After all the return talk--I got a stinker 8.5 that will be returned
Mickey71
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I just received a card that I have been wanting for awhile a PSA 8.5 1969 Willie Mays. I was stunned when I spotted a crease/wrinkle right by Willie's cheek that was very noticeable. I was very dissappointed. I'm returning it to the seller. In an email to the seller...I mentioned that the card should be brought to PSA's attention and gotten out of that holder. When I purchased the card I knew it was probably not a real strong 8.5 because of a slight tilt and part of the cutters line on the bottom....but with the crease/wrinkle it's not a proud grading moment for TPG companies. The corners were only 8 corners also. I totally made my mind up that I was not passing this card to the next guy via Ebay sale.
On a nice note....I purchased a 1964 PSA 8.5 Mays that was really "sweet"
Mickey71
On a nice note....I purchased a 1964 PSA 8.5 Mays that was really "sweet"
Mickey71
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<< <i> I totally made my mind up that I was not passing this card to the next guy via Ebay sale.
Mickey71 >>
Don't take this the wrong way but by returning to the seller you have no way of knowing if it will be passed on to the next guy via another sale.
I also DO NOT think it is your responsability to fix the card with PSA, but that was an option.
Mickey71
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Send the card back when you can
<< <i>You're free to do what you want but why not check with PSA first to see what they can do? >>
I agree. As much grief as I was given over the same thing, it is only right. All this passing the buck gets nothing accomplished. That card needs to be taken out of that holder. PSA got my Jordan yesterday (Thanks Memory Lane!!! By the way, I am STILL waiting on a call-back! Thank goodness I wasn't holding my breath!)
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<< <i> I totally made my mind up that I was not passing this card to the next guy via Ebay sale.
Mickey71 >>
Don't take this the wrong way but by returning to the seller you have no way of knowing if it will be passed on to the next guy via another sale.
I also DO NOT think it is your responsability to fix the card with PSA, but that was an option. >>
This isnt Mickey's issue. he returns the card, gets his refund and then is done with it.
And if PSA graded the card wrong, they should take care of it.
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<< <i>You're free to do what you want but why not check with PSA first to see what they can do? >>
I agree. As much grief as I was given over the same thing, it is only right. All this passing the buck gets nothing accomplished. That card needs to be taken out of that holder. PSA got my Jordan yesterday (Thanks Memory Lane!!! By the way, I am STILL waiting on a call-back! Thank goodness I wasn't holding my breath!) >>
How is he passing the buck?
It isnt Mickey's responsibility to get the card out of that holder. It is his responsibility to return the card and get his money back.
<< <i>It isnt Mickey's responsibility to get the card out of that holder. It is his responsibility to return the card and get his money back >>
That's passing the buck....next thing you know, I will wind up bidding on the card and then everyone will give me the crap about selling an overgraded card!!! I know it sucks, but the right thing to do will be to send it to PSA. See what they can do...who knows, he might be pleasantly surprised!
<< <i>he's returning the buck >>
Yep, card is a rotten egg and seller has a return policy. No reason to tell him to eat the money. He never tried to pass it on to someone, he just didn't except the trash.
Bobby,
I do not see how your situation is similar to mine as you were the seller and I am the buyer with a clear return policy stated up front. The seller also responded to my email and told me to return the card.
Mickey71
Passing the buck would be to sell it to another person, NOT returning it to the person who sold it to you.
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<< <i>You're free to do what you want but why not check with PSA first to see what they can do? >>
I agree. As much grief as I was given over the same thing, it is only right. All this passing the buck gets nothing accomplished. That card needs to be taken out of that holder. PSA got my Jordan yesterday (Thanks Memory Lane!!! By the way, I am STILL waiting on a call-back! Thank goodness I wasn't holding my breath!) >>
Hopefully PSA will take that creased 8.5 off the market.
Without a return to the seller, Mickey could have sent the
card to PSA for a buyback with his purchase price receipt.
PSA doesn't want creased 8's floating around the hobby either.
It sounds like it was an honest grading oversight.
Thanks
<< <i>I get the feeling that most think I should be dealing with PSA on this card issue. This seems to be a complete turn around from the events of a week ago with Bobby's Jordan. I think many owe him an apology. I never cut down Bobby's credibility as some did; but thought he should issue a refund. What I don't understand...is the seller has a return policy and I'm using it...not for buyers remorse and not for a difference of opinion on a PSA grade but for a clear miss on a serious defect. This is different than 2 people arguing over the amount of PD or 65/35 centering as far as eye appeal is concerned. Many, I repeat many have stated that a wrinkle can garner no more than a 6. If that wrinkle is shown to 10 graders the grade will be 10 times 6 or less.
Mickey - I said in my post that I did not think your were the one that must send it back in to PSA for a fix, only that it was an option you could have persued being that you were understanding of not wanting the card to be passed along to someone else. There is no way to say for sure what the seller will do with it once he gets it back from you.
<< <i>I get the feeling that most think I should be dealing with PSA on this card issue. This seems to be a complete turn around from the events of a week ago with Bobby's Jordan. I think many owe him an apology. I never cut down Bobby's credibility as some did; but thought he should issue a refund. What I don't understand...is the seller has a return policy and I'm using it...not for buyers remorse and not for a difference of opinion on a PSA grade but for a clear miss on a serious defect. This is different than 2 people arguing over the amount of PD or 65/35 centering as far as eye appeal is concerned. Many, I repeat many have stated that a wrinkle can garner no more than a 6. If that wrinkle is shown to 10 graders the grade will be 10 times 6 or less.
Bobby's situation is completely different. It is like comparing two loaves of bread, sure they appear the same but one is made with flour and the other with crack.
Personally I would check with PSA and if they wouldn't buy the card back then it would be returned to the seller via their return policy.
Props to them for helping you out with this and understanding.
Some registry collectors buy the flip not the card -- so there is a buyer out there for such an item (though they probably had a bologna sandwhich with slices from the crack loaf).
Bottom line, the card needs to be taken out...next thing you know, it will wind up in Memory Lane, I will win it, I will try to flip it, and everyone will jump down my throat....the witch hunt LIVES!!!!! I don't understand why everyone tries to avoid the hot potato???!!!! Will the seller send it back to PSA - HELL NO!!! Just pass the buck to someone else.....tsk tsk
I agree with everything that you said. I'm confident that the seller will do the right thing. If everyones' so worried about the card then write the card # down from the completed ebay auction. I'm not posting the auction or anything because the seller has been very professional with the process so far and he even apologized to me. I wanted the card very much.
Danny
By the way..here are my two that PSA has.....
Will let everyone know what happens....even is PSA says the grades stand.....
If I the original seller from whom I purchased the card would have accepted a return I may have gone that route.
All in all it was a learning experience and PSA does stand behind their work!
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if not, whats the reward for sending it to PSA vs sending it to the seller to get your money back?
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<< <i>BS, you return the card to the seller, let him deal with psa. >>
Passing the buck so someone else will get stuck with it! Mickey is able to do with it what he wants, but if he sends the card back to the seller, I doubt very seriously the card will make it back to PSA. That card will more than likely change hands 20 or more times, and people will not be happy. This is the same thing I got blasted for mind you....hot potato, hot potato....who has it last!!!! Mickey, I totally understand your position and how you can't reveal what the card is. All is ask is that you PLEASE warn me when it comes up for sell in Mile High, Memory Lane, etc. I have enough headaches on my plate and don't want another one!
<< <i>So PSA will refund the eBay price to the submitter of the "badly" graded card? >>
<< <i>if not, whats the reward for sending it to PSA vs sending it to the seller to get your money back? >>
Akuracy can tell you better than I can because he has actually done it, but I believe they use SMR.....
He is returning it to the person he bought it from.
Just like YOUR buyer did with you. Just like you might have been able
to do with ML had you notified them right away.
You were the one trying to pass the buck
Stop playing the victim, you sound awfully foolish.
You of all people should get the hell off this soap box.
<< <i>BS, you return the card to the seller, let him deal with psa. >>
I agree that this was an option. My problem with Mickey is he just about sprained his arm trying to pat himself on the back with his statement that he will not pass it on to the next guy when he did nothing to make sure that the card gets into the correct holder. He doesn't care what happens with the card, who gets stuck with, as long as it is not him that owns it or sold it.
I believe the 1st step is to always try to work things out between buyer and seller whether it's cards or Jeans with a busted zipper. Once again...I will state that I was not going to personally sell the card. Plus I have already discussed with the seller about the need to contact PSA about this problem- which I am confident that he will. I understand that not everyone will agree with this. As for patting myself on the back...that's BS. When I posted this; do you not think I would know that there would be differences of oponion regarding this? Sometimes topics are brought up on these boards as learning tools. I could have just went about my business but I wanted to share an experience being the customer regarding a card that the seller is willing to accept a return on because of a defect in the card. The seller did not make an exception for me....he has a clearly stated 7 day return policy. I did not wait a month and then try to sell the card.
As to Bobby: You're sounding ridiculous. You were the seller and were going to basically take a loss on the Jordan rookie that you didn't know the condition on the back of the card. That doesn't sound right to me. What were you in a hurry to sell it for? Or if I want a $600 card...I'm not in that big a hurry to sell at $610---doesn't make one bit of sense.
Mickey71
yeah the nerve of him, who is this "noone" anyways a board member?
trying to STICK another board member with a bad card and THEN refusing to take it back would be grounds for an "abammination" on most other sports forums, consider yourself lucky. let's not even discuss how to tried to hide the facts and post innocently about the issue, then try to have the board rally around you without stating the facts... -1
You of all people should get the hell off this soap box.
<< <i>I have returned a few items to PSA because of incorrect grading due to a serious flaw that was overlooked. PSA has compensated me very well with grading vouchers each time. >>
i would want cash, not vouchers.
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<< <i>As to Bobby: You're sounding ridiculous >>
Ok then....let me say this AGAIN!!! I paid $560 for a card thru Memory Lane auctions. All Star Cards based out of Kansas is currently paying $550 for the card, sight unseen. It is on their BUY list. When I saw that, I figured the risk was small, as I paid $10 over a wholesale price. VCP average is only $580. I had it on Ebay for $625. After fees, I expected to clear $580, which would be around $20 profit. I didn't mind only making that little bit, because I thought the card would sell quickly. I then noticed someone looking for one on the BST boards. I offered it to him for $575, which is what I would have made on Ebay after fees - either way, I only wanted to make between $15-$20 on the card. I never noticed the back of the card, as I recently received it in the mail, and just threw it in a pile on my desk with 30 other PSA graded cards I have haphazzardly scattered about. I thought I was helping someone out. All you naysayers can shout, "How come you didn't notice the back"? Well...I didn't. I missed this one. Shame on me. Shoot, I even miss things on the front, but that is a different story.....
<< <i>Mickey should have to waste so much of it on a situation that he had not even the slightest part in creating in the first place. >>
Well said...apparently the same sentence has different rules for different people however.... I do appreciate Mickeys honesty though. He did not have to post his situation here. He did. I applaud him for that. What I don't like is the hypocrisy and how different rules apply for different people.....hypocrisy and prejudice. I thought we were above that.....
"The (poster) doth protest too much, methinks"
now go hide for a week and we will forgive you!
Dang son. I have only one card that's worth anywhere near $500, a PSA 5 Clemente Rookie, and that thing's in a sleeve, a nice box, and under more locks than Gabe Kotter's apartment door.
Blah, blah, blah. The point you can't see is that most sellers want to see their buyer satisfied and and most sellers will take back a card their customer has a problem with no questions asked. Big deal, give the money back, and move on to next deal. Any excuses and arguments you come up with as to why you shouldn't have to deal with the problem shows the kind of seller you want to be. The only reason you eventually allowed the buyer to return the card is because of the feedback you received after posting about the situation. Once again, like the previous situation with the Mays, you should be able to learn something from these experiences. But you keep posting the same garbage and haven't learned a thing.
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<< <i>Mickey should have to waste so much of it on a situation that he had not even the slightest part in creating in the first place. >>
Well said...apparently the same sentence has different rules for different people however >>
Bobby, I'm on record as saying I believe you didn't realize the back of the Jordan card was bad when you sent it off to your buyer, because I think it's PLAUSIBLE that you acted in good faith without intentional malice.
However, that does not mean you are 0% responsible for creating the situation. Mickey did not create his situation. You contributed to yours by not carefully inspecting the Jordan card immediately upon receipt from ML. You have to take responsibility for both your actions and inaction, so you are really comparing apples and oranges here. The key difference is that Mickey inspected his card immediately upon receipt. You did not. I understand why you did not, and I'm not even really criticizing you for that, per sé, but rather for using that as an excuse to continue trying to make yourself look totally blameless.
There's a big difference between merely acting without malice, which I think you probably did, and actually being able to claim 0% responsibility for a problem. You were far from 100% responsible for what happened with the Jordan card, but also far from 0% responsible.
<< <i> I agree that this was an option. My problem with Mickey is he just about sprained his arm trying to pat himself on the back with his statement that he will not pass it on to the next guy when he did nothing to make sure that the card gets into the correct holder. He doesn't care what happens with the card, who gets stuck with, as long as it is not him that owns it or sold it. >>
Scott
Fair enough, a very valid point. If it was me? I'd handle this way. I'd return it for a refund from the person from whom
I bought it from. After that was complete, with money in hand I'd email PSA and explain the situation. If they choose to
contact the owner they can. And for what it's worth we don't know what the seller will do, nor do we know what Mickey has planned.
So, in my opinion it is a little unfair of those making claims that the seller will just pass it on (not all sellers are sleazy Bobby)
and that MIckey couldn't care less what happens to it.
Steve
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<< <i>I have returned a few items to PSA because of incorrect grading due to a serious flaw that was overlooked. PSA has compensated me very well with grading vouchers each time. >>
i would want cash, not vouchers. >>
Same here.
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<< <i>I have returned a few items to PSA because of incorrect grading due to a serious flaw that was overlooked. PSA has compensated me very well with grading vouchers each time. >>
i would want cash, not vouchers. >>
They give you a choice.