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1955 Topps AA; Cracked and Resealed

MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
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Well, it took going through a few thousand graded cards, but I just received a PSA slabbed card that was cracked opened and resealed.

Interestingly, it does not appear to be the right graded card, but one somewhat equal. The grade was an 8oc...and the card inside has a pretty good dogear...not too o/c for the issue, but oc. Maybe they traded a PSA 6 for it..or maybe it is trimmed? Looks like a good 6 to me. The top left corner looks better in the scan then it is, and would keep it out of an 8 case, and likely a 7 as well (?).

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Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.

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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    That's the right card. Why would someone crack an 8 o/c to put an 8 o/c looking card in it's place. What's the card worth- $20 bucks. image
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That's the right card. Why would someone crack an 8 o/c to put an 8 o/c looking card in it's place. What's the card worth- $20 bucks. image >>



    Why would people counterfeit 1 dollar bills? eh?
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    Yeah, its the original card...or one close. There is an obvious crack in the side, it is frosted heavy completely around and inside. No question it was cracked. I am still thinking PSA 6 over 8 o/c because of the corner. It looks dogeared in hand. I know 8 o/c = PSA 6 on the registry...but that is the registry. The cards themselves are not equal.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    Maybe it was cracked out and the corner got a little dinged doing it?

    Anyway, purchased it on eBay so I am returning it.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe it was cracked out and the corner got a little dinged doing it?

    Anyway, purchased it on eBay so I am returning it. >>



    Heh. I see what you did there.

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  • BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033


    << <i>Maybe it was cracked out and the corner got a little dinged doing it?

    Anyway, purchased it on eBay so I am returning it. >>



    Looks fine to me too. Whats your ebay id so i can block you?
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Maybe it was cracked out and the corner got a little dinged doing it?

    Anyway, purchased it on eBay so I am returning it. >>



    Looks fine to me too. Whats your ebay id so i can block you? >>



    Even though it is clearly frosted completely around and inside and has a visible crack? I did not buy a tampered slab even if it is the right original card. Which again, the upper left corner looks worst in hand. My understanding of a PSA 8 does not allow a dogeared corner.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    This does not make sense....but an 8 has stronger corners than an 8 o/c in many cases. This is even more evident in 9 and 9 o/c. Like I said...it doesn't make sense; but that's how it is usually.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>This does not make sense....but an 8 has stronger corners than an 8 o/c in many cases. >>



    The O/C in grading has noting to do with anything else on the card. It does not mean it is a PSA 6 or anything like that. I means it is an oc 8.


    Again, I own a few thousand PSA graded cards, have sold several thousand, and I am sure this has been tampered with, not sure why that isn't enough for you guys. I think I would trust anyone with any knowledge that a case has been tampered with. Here are some snapshots, the camera does better. It is frosted completely around. Note the second photo...you can see where the two parts of the case meet....where it received stress during cracking...or maybe glue. The third photo shows the side with a crack that is parrallel and about half an inch...hard to see. Not easy taking photos of the sides of these cases.



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    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    I am also wondering if it might be trimmed. The card has mostly opc like edges...but is smooth on a couple parts. Also note the top border, and the compare that to the right border.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    I do appreciate your opinion on the 1955 Topps AA's Mickey....as you have more experience with them then me.

    This card goes to the Heisman set so I think I paid around $30 with shipping. I know your average vintage card you are selling is likely $100 so I understand where you are coming from that the card isnt worth much...and it isnt.

    I have a couple other 8 O/C'd from the set and a couple 6's. My 8 O/C are bright clean cards with nice corners. My 6's are slightly dirty with a slight dogears corner or two and a little oc....like this card. If this was the original card...it was overgraded in my opinion. The case I still think is clearly tampered with.

    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • MithrilManMithrilMan Posts: 161
    When I was in college, I used to work at a Star market in Boston. Nice neighborhood. We once caught an older lady putting fresh pastries in a "day old pastry" box for the small discount...
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  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Isn't that side indent on all PSA cards?
    Mike
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>When I was in college, I used to work at a Star market in Boston. Nice neighborhood. We once caught an older lady putting fresh pastries in a "day old pastry" box for the small discount... >>



    Do what now?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Isn't that side indent on all PSA cards? >>



    Yes but it looks cracked.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    My guess is that what you're seeing is impact or stress on the holder. While it is possible, it just doesn't make any sense for someone to crack it and replace it with a similar card. In my experience, a PSA 8 OC usually looks more like a PSA 6 or 7 with regard to corners...
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>My guess is that what you're seeing is impact or stress on the holder. While it is possible, it just doesn't make any sense for someone to crack it and replace it with a similar card. In my experience, a PSA 8 OC usually looks more like a PSA 6 or 7 with regard to corners... >>




    Ungraded the card on ebay is $5-10 and in the case, $25....not a big difference, but a difference.

    It is possible it is impact or stress on the holder. I could however show you 100's of photos of that, and like I also noted think it is slightly frosty on the inside section...when I compare it to my others at least. I still think it is tampered.

    I don't feel like I can pass this along, add it to my set or the like.

    Mark
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020
    Maybe just maybe, it is the original card and during shipping or handling , it was dropped and the slab cracked open, I know on one of my subs of 50+ cards in the process of scanning them I dropped one just the right way on the wood floor and bingo the holder was now in two pieces luckily it didn't damage the card and it was a common 1954 Topps ,thought about gluing it back together & just keeping the card, because it was not worth sending it back into PSA to have it graded again, it was a PSA 5 (thought it might go a 7) so I ended up selling it raw on Ebay as an EX grade card and it looked so good raw it brought PSA 6 money, so in this case it was good I dropped it and it broke open.

    wish I would have sold my PSA 1 Kaline RC raw, because it looked good enough raw, I might have gotten PSA 4 money live & learn.

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  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    I guess if Scott and Mickey both think it is fine, I will let their opinion, over ride my own. Both I will agree have more knowledge in this area then me.

    Here is what I am use to in an 8o/c. I don't know how PSA could give anything with a slight dogear corner more then a 7 (isn't that pretty much the 7 standard def.?) but I don't play with vintage and understand they are a little more relaxed at times, when compared to modern cards.

    I suppose I will just be more careful buying. If I wanted an o/c card with a dogear I could have saved $20...


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    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>Maybe just maybe, it is the original card and during shipping or handling , it was dropped and the slab cracked open, I know on one of my subs of 50+ cards in the process of scanning them I dropped one just the right way on the wood floor and bingo the holder was now in two pieces luckily it didn't damage the card.... >>



    It is possible it was opened on accident or purpose, and not in a manner to try to screw someone.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    i think it's fine, i wouldn't stress about it.
  • dfr52dfr52 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭
    I agree w/ those who say the holder hasn't been tampered with. I have a few slabs like that in my collection and figured it was a from sloppy seal job or from getting dropped. The All Americans also don't seem to have the cleanest seals.
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  • waverleewaverlee Posts: 104 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Maybe just maybe, it is the original card and during shipping or handling , it was dropped and the slab cracked open, I know on one of my subs of 50+ cards in the process of scanning them I dropped one just the right way on the wood floor and bingo the holder was now in two pieces luckily it didn't damage the card.... >>



    It is possible it was opened on accident or purpose, and not in a manner to try to screw someone. >>



    I'll have some of what you're smoking. Post your ebay ID so everyone can get you on their BBL
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    "I have a few slabs like that in my collection..."

    Could you show me one that is frosted completely around, cracked inside and does not have one solid white impact mark on the edges?

    Perhaps I will just send it to PSA.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • waverleewaverlee Posts: 104 ✭


    << <i>"I have a few slabs like that in my collection..."

    Could you show me one that is frosted completely around, cracked inside and does not have one solid white impact mark on the edges?

    Perhaps I will just send it to PSA. >>



    5150 alert ----- we have a loose one ^^^^
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    If it makes you feel hip or cool to continue to throw elementary insults I guess I can be your target today. However, might I suggest getting rid of the alt name, and posting in your name with a constructive comment?

    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020


    << <i>

    << <i>Maybe just maybe, it is the original card and during shipping or handling , it was dropped and the slab cracked open, I know on one of my subs of 50+ cards in the process of scanning them I dropped one just the right way on the wood floor and bingo the holder was now in two pieces luckily it didn't damage the card.... >>



    It is possible it was opened on accident or purpose, and not in a manner to try to screw someone. >>



    It just seems like a lot of work to purposely switch out a PSA 8 OC, but I could see someone dropping it and the holder cracking open and damaging/dinging one the corners and instead of selling it raw or sending it back to be regraded they just reseal the slab themselves and say "ah no one will notice" pass it off on Ebay.

    I hope everything works out for you, and if the seller is good, he should take the return and immediately refund your money
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    Diamondman,
    I think you just stated the scenerio exactly as it happened.
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