CopyKat, CopyKat....you're no Daniel Carr, Sir!!!!!...Oh, and that reverse has a funny stamp on it!!

Goldbully · January 11, 2011 10:58AM

This is Royal Oak Mint's "Exact Size" Reproduction of the aborted 1964-D Peace Dollar! Unlike the majority made by ROM over the years that were struck on pure silver planchets, this one is struck on a genuine United States Mint Peace Dollar! The coins were deliberately rotated a bit so that portions of the understike can be seen though the overstrike. Signs of the understrike are very difficult to detect and show better here on this coin due to the photographic technique used and the fact that this specimen shows more of the understike than most of the 21 Trial Strikes made (more will be made later).
With a bit of magnification, and tilting the coin correctly in the correct lighting, the date, legends, and in particular the back of Liberty's neck from the original coin can be seen. The back of Miss Liberty's neck is the most obvious and can be seen pointing toward the designer initials.
A bit of history on the original coin is in order. In 1965 the U.S. Government struck 316,076 examples of 1964 dated Peace Dollars at the Denver Mint facility. Later in May of that year the government bowed to pressure from critics of the issue (who suggested that the coin would only serve special interest groups -- namely the Las Vegas gambling casinos) and subsequently countermanded authorization and destroyed all known examples. Not even one example was saved for the Smithsonian Institution collection!
Until the Royal Oak Mint began producing these high-quality American made reproductions about five or six years ago, you simply could not own a 1964-D Peace Dollar! Ours of correct diameter and the reverse shows "COPY", (neatly worked into the design below the word DOLLAR), in accordance with the Hobby Protection Act of 1973. These are legal to own!

eBay Linky

TexasNationals · January 11, 2011 11:01AM

I think that is pretty neat, you can even see the original strike under it. I have a ton of respect for Carr, but wont bash a quality die when I see one. The designer did a good job,

Bochiman · January 11, 2011 11:03AM

At least this one is more honest by putting "COPY" on the replica.

llafoe · January 11, 2011 11:04AM

Looks good, has "COPY" and is only $60...

Loupe · January 11, 2011 11:04AM

Goldbully · January 11, 2011 11:30AM

Matte Proof "Out of Stock!"

DCARR Link

mrcoin3 · January 11, 2011 11:33AM

Copy? Copy of Daniel Carr's work.

jmski52 · January 11, 2011 11:34AM

It's a "COPY" of something that doesn't exist.

CaptHenway · January 11, 2011 2:17PM

<< At least this one is more honest by putting "COPY" on the replica. >>

commoncents05 · January 11, 2011 2:23PM

<< At least this one is more honest by putting "COPY" on the replica. >>

I agree.

-Paul

Connecticoin · January 11, 2011 9:25PM

Junk. Has the artistic quality of one of those pot metal coin coasters.

PerryHall · January 11, 2011 10:07PM

A cheap immitation of the Dan Carr original fantasy 1964 Peace dollar. Adding COPY makes it look just plain cheap and tacky.

dsessom · January 11, 2011 11:02PM

I honestly don't see why one would need to put "Copy" on a coin that doesn't exist. I mean more examples of the 1913 Liberty nickel have surfaced than 1964-D Peace dollars (zero!). However, if a real one ever did surface, it would be EXTREMELY hard to authenticate due to all the "copies" that have been made.

CaptHenway · January 11, 2011 11:05PM

<< A cheap immitation of the Dan Carr original fantasy 1964 Peace dollar. Adding COPY makes it look just plain cheap and tacky. >>

But then, many of us consider Mr. Carr's UNMARKED pieces to be just plain cheap and tacky.

renman95 · January 11, 2011 11:20PM

What is it a copy of?

llafoe · January 11, 2011 11:26PM

<< What is it a copy of? >>

It's a copy of the 1964-D Peace dollars that WERE minted... whether any still actually remain is a moot issue, they were officially minted by the US Mint. So it's a COPY of a coin that did exist.

19Lyds · January 11, 2011 11:30PM

Back to the OP, and for those that have one of each of Daniels creations, no collection of 1964-D Peace Dollars should be without one of these coins.

But thats just my opinion.

Raybob15239 · January 11, 2011 11:32PM

<< 

<< A cheap immitation of the Dan Carr original fantasy 1964 Peace dollar. Adding COPY makes it look just plain cheap and tacky. >>

But then, many of us consider Mr. Carr's UNMARKED pieces to be just plain cheap and tacky.

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ricko · January 11, 2011 11:34PM

Here we go again... where is that popcorn icon... Cheers, RickO

Raybob15239 · January 11, 2011 11:34PM

<< 

<< A cheap immitation of the Dan Carr original fantasy 1964 Peace dollar. Adding COPY makes it look just plain cheap and tacky. >>

But then, many of us consider Mr. Carr's UNMARKED pieces to be just plain cheap and tacky.

>>

dragon · January 11, 2011 11:47PM

This one just looks like one of those 'Peace Dollar' 1 oz. silver rounds to me. The profile is off, she looks like she's squinting, the cheekbone looks off, the nose, the lips.......I'd offer melt less .50 for one.

StubbyMcNumbthumbs · January 11, 2011 11:58PM

<< This is one example and I suspect others will follow. Unless D Carr becomes super famous the value of his coins may drop.
Don't shoot the meesenger but supply and demand like anything else comes in to play. >>

Well, I can't speak for others, but I believe Mr. Carr's pieces have been popular, due in large part to the fact that his does NOT have that ridiculous "COPY" stamp on it. I wouldn't want one with it, legally required or not. I don't care how accurate the representation is, or whether it's .999 silver or stamped over a real Peace dollar, doesn't matter. As soon as the COPY gets punched in, it looks like toy/fake cheap crap.

I don't think Mr. Carr, or anyone who has purchased one of his Peace dollars, has to worry about the values dropping due this new bunch of copies. Apples and oranges.

But that's just my opinion.

drei3ree · January 12, 2011 12:15AM

<< A cheap immitation of the Dan Carr original fantasy 1964 Peace dollar. Adding COPY makes it look just plain cheap and tacky. >>

I really like and admire Mr. Carr's work.

Edited: But haven't ever bought any of his products...

Connecticoin · January 12, 2011 9:55AM

<< 

<< A cheap immitation of the Dan Carr original fantasy 1964 Peace dollar. Adding COPY makes it look just plain cheap and tacky. >>

But then, many of us consider Mr. Carr's UNMARKED pieces to be just plain cheap and tacky.

>>

Come on, you know they look just like real Peace Dollars.

Constantine · January 12, 2011 10:15AM

<< Matte Proof "Out of Stock!"

DCARR Link >>

Out of Stock does not mean Sold Out.

49thStateofMind · January 12, 2011 10:27AM

Modern crap

JRocco · January 12, 2011 10:43AM

What are these selling for compared to DCarr's silver rounds?

NotSure · January 12, 2011 11:35AM

I believe these have been around, just that the sellers are being given more opportunity to try to cash in on them, seeing how much they've (D. Carr's, that is) brought on ebay thus far......$202.50 for a 'bulk handled' $60 coin (I think the die pair 5 'bulk handled' went for that...the die pair 6 'bulk handled' were at $75, if I recall correctly...or is it IIRC?).

denga · January 12, 2011 11:53AM

CaptHenway January 12, 2011

< At least this one is more honest by putting "COPY" on the replica. >>

JRocco · January 12, 2011 10:41PM

<< 

<< What are these selling for compared to DCarr's silver rounds? >>

$60 vs. 200 ? >>

Thanks

notwilight · January 12, 2011 11:20PM

I much prefer the D Carr version. --Jerry

pmac · January 12, 2011 11:27PM

<< Here we go again... where is that popcorn icon... Cheers, RickO >>

Just before I went to the second page of this thread I thought, "here we go again". Took the words out of my mouth.

7Jaguars · January 12, 2011 11:41PM

I think it best to hold one of the "Carr Dollars" in hand before you criticize. I have absolutely no affiliation with him whatever and do not collect Peace dollars but appreciate good art and I think he has done a wonderful job. This piece shown is, as has been said, IMO pure crap; Carr's if you see one is quite impressive.

I really don't understand everybody being so anal about the word "copy". I see virtually no chance of these coins (Carr's) being passed off successfully as a genuine 64-D dollar. Think about it: walk up to somebody, and say "psssst, hey buddy I have a steal for you. This is a one-off mint product that I can sell you for only X dollars". He won't care, and chances are won't believe ANY dollar is worth that much anyway.

Or in the alternative, try to sell one of these down the road to somebody that knows something - I can not see them making the mistake. It really is entirely different than if these were 1889 CC dollars that Carr had done.

fastrudy · January 13, 2011 12:12AM

CaptHenway · January 13, 2011 12:28AM

<< CaptHenway January 12, 2011

< At least this one is more honest by putting "COPY" on the replica. >>

>>

The "more honest" line was Bochiman's. I just put the "agreement" icen beneath it.
I still agree.
TD

CaptHenway · January 13, 2011 12:28AM

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messydesk · January 13, 2011 1:56AM

ROM has been around a lot longer than Daniel Carr has been moonlight minting, as far as I know. They started making repros shortly after the Gallery Mint started doing theirs in the mid '90s, and the dies for this one were made ca. 2005 according to the listing. The dies look to have been started from scratch, rather than copied from a coin, with consideration to cost and what could be struck up on the press they were using more than coming up with an exact as possible copy of the original design. Likewise for their other reproductions. Had ROM had Ms. Wastweet create original designs using whatever means she felt appropriate to ensure proper execution of her ideas, I'm confident there'd be some stunning designs coming from their presses that you could legitimately call artwork rather than the work of a technician. If Ken Potter wants to resurrect his 64-D Peace dollar repro dies and fire up the press to try to make a few more bucks, more power to him. I'm not buying one of his, either.

PawPaul · January 13, 2011 8:38PM

At least this one is more honest by putting "COPY" on the replica.

..........I think its more dis-honest ;

no genuine 1964-D dollars exist , so stamping "copy" on something that doesn't exist is dishonest .

This argument of putting "COPY" on D.Carrs fantasy piece obviously holds no water since hundreds and hundreds have been made and sold with no legal repercussions .

If a 1963 Franklin was overstruck as one with the date 1965 ; it would be dishonest to stamp "COPY" on it , as it would only be a "COPY" in your fantasies

CopyKat, CopyKat....you're no Daniel Carr, Sir!!!!!...Oh, and that reverse has a funny stamp on it!!

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