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Posting this for a lurker, would welcome any grade thoughts and comments on the toning.

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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...very very nice! 65 image
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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 was the first thing that popped into my head.
    Maybe 65. The toning is o.k. but I wouldn't pay a premium for it.
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    pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920 ✭
    NT and gorgeous! And I don't see anything that should hold it back from making 65.
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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Toning is neutral - MS64
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    al410al410 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭✭
    I really like the coin, looks 65 to me and I like the toning also.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I came up with a 65 as well

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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    It looks like an attractive MS64+ (or, if you prefer, MS65-) to me.
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I were to submit it, it would come back as a 64... therefore, I say 64.

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    clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    I just checked the Price Gude. What are the pluses? +

    They must have changed the grading system when I wasn't looking. image

    I'll guess 64 based on the cheek, but I'm seldom right about these things. image
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    SG1SG1 Posts: 121
    Too much chatter on the cheek for a 65, toning is neutral to me. A decent coin.
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    etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    I actually like the toning on this Morgan and it would be worth a premium to me.

    It looks like a solid 64 to my eye.


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    sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭
    I say 64, as others have said, the cheek is the limiting factor. Naturally toned, IMO.
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    ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    Nice 64...........I like the clash.




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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a chance for a 65.

    strict 63, most likely a 64.
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    MS63. Nice color!
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice 64...........I like the clash. >>



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    MS64 and a nice lip, nose, chin die clash on the reverse.
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    breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Todd,
    I like the reverse toning a lot. Knowing nothing about Morgans, I will guess 65.

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    MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭✭
    64 or 65. I like the toning.
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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    66. I wanna be different.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would like it as a 64 but not a 65.................MJ
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    MesquiteMesquite Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭
    I like it, MS64 maybe, MS63 likely. The toning is great.
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    HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice NT color and I think it has a shot at 64.

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    BillyGoatsGruffBillyGoatsGruff Posts: 640
    64+
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not a toning fan.

    I'm not a "lots of scuffs on cheek" fan either, so I'll say it should be no higher than MS63.
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    kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭


    << <i>It looks like an attractive MS64+ (or, if you prefer, MS65-) to me. >>



    +1

    The hits on the eyebrow, in the hair above the ear and the bit of scuffiness on the cheek and nose tip I think will keep it out of a 5 Holder but it certainly a PQ64 and while the toning pattern obverse to reverse is strange it doesn't look AT to me.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS63...maybe 64.... the tarnish is disgusting and distracting. Cheers, RickO
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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 NT , nice
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    NewRoseNewRose Posts: 309 ✭✭
    The fields are remarkably clean but the cheek has way to many hits to be a MS65.
    I would call it a MS64.

    the toning is very nice, and of course it would command a nice premium.

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    ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Too much chatter on the cheek for a 65, toning is neutral to me. A decent coin. >>



    Ditto...

    I like the toning, but I believe it to cap at a 64... and no "+"
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    ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am in the 64 crowd due to the cheek....I like the reverse!

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    kurtdogkurtdog Posts: 1,456
    OK, last post, have to go. Technical MS-64. Market MS-65 for that toning.
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    anablepanablep Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63+ or 64 due to cheek chatter. Nice color, nice coin, common date.
    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    I don't like the color to be honest. While I am sure it has a market for that look, I would call it AT as it isn't in the 3 or 4 most commen patterns and color combos for the type and move on to the next coin to be graded if I was doing the grading.
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    anablepanablep Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would call it AT as it isn't in the 3 or 4 most commen patterns and color combos for the type and move on to the next coin to be graded if I was doing the grading. >>



    While the colors are not in strict keeping with Sunnywood's progression, the pull-away effect is seen around the stars and date and that helps me decide if it is NT.
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    kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭
    I'll go with 64
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    garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Im gonna go with 63 Todd. The cheek is a killer. The fields look good on both sides though.
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    DurmexDurmex Posts: 104
    NICE COIN....64.....VERY NICE TONING
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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To much chatter on the cheek for a 5, IMHO.
    3 or 4, with some nice color.
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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭
    Borderline MS63/64

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    dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭
    I'm seeing solid 64 with some character for the natural toning and the clash marks.
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    FrankiefanaticFrankiefanatic Posts: 325


    << <i>Posting this for a lurker, would welcome any grade thoughts and comments on the toning.

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    Well- can I add my 2 1/2 cents for a moment.

    what I see from your photo shows a nice amount of luster, that might be a bit diffused by the lighting (could be wrong), the marks on the cheek look to be partial frost breaks along with the type of friction one might find from a bag toned Morgan. The reverse is like a kaleidoscope of coloring that makes the eagle almost look like the NBC peacack.

    What I think holds this common date coin back from a grade of 65 or better is in the hairline above the ear, the flattened appearance makes me think this was at the mid point of the process thus making this a mid die state coin, pressure was increased as noticed in the markings on both obv/rev (I love the little ticking under the jowl- looks cool).

    Not being an expert- I think with the NT color of this coin- it could grade 65 at either TPG today, but what type of holder is this in?

    I like this coin, even if I am the FRANKIEfanatic..

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    golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    Its a 64. It may get labeled a 65 due to the toning but toning should not factor inot the grade because the desirability of same is subjective so it should be discounted and the coin should grade on its technical merits and the market can decide the value based on its toning. OK I am done now! image

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