Modern junk eBay situation

rexvos · January 3, 2011 7:13AM

This happened to me and I want to hear everyone else's opinion on what you would do. I listed a pop 1 PSA 10 semistar from 1986 Donruss with a $24.99 BIN w/ best offer. I get a few messages about the card from one particular buyer. I respond politely. He then sends me an offer for 4.50. I decline and counter the offer at $15.00 and sent him a note saying that it is a Pop 1 PSA 10 and I was not going to sell it for grading fees. He responds with an offer of $4.75 saying that Mattingly and Boggs 10s sold for only $10.00 and he was not about to pay more than that for a player who was not of their ilk and that 1986 Donruss is not condition sensitive like other sets in that era. I responded that is true and that very may well be the case but who on earth would ever submit this card again if I could not get a lousy $12-15 for a Pop 1 card.

My question is if the guy really wanted the card,(due to the amount of communication over it he did) why would he not just pay the $15 or whatever? Why would you quibble over $10 or so, when the alternative is a nightmare to find a good enough raw example to submit that may get a PSA 10? I just do not understand the mindset of the buyer in this instance. Any other thoughts on this?

hhmag70 · January 3, 2011 7:20AM

IMO it is just easier to drink heavily and ignore

gameusedhoop · January 3, 2011 7:21AM

My reply, is block the buyer from your auctions ASAP. Buyers like this can be nothing but trouble. If he offered me $20 now I wouldn't take it. It's just an issue waiting to happen IMO.

Dpeck100 · January 3, 2011 7:32AM

Tell him to pound sand or better yet just don't respond.

There are some real cheap people out there and you are better just avoiding all together.

swartz1 · January 3, 2011 7:32AM

<< My reply, is block the buyer from your auctions ASAP. Buyers like this can be nothing but trouble. If he offered me $20 now I wouldn't take it. It's just an issue waiting to happen IMO. >>

+1

MBerry10 · January 3, 2011 7:45AM

I would consult with bobbyw. He seems to be the expert here on customer service.

GoDodgersFan · January 3, 2011 7:49AM

I would block this bidder and move on. Not worth your time.

rexvos · January 3, 2011 8:08AM

thanks for the replies.

I am not sure why several people feel the need to randomly take shots at people in threads where the original poster has no idea what you are talking about, or why. Are we not all adults here?

RipublicaninMass · January 3, 2011 8:16AM

<< thanks for the replies.

I am not sure why several people feel the need to randomly take shots at people in threads where the original poster has no idea what you are talking about, or why. Are we not all adults here? >>

no some are children, and people who never grew up

I get people like this all the time, best idea is to block them/ignore them. Though I will never blow a sale, these people want to see how low you are willing to go, and then they dont buy the card. They get some sort of sick pleasure that you would take less

Brick · January 3, 2011 8:57AM

This ebay buyer is obviously an idiot.

zep33 · January 3, 2011 9:00AM

This past weekend, I had a card for $24.95. Got an offer of $10. I countered with $15, He countered with $9.

He won't be countering any more

Blacklabelsociety · January 3, 2011 9:04AM

<< This past weekend, I had a card for $24.95. Got an offer of $10. I countered with $15, He countered with $9.

He won't be countering any more[/q

I had one loser offer me $45 on a $240 card. I rarely do best offers anymore cause people think they can get items for next to nothing.

Sportsamerica · January 3, 2011 9:42AM

I had someone come through and put offers in on 2.00 on a bunch of cards (ones I didn't but auto on) was a pain in the butt to respond to all..

CrazyMind2017 · January 3, 2011 9:49AM

I got you guys beat. I just had some poophead on craigslist offer me $20 for a 16x20 autographed Wade Boggs photo with Steiner COA that's in a high quality Steiner frame that retails for $100. Plus the $25 for the photo plus the $90 or $110 or so for the signature. $20! I know Steiner prices are insane, but that's like 10 cents on the dollar to what Steiner would charge. He wasn't even offering full retail on the unsigned, unframed color photo.

I wrote back, "thanks for wasting my time." He responded, "I'm not sure how I wasted your time. I made an offer and I don't think you'll get more than that from anybody else, but you can try."

I didn't bother communicating with him after that.

Boggs framed 16x20

vladguerrero · January 3, 2011 10:00AM

<< I got you guys beat. I just had some poophead on craigslist offer me $20 for a 16x20 autographed Wade Boggs photo with Steiner COA that's in a high quality Steiner frame that retails for $100. Plus the $25 for the photo plus the $90 or $110 or so for the signature. $20! I know Steiner prices are insane, but that's like 10 cents on the dollar to what Steiner would charge. He wasn't even offering full retail on the unsigned, unframed color photo.

I wrote back, "thanks for wasting my time." He responded, "I'm not sure how I wasted your time. I made an offer and I don't think you'll get more than that from anybody else, but you can try."

I didn't bother communicating with him after that.

Boggs framed 16x20 >>

would you take $25 for the Boggs? I also have about $10 in old stamps I soaked off envelopes to be re-used (no ink marks!) and a 2 for 1 Whopper coupon I'll throw in. let me know, I don't want to waste your time...

Zeeck · January 3, 2011 10:30AM

Your cards all suck. The sooner you realize that, the happier you'll be. You're welcome.

rexvos · January 3, 2011 10:39AM

<< Your cards all suck. The sooner you realize that, the happier you'll be. You're welcome. >>

I am just glad to see you were able to use your and you're correctly in the same post. Congratulations. Also I blame you for the Bears not eliminating the Packers from the playoffs.

scotgreb · January 3, 2011 10:41AM

Rexvos -- you might want to set up your auto accept/reject parameters with you BIN/OBO -- it definitely helps avoid this type of situation.

Scott

rexvos · January 3, 2011 10:43AM

<< Rexvos -- you might want to set up your auto accept/reject parameters with you BIN/OBO -- it definitely helps avoid this type of situation.

Scott >>

I do on most. I just thought this was so ludicrous it was worth a post.

WinPitcher · January 3, 2011 10:50AM

<< and that 1986 Donruss is not condition sensitive like other sets in that era >>

It isn't?

I probably would not have emailed him more than 1x.

Steve

Zeeck · January 3, 2011 10:51AM

<< 
I am just glad to see you were able to use your and you're correctly in the same post. Congratulations. >>

Thanks, I've been practicing all week.

mcadams · January 3, 2011 11:26AM

<< This happened to me and I want to hear everyone else's opinion on what you would do. I listed a pop 1 PSA 10 semistar from 1986 Donruss with a $24.99 BIN w/ best offer. I get a few messages about the card from one particular buyer. I respond politely. He then sends me an offer for 4.50. I decline and counter the offer at $15.00 and sent him a note saying that it is a Pop 1 PSA 10 and I was not going to sell it for grading fees. He responds with an offer of $4.75 saying that Mattingly and Boggs 10s sold for only $10.00 and he was not about to pay more than that for a player who was not of their ilk and that 1986 Donruss is not condition sensitive like other sets in that era. I responded that is true and that very may well be the case but who on earth would ever submit this card again if I could not get a lousy $12-15 for a Pop 1 card.

My question is if the guy really wanted the card,(due to the amount of communication over it he did) why would he not just pay the $15 or whatever? Why would you quibble over $10 or so, when the alternative is a nightmare to find a good enough raw example to submit that may get a PSA 10? I just do not understand the mindset of the buyer in this instance. Any other thoughts on this? >>

Are you really offended by low offers? Seriously? If low offers offend you, maybe you should reconsider being a seller... I realize the guy is a douchebag for offering you 4.50, but it only takes you 1 second to click NO and then you can move on with your life. You don't have to send the guy emails, just click NO to his offer and move on. End of story.

Dpeck100 · January 3, 2011 11:30AM

I have to agree with McAdams.

Tell them to beat or don't reply but in life this is a non event.

rexvos · January 3, 2011 11:31AM

<< 

<< This happened to me and I want to hear everyone else's opinion on what you would do. I listed a pop 1 PSA 10 semistar from 1986 Donruss with a $24.99 BIN w/ best offer. I get a few messages about the card from one particular buyer. I respond politely. He then sends me an offer for 4.50. I decline and counter the offer at $15.00 and sent him a note saying that it is a Pop 1 PSA 10 and I was not going to sell it for grading fees. He responds with an offer of $4.75 saying that Mattingly and Boggs 10s sold for only $10.00 and he was not about to pay more than that for a player who was not of their ilk and that 1986 Donruss is not condition sensitive like other sets in that era. I responded that is true and that very may well be the case but who on earth would ever submit this card again if I could not get a lousy $12-15 for a Pop 1 card.

My question is if the guy really wanted the card,(due to the amount of communication over it he did) why would he not just pay the $15 or whatever? Why would you quibble over $10 or so, when the alternative is a nightmare to find a good enough raw example to submit that may get a PSA 10? I just do not understand the mindset of the buyer in this instance. Any other thoughts on this? >>

Are you really offended by low offers? Seriously? If low offers offend you, maybe you should reconsider being a seller... I realize the guy is a douchebag for offering you 4.50, but it only takes you 1 second to click NO and then you can move on with your life. You don't have to send the guy emails, just click NO to his offer and move on. End of story. >>

Not necessarily the low offer. It is how he went about it.

otwcards · January 3, 2011 11:34AM

While I may be one of the more verbose posters on the boards, I tend to be rather short when I get what I consider silly offers. I don't feel the necessity to educate a buyer on what I consider proper pricing. Such exercises rarely end up going anywhere remotely to the good. My response, if there is any, is, "No, thank you."

In an attempt to avoid such when posting a BIN with BO feature, I set the auto-decline at a penny below my auto-accept price with the following message, "Thank you for your offer, but I will respectfully decline at this time. Most offers in the neighborhood of 90% of my listed price will be considered and/or accepted. Thank you and if we're close, please feel free to make another offer." This way, I don't have to worry about seeing their offer or reading their rationale for why they should be able to get the item for whatever they're offering to pay. Luckily, most items are listed at reasonable prices and do sell and I have only had a few people email asking questions about the price. If the contact is inane, it gets ignored. No sense opening dialog that will only aggravate me.

CDsNuts · January 3, 2011 11:37AM

Tell them to beat

That hardly seems appropriate.

hhmag70 · January 3, 2011 11:51AM

<< 

Tell them to beat >>

Beat what?

Zixx · January 3, 2011 5:32PM

When I get an offer that is just stupidly low, I figure it's not worth an explanation other than something like: "Sorry, I can't sell it for that low." And leave it at that. the more you try to explain, the more they feel drawn to a conversation, which rarely leads anywhere.

Also, if someone has a card listed with a BO for $25, why open the doors for lame offers and more time dealing with people? List it for the price you want, say $20 and let it sit in your Ebay store if you have one. BO features just tell morons that they can offer you 25-50% of your BIN price. How often does anyone get a first offer of 90%? Never? Best Offer feature is a nice idea, but quite often a waste of time.

alnavman · January 3, 2011 10:10PM

Breakfast is my favorite meal.

larryallen73 · January 4, 2011 1:38AM

Some people negotiate everything. I would have politely told him no and ended the back and forth emails. Nothing good will come with it.

Reminds me a garage sale I had a few years ago. A lady was buying one item that was under a dollar. Let's say it was 75 cents. She came up to me and said, "would you take a quarter for this?" I don't remember what I did but I think I took the quarter and laughed out loud. Obviously, the correct thing would have been to give it to her for free and say "obviously you need the quarter more than I do."

People!

NickM · January 4, 2011 3:21AM

Sometimes it's the seller who initiates communication on BIN/BO cards. I put in a $1.50 offer (plus $1.50 shipping) on a parallel #/100 of a semistar (from a set I collect heavily). The seller's original BIN price was $10. He emails me back saying that my offer is ridiculous because Beckett says that's a $12 card. I email back that Beckett prices do not reflect actual sales, with a link to the closed auctions page that covers other cards from that set, which went off from $0.99 to $3.99 (including shipping). He then sends me an email that he can't sell it for that low because he paid more than that for it.

The card is still in his eBay store, over a year later.

Nick

bking · January 4, 2011 3:35AM

<< Sometimes it's the seller who initiates communication on BIN/BO cards. I put in a $1.50 offer (plus $1.50 shipping) on a parallel #/100 of a semistar (from a set I collect heavily). The seller's original BIN price was $10. He emails me back saying that my offer is ridiculous because Beckett says that's a $12 card. I email back that Beckett prices do not reflect actual sales, with a link to the closed auctions page that covers other cards from that set, which went off from $0.99 to $3.99 (including shipping). He then sends me an email that he can't sell it for that low because he paid more than that for it.

The card is still in his eBay store, over a year later.

Nick >>

bottomfeeder

PowderedH2O · January 4, 2011 3:45AM

I do a lot of Best Offer/BIN's as the customer. I know quite well that if I offer 20% of what a seller is asking that I have very little chance of getting that item. When I make an offer, I look at VCP and I see what is a realistic price for that item or similar items. I will usually include that information with my offer. If a seller has a BIN that is outrageously high, I just don't waste my time with that seller, because I know we are not going to make a deal. Rexvos, in your case, the $24.99 is not unreasonable. I am actually surprised you came down to $15 so quickly. I think $15 is QUITE reasonable, and I would not budge. I also agree with some of the earlier posters that suggested that you block the bidder. You aren't going to make money selling to this person. You aren't going to get a customer that will buy from you often in the future. At most, you will make a few bucks. Potentially, you will be sending a paypal refund for someone that has already established themselves to be argumentative and may give you a negative. So my advice is to block them and leave your item up at the original price and go on.

Sam

mtcards · January 4, 2011 5:40AM

I hate that the card industry has become such a group of want something for nothing crowds. I can just see these people going into the grocery store and offering 25 cents for a $2 loaf of bread. The Best Offer feature is one of the stupidest things ebay has created, it literally invites stupid people to push buttons

WinPitcher · January 4, 2011 5:45AM

Has become?

bking · January 4, 2011 6:07AM

<< I hate that the card industry has become such a group of want something for nothing crowds. I can just see these people going into the grocery store and offering 25 cents for a $2 loaf of bread. The Best Offer feature is one of the stupidest things ebay has created, it literally invites stupid people to push buttons >>

I agree its an annoyance, but consider life without it. Given that they aren't smart enough to lower insertion fees (or raise the threshold for the $.99 fee), it's pretty hard to list a semi-high value card (or, even better, a non-card item like household stuff) that you're ready to move. Do you keep relisting at a lower BIN each time it expires, racking up those fees, do you risk letting the item go for a $.99 start, or do you let the market help you find a price you can live with? I vote #3, which is a BIN/BO.

Modern junk eBay situation

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