Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
MJ please, I have this recurring fantasy of Betty White and Betty Furness and a Westinghouse refrigerator..... Oops, I don't believe i'd have told the people that. Nevermind.
Ron
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
Another interesting thread. I think those that postulated that Colonial Collectors don't hang around here much because most collectors including me, usually don't buy coins in slabs and frequently marvel at the magnitude of the grading, attribution and authenticity errors made by the grading services. But I must admit that I have purchased maybe two dozen Colonial Coins in slabs and cracked them out. I have even done this on several occasions where they have been the highest graded coin in the Pop Reports........sometimes by a wide margin.
Also, in buying a coin, I rarely even look at the slab description or grade. I am certain that half the coins I have purchased in slabs, I never did look at the assigned grade or description until after I cracked the coin out to save the blue or green certificate in the slab (Colonial Coin Collectors keep everything about the history of a coin <s>.
Secondly, we do have our own chat board on Yahoo though that seems to be getting overrun by discussions of British Counterfeit Halfpennies these days which are interesting....to a point.
But I would also point out that everything goes in cycles and the cycle for Colonials seems to ebb and flow around the availability of these scarce items. If you go back to the late 1800s, every serious Collector from Mickley on had a fair number of Colonials represented in their Collections. Want proof, take a look at just about any auction catalog done by the Chapman Brothers (Heritage of the Era) from say the late 1880s to about 1920. Lot's of Colonails. But starting around 1900 an interesting thing started to happen, just about every noteworthy Colonial Coin began getting scooped up by the Garrett Family, the Holden/Norweb Family, Virgil Brand and Col. EH Green. By the mid 1920s......pooff, they were all gone.
The Brand and Greens holdings largely went to FCC Boyd and then to Ford. Bareford got what Boyd didn't get from Brand holdings and Eric Newman got much of what Green had. So from about 1910 to 1980 there were no meaningful Colonial Coins to collect. Everything was locked away in the Garrett, Norweb, Ford, Bareford and Newman Collections. And thus only the most dedicated of Colonial Collectors (maybe two or three dozen at most) picked up what came out of the woodwork or got by Boyd, Bareford or Norweb.
But then the faucet slowly began to open...first Garrett, then Bareford, then Norweb then Ford.........then "voila"....supply. Likewise you saw Colonial Collectors go from about a dozen early patrons of The Colonial Newsletter to about 400+ active members of C-4. Then Colonial Registry Sets and slowly but surely, Colonial Coins are becoming mainstream collectibles.
I have streamlined history a bit here, but these are the high points of what happened. There are a few mega Colonial Collections still out there largely assembled from the Garrett et. al. sales, but when they go...more supply. And I expect that like Ford, those sales will bring even more collectors into Colonials.
My Two Pence
nova caesarea >>
I thoroughly enjoyed the second part of this post with the interesting historical observations, but in my personal opinion, and with all due respect to NC, the first part was a bit off the mark.
It may have been true 10 years ago (maybe even 5) that there were more colonial collectors favoring raw coins, but I do not believe that is the case today. And I think the trend toward slabs in the future is clear (not that everyone has to like it). Further, my guess is that when many of the current generation of collectors of raw colonials go to sell their holdings, they too will end up slabbing them since the commercial realities are clear, and the number of venues in which it is even possible to sell raw colonials today is dwindling. Quickly.
And while I won't deny that there have been plenty of errors by the grading services with regard to colonial attributions, etc., I have seen my fair share of such mistakes with regards to raw coins as well, in catalogs, in reference books, etc., even those written by the most respected specialists around.
To the OP I would say that the quantity of colonial posts here is approximately in line with their relative interest here in the forum, where discussions of colonials, early copper and early type in general take a significant back seat to posts about Morgan Dollars and some of the more modern issues. In my view, that is not surprising, since there are more of them than there are of "us".
I'd keep typing, but my flight is about to take off -
I probably should have added at the end that as the enthusiasm for Colonials has (will) increase, so has (will) the acceptance of slabs. Meant to indicate that with point about then came registry sets. And I think you are absolutely right about even collectors of raw coins (like me) will succomb to slabs when it comes time to sell (another reason why I save the stickers)........the Norweb Washingtonia sale seemed to be the tipping point for that one.
Now the Betty White thing.............I am not so sure about that.....
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Most colonial collectors and dealers of said coins also find Betty White extremely hot. MJ >>
This is absolutely true.
Ron
<< <i>Hi Guys,
Another interesting thread. I think those that postulated that Colonial Collectors don't hang around here much because most collectors including me, usually don't buy coins in slabs and frequently marvel at the magnitude of the grading, attribution and authenticity errors made by the grading services. But I must admit that I have purchased maybe two dozen Colonial Coins in slabs and cracked them out. I have even done this on several occasions where they have been the highest graded coin in the Pop Reports........sometimes by a wide margin.
Also, in buying a coin, I rarely even look at the slab description or grade. I am certain that half the coins I have purchased in slabs, I never did look at the assigned grade or description until after I cracked the coin out to save the blue or green certificate in the slab (Colonial Coin Collectors keep everything about the history of a coin <s>
Secondly, we do have our own chat board on Yahoo though that seems to be getting overrun by discussions of British Counterfeit Halfpennies these days which are interesting....to a point.
But I would also point out that everything goes in cycles and the cycle for Colonials seems to ebb and flow around the availability of these scarce items. If you go back to the late 1800s, every serious Collector from Mickley on had a fair number of Colonials represented in their Collections. Want proof, take a look at just about any auction catalog done by the Chapman Brothers (Heritage of the Era) from say the late 1880s to about 1920. Lot's of Colonails. But starting around 1900 an interesting thing started to happen, just about every noteworthy Colonial Coin began getting scooped up by the Garrett Family, the Holden/Norweb Family, Virgil Brand and Col. EH Green. By the mid 1920s......pooff, they were all gone.
The Brand and Greens holdings largely went to FCC Boyd and then to Ford. Bareford got what Boyd didn't get from Brand holdings and Eric Newman got much of what Green had. So from about 1910 to 1980 there were no meaningful Colonial Coins to collect. Everything was locked away in the Garrett, Norweb, Ford, Bareford and Newman Collections. And thus only the most dedicated of Colonial Collectors (maybe two or three dozen at most) picked up what came out of the woodwork or got by Boyd, Bareford or Norweb.
But then the faucet slowly began to open...first Garrett, then Bareford, then Norweb then Ford.........then "voila"....supply. Likewise you saw Colonial Collectors go from about a dozen early patrons of The Colonial Newsletter to about 400+ active members of C-4. Then Colonial Registry Sets and slowly but surely, Colonial Coins are becoming mainstream collectibles.
I have streamlined history a bit here, but these are the high points of what happened. There are a few mega Colonial Collections still out there largely assembled from the Garrett et. al. sales, but when they go...more supply. And I expect that like Ford, those sales will bring even more collectors into Colonials.
My Two Pence
nova caesarea >>
I thoroughly enjoyed the second part of this post with the interesting historical observations, but in my personal opinion, and with all due respect to NC, the first part was a bit off the mark.
It may have been true 10 years ago (maybe even 5) that there were more colonial collectors favoring raw coins, but I do not believe that is the case today. And I think the trend toward slabs in the future is clear (not that everyone has to like it). Further, my guess is that when many of the current generation of collectors of raw colonials go to sell their holdings, they too will end up slabbing them since the commercial realities are clear, and the number of venues in which it is even possible to sell raw colonials today is dwindling. Quickly.
And while I won't deny that there have been plenty of errors by the grading services with regard to colonial attributions, etc., I have seen my fair share of such mistakes with regards to raw coins as well, in catalogs, in reference books, etc., even those written by the most respected specialists around.
To the OP I would say that the quantity of colonial posts here is approximately in line with their relative interest here in the forum, where discussions of colonials, early copper and early type in general take a significant back seat to posts about Morgan Dollars and some of the more modern issues. In my view, that is not surprising, since there are more of them than there are of "us".
I'd keep typing, but my flight is about to take off -
I probably should have added at the end that as the enthusiasm for Colonials has (will) increase, so has (will) the acceptance of slabs. Meant to indicate that with point about then came registry sets. And I think you are absolutely right about even collectors of raw coins (like me) will succomb to slabs when it comes time to sell (another reason why I save the stickers)........the Norweb Washingtonia sale seemed to be the tipping point for that one.
Now the Betty White thing.............I am not so sure about that.....
nova caesarea