12:17AM

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<< The benefit of shooting a coin raw, nice images. >>

Wanna shoot this one at Long Beach? >>

Of course! Mine will look more like the CRO images. Does the coin have PL surfaces? It reminds me a reeded edge 1838 in PCGS PR64CAM I shot at FUN. >>

Wasn't that an 1836?

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You got me. You know I dont know that era!

ArizonaJack · January 15, 2011 12:22AM

Gorgeous coin, nice pics......So, did you get the upgrade to 58 or not?

UtahCoin · January 15, 2011 1:06AM

<< I prefer the top images. >>

Me too.

claychaser · January 15, 2011 1:47AM

<< Gorgeous coin, nice pics......So, did you get the upgrade to 58 or not? >>

Nope - not even a + grade

keets · January 15, 2011 2:11AM

i believe it's always best to strive for a picture which looks very natural and doesn't aim to portray a coin's attributes at the expense of hiding its flaws, a point alluded to regarding the TruView "portraits" as i generally see them. some of our better forum shutterbugs can attain that standard, even i stumble upon the technique every once-and-a-while. Darktone said it best about just the right light at just the right angle.

i think of it like this-----if you bought the OP coin 1) based on the top picture --or-- 2) based on the TruView picture, which would dissappoint you and cause you to think the pictures had been manipulated once you recieved the coin??

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 2:16AM

<< The benefit of shooting a coin raw, nice images. >>

Not entirely, and some of you may remember that I used to do quite a bit of memorable coin photography.

The difference in the two pics has to do primarily with the angle the light is hitting and then bouncing off the coin.

blu62vette · January 15, 2011 2:17AM

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<< The benefit of shooting a coin raw, nice images. >>

Not entirely, and some of you may remember that I used to do quite a bit of memorable coin photography.

The difference in the two pics has to do primarily with the angle the light is hitting and then bouncing off the coin. >>

And that angle is much easier to achieve raw without the problems of glare from the plastic.

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 2:18AM

That should also answer the question of "which does the coin look mostly like?"

keets · January 15, 2011 2:20AM

will anyone answer.......................honestly??

if you bought the OP coin 1) based on the top picture --or-- 2) based on the TruView picture, which would dissappoint you and cause you to think the pictures had been manipulated once you recieved the coin??

dsessom · January 15, 2011 2:29AM

<< Am I the only one who likes the top images better? >>

Nope. The TruView has the color saturation and contrast turned up. While it may be appealing, it doesn't represent what the coin looks like in hand. The original images are better.

ambro51 · January 15, 2011 2:31AM

My only tru view is with my 1875 gold dollar.

I can match it up with the image from small contact marks.

The tru view looks 90% different from the coin in hand.

And I agree...Juice flows free out west.

schwarzpferd · January 15, 2011 3:49AM

One can never be sure what the customer is expecting when shooting a coin raw unless specified (which usually isn't the case). If it's a toned proof, or a coin like this which may or may not have semi PL surfaces, the assumption usually is that the customer wants that toning highlighted. If the surfaces are desired (like with in-slab photos), that can be captured with a TrueView as well. Most of the time it comes down to the discretion of the photographer what technique to use. This appears to be an older image, and I think TrueViews have backed away from such lighting techniques for MS coins.

Anyway, TrueViews aren't really tweaked or juiced. With so many coins to photograph, who really has time to do that kind of stuff?

Hi Todd! Nice meeting you at FUN.

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 3:51AM

<< The TruView has the color saturation and contrast turned up. >>

While that is a none too surprising of a conclusion, I am sorry but that is not true. If that were true then you could take the top image, turn up the saturation and contrast and end up with the other images.

ColonialCoinUnion · January 15, 2011 3:52AM

For what it's worth, I remember the coin in hand looking very much like Mark Goodman's photo.

mumu · January 15, 2011 3:53AM

<< will anyone answer.......................honestly??

if you bought the OP coin 1) based on the top picture --or-- 2) based on the TruView picture, which would dissappoint you and cause you to think the pictures had been manipulated once you recieved the coin?? >>

Hard to answer without the coin in hand but as a guess I think its obvious that the truview has more probablity for disapointment.

crazyhounddog · January 15, 2011 3:55AM

Looks like an up grade candidate!

Nice coin and imaging..

Hard to answer without the coin in hand but as a guess I think its obvious that the truview has more probablity for disapointment.

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 3:55AM

The true view images simply are capturizations of the light bouncing more directly into the lens of the camera than the top images.

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 3:58AM

Oh, and by the way, nice coin. One of my favorites....a one year type coin.

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 4:11AM

Here's the top image with contrast and saturation added:

ColonialCoinUnion · January 15, 2011 4:12AM

mgoodm3 · January 15, 2011 4:17AM

<< Here's the top image with contrast and saturation added:

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Congratulations, you sucessfully ruined the picture

Catbert · January 15, 2011 4:21AM

I would prefer Mark Goodman's images assuming it is more accurate when viewing the coin slabbed. In my view, it is a more honest representation.

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 5:11AM

<< Congratulations, you sucessfully ruined the picture

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Thank you but don't worry, I didn't ruin all the pictures. The original good images also exist on other people's hardrives on their computers. You see, everybody's computer has it's own harddrive so when I capture the image and put it on my harddrive, and then change it, that doesn't change the image on the other people's hard drives. And you don't need to thank me, I always like to help those who don't understand very much about how computers work. There's a good book on computers you might read "Computers for Dummies." Very basic.

Oh, and by the way, my intentions in posting that image was to point out that the second set of images was not essentially the first set with more contrast and saturation.

DoubleEagle59 · January 15, 2011 5:14AM

I prefer the top image much more than the second.

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 5:16AM

Oh, one last thing, Mark. I went to your website for the first time. Wow....great job. I am very impressed.

Also.....hope you have a good sense of humor!

mgoodm3 · January 15, 2011 5:50AM

Thankfully, the true original image resides on my computer...

ANACONDA · January 15, 2011 6:16AM

Whew!

Interesting photo comparison - dealer image and Trueview - 1839-O Half

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