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Does this look AT? Endroll Morgan

AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
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I was surprised at this one. Sent to NGC, came back as Artificial Toning! Currently in a newer ANACS slab.

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AJ

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  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭
    Pic is a little dark but the color looks splotchy. Im going AT on this coin.
  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks AT

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks AT to me. The colors don't look right. Does the coin have good cartwheel luster, or is it dull?
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  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭
    The colors seem off.
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    I didnt think one could AT endroll bands like this coin has on the left fields. The coin has nice luster and the colors are fairly deep.
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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesnt look right to me, the folds dont look quite right. The brownish around the stars and the action behind the hair vee concerns me.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I didnt think one could AT endroll bands like this coin has on the left fields. The coin has nice luster and the colors are fairly deep. >>

    Couldn't the bands from paper be the real thing, but the color be artificial?image
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I didnt think one could AT endroll bands like this coin has on the left fields. The coin has nice luster and the colors are fairly deep. >>



    Dont tempt the docs, they can do it.
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I didnt think one could AT endroll bands like this coin has on the left fields. The coin has nice luster and the colors are fairly deep. >>



    That can easily be done by using a mask over the coin while the chemicals are applied, and then removing the mask before adding more reagent(s).
    I do this sort of thing routinely in the course of my lab research.
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Great. I guess ANACS slabs are no guarantee at all when it comes to toning.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Great. I guess ANACS slabs are no guarantee at all when it comes to toning. >>

    Don't pick on ANACS. The same thing can happen if you send a PCGS coin to NGC or NGC coin to PCGS for crossover. We're dealing with opinions, which often vary.
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great. I guess ANACS slabs are no guarantee at all when it comes to toning. >>



    No slabs provide a rock-solid NT guarantee. There are coins with artificial toning in top-tier slabs (and plenty of threads about them). The really good toning docs produce work that can fool just about anyone.
    I collect toned Morgans, among other coins. But...I want them in PCGS holders and CAC'd to protect myself in the event of a nasty surprise later on.
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,904 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm going to say not enough information. What does the reverse look like?
    Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Reverse is blast white.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks applied to my eyes. Pretty deceiving if in fact it's AT.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,681 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm calling it NT

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    What does the reverse look like?
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What does the reverse look like? >>

    See the OP's last post before yours.image
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭


    << <i>.... they can do it. >>



    What he said. They can also do simulated "tab toning" image
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What does the reverse look like? >>

    See the OP's last post before yours.image >>



    Thanks Mark.

    My guess is NT.
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    That one is bad.
  • mrcoin3mrcoin3 Posts: 384
    YUP. AT for sure. NGC got it right.
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  • mumumumu Posts: 1,840
    That light metallic teal always looks borderline questionable to me. One of things Ive noticed a lot is what I have started calling "chemical water spots" as circled below. Hard to tell if that is what it is from the photo but it looks like it:

    image
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭


    << <i>That light metallic teal always looks borderline questionable to me. One of things Ive noticed a lot is what I have started calling "chemical water spots" as circled below. Hard to tell if that is what it is from the photo but it looks like it:

    image >>



    Excellent point Mumu. Many of the new breed of "fake mint set" toners exhibit these liquid-drying tell-tales.
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    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Boy this is frustrating. Another coin I have to get rid of. Thank God people are trying to put a stop to coin doctors.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Boy this is frustrating. Another coin I have to get rid of. Thank God people are trying to put a stop to coin doctors. >>



    We will never stop them but we can police ourselves buy buying PCGS and NGC .
    And if still in dought post here,and ask questions before you purchase,not after.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Boy this is frustrating. Another coin I have to get rid of. Thank God people are trying to put a stop to coin doctors. >>



    We will never stop them but we can police ourselves buy buying PCGS and NGC .
    And if still in dought post here,and ask questions before you purchase,not after. >>

    Do you think there are a higher percentage of AT coins in ANACS holders than in PCGS and NGC ones? I don't claim to know the answer, but it sounds like you are convinced that there are.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boy this is frustrating. Another coin I have to get rid of.

    it's surprising you bought it in the first place, a common date morgan in slider condition with nondescript color?

    I'm curious what the grade is on the ANACS holder.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While I cannot testify (meaning I know with certainty) as to the originality of the tarnish in this case, I can assure you that it is not difficult to produce... as is any tarnish pattern/color/ combination. Certainly some cases are obvious (beginners), however, the good ones are very good and defy detection. Cheers, RickO
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Boy this is frustrating. Another coin I have to get rid of.

    it's surprising you bought it in the first place, a common date morgan in slider condition with nondescript color?

    I'm curious what the grade is on the ANACS holder. >>



    I bought it about 4 years ago when I started collecting. It's also a VAM (doubled stars). ANACS graded it MS62.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,904 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT or NT...........I don't think anyone can say with certainty. One thing I can say, is that I would not buy the coin as I find that toning unatractive.
    Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
  • mrcoin3mrcoin3 Posts: 384
    Statements made here as to AT or NT are merely opinions just like those of the TPG's.
    Some mean something, some do not.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Boy this is frustrating. Another coin I have to get rid of. Thank God people are trying to put a stop to coin doctors. >>



    We will never stop them but we can police ourselves by buying PCGS and NGC .
    And if still in dought post here,and ask questions before you purchase,not after. >>

    Do you think there are a higher percentage of AT coins in ANACS holders than in PCGS and NGC ones? I don't claim to know the answer, but it sounds like you are convinced that there are. >>



    I'm just more comfortable buying toned coins from the two mentioned .I have not bought
    enough ANACS toned coins to give an opinion.
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    <<< I can assure you that it is not difficult to produce... as is any tarnish pattern/color/ combination. Certainly some cases are obvious (beginners), however, the good ones are very good and defy detection. >>>





    If you say so....
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    I actually bought a coin that looked naturally toned to me in an NGC holder. Sent to PCGS, came back AT. Took it to CAC, same thing. That coin is long gone.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    so the almost right angle coloring at 9 o'clock is .........???????really????
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "If you say so.... "

    I DID say so..... Cheers, RickO

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