Anyone else think this coin is cleaned?

coinpictures

... or somehow otherwise monkeyed with?

I know that the pictures aren't the greatest and that lighting can wreak havok with perception, but the unnatural paleness of the devices compared to the fields screams "cleaned!" to me.

(I'm not considering buying it at all; it just seems to me like it belongs in a genuine holder)

llafoe

Talking about mop hair!

melvin289

What's going on with the 2nd "0" in 1800? Or is it just the lighting?

Ron

Dog97

It doesn't appear so pale that I'd call it obvious cleaning. Personally I'd like a more uniform color but it looks ok to me.

BigE

It seems like it would take over 100 years for it to develop that much crud, so I doubt it is cleaned unless it was done a long time ago. Artificial crud?---------------------BigE

coolest

looks great to me.

ricko

Not cleaned.... very nice coin. Cheers, RickO

notwilight

Nope. color looks a bit weird, most likely white balance. --Jerry

PerryHall

Looks like it may have been lightly brushed with a camel hair brush.

crypto79

lets have a conversation about late 18th Cen early American Market acceptability rates and past and present copper preservation techniques

pmac

over two hundred years old, maybe someone thought it needed a little sprucing up, maybe not (not uncommon for early collectors). I think our hosts evaluated it properly and I like the coin (the value of this opinion is only needed if I'm interested in buying).

derryb

the experts didn't think it was cleaned. If it were mine I'd be considering an overhaul by NCS.

ambro51

Have you ever taken an old coin...and made it a pocket piece for awhile? The high points lighten, while the fields remain darkish. Thats my theory here.

dsessom

Early copper is not my strongest area of interest, but it does look like it may be artificially colored just from comparing to my example which is a more common 1804 date, but almost the same grade (Mine is VF35). I have only owned two and they were both approximately the same color. Here is my 1804:

BillyKingsley

The coloration and wear pattern looks like a coin from about 100 years later. It makes me wonder if it was sitting around unciculated for a while before it entered circulation. I have a couple of British pieces from the early 1900s that look the exact same shades of brown on the high points and low points.

DoubleEagle59

In my opinion, totally doctored many moons ago.

kurtdog

It just looks to me like a coin that was exposed to two centuries of weathering.

bolivarshagnasty

What concerns me more than the color is all of the junk/verdigris around the portrait and lettering on the obverse. It would not have naturally stacked up around only those devices, which would lead me to believe that all of the easy stuff was removed and what was
left is what you see on the coin. JMHO Shag

tahoe98

...i guess this isn't one for the 'sniff' test.

kurtdog

Shag, even if she was cleaned, if that happened anywhere in the 19th Century, I believe the statute of limitations on that is 100 years.

bolivarshagnasty

<< <i>Shag, even if she was cleaned, if that happened anywhere in the 19th Century, I believe the statute of limitations on that is 100 years. >>


Yeah, I would have to agree kurtdog! Shag

Hotfootspin

I don't think that coin has been cleaned.

Mark

JRocco

She is beautiful just as she is.

joecopper

based on the pics , I would not buy this coine because it appears to have been worked on. Could be wrong but ....

coindeuce

<< <i>based on the pics , I would not buy this coin because it appears to have been worked on. Could be wrong but .... >>



JC - if you're going to make an observation like this, could you at least qualify your remarks to help educate

the copper neophytes around here, like moi?

dsessom

I think Joe means it looks to perhaps have been lacquered at some point long ago. At least, that would be my guess. But old copper is just so hard to judge for sure. Copper is very reactive and end up being any color depending on the chemical it reacts with.

joecopper

coindeuce

The orangish hue to the coin and the almost perfect crudding around the devices (seems to consistent to me) - I believe someone else alluded to that fact as well.

The color could be from the photo.

kurtdog

<< <i>

<< <i>Shag, even if she was cleaned, if that happened anywhere in the 19th Century, I believe the statute of limitations on that is 100 years. >>

Yeah, I would have to agree kurtdog! Shag >>

Well, then, case dismissed!

AnkurJ

If the green stuff is bright florescent in hand, sell the coin. That is active verdigris and is slowly corroding the coin. If it's a dull green or almost gray, then you are fine. I think the look it has is nice otherwise!