<< <i>By the way, as a buyer I would merely ask for the images and not tell my life story as well. The less you tip your hand as to why you want the images, the better off you will be, especially if you are trying to cherrypick a variety or an undergraded coin. >>
rlarick, this suggestion if from a buyers point of view, if you want to be smart about it and minimize your acquisition cost. >>
I have learned a lot from this forum. Most certainly, I have now learned that! obviously my other way... (communicating with honesty with supporting info) didn't work! LOL .. Thank you to all who continue to offer insight and advice with the finer points of buying. Now back to the drama/soap opera.
I got a Merry Christmas message from SaturnCoin! Super cool present, especially seeing how I might have ruined this guy's Xmas.
I will mention two things. The first is a comment about what you wrote-
"What is the big deal with returns, isn't that to be expected when selling high grade coins?"
Truly, I do not expect returns when I sell coins, though of course anyone who buys from me has the right to return a coin within my return period. I also do not sell on ebay so I am not exactly the same type of dealer as this ebay seller. However, there is a real downside to returns. The first is that once a coin is returned and put back for sale some bidders will wonder what was wrong with the coin for it to be returned. Alternatively, they may wonder if shill bidding had happened previously. Perhaps this is not fair, but it will happen. Additionally, if the coin sold for a strong price then that price might not be replicated and the seller feels as though they lost some incremental amount. Lastly, the cost of postage as well as the small amount of time for shipping, etc...is real for the seller and this is especially true for someone attempting to make an honest living from ebay or other coin sales. Therefore, returns aren't a happy instance for sellers and most sellers attempt to avoid returns.
The other comment is that yes, I would like to see what saturncoin said or gave to you.
i asked a seller a question one time about shipping and got blocked from bidding. as much agrevation ( i thought ) as it was i realize he did me a favor he later replied he was to busy to answer questions. go figure
Ask a simple question, especially from someone you don't know
Look at all "auctions" for certified (major TPG) like they are no-return, even if they allow returns. Use the return priveledge sparingly for the reasons already stated. Obviously if it's a POS where problems were hidden or not disclosed or it's a total SNAD, that's one thing ... otherwise, my feeling is, you bid you buy in an auction
Be respectful and honest in your dealings
After you get to know a seller (via eBay, the Web, here) then you can say, hey Dave, what do you think of that coin ... will it fit in my XYZ set?
and yes, I would also like to see the mail from saturncoins
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
On Dec-24-10 at 13:34:58 PST, seller added the following information:
A note to my good friends on the PCGS forum: There is a bit more to the story regarding the blocked bidder. It seems that he is now contemplating bidding with an alternate account. Not good, especially if he wishes to remain on Ebay. There is always a bit more to the story, but as we have painfully learned, some on the forum like to opine with only half of the facts. Thank you to those that keep an open mind and a Merry Christmas to all.
Ask a simple question, especially from someone you don't know................................
.........................................yes, I would also like to see the mail from saturncoins >>
Changed my mind.. We are messaging back and forth thru eBay now. So I don't want to make him any more mad than he already is by posting our conversations. If he doesn't remove the block after he is done messaging back and forth, then yes, I will post the dialogues. Seems fair to me...
What I am learning/finding out is that............... while I am not sure about this...... that this seller may be irked by my eBay listings. My listings do not meet eBays requirements of showing the full slab front and back. I have full High res pics and only as much of the label as I can fit under the macro lens..(it does include cert# & grade) Quite frankly, I think the images in my listings hurt sales in that they exaggerate imperfections. I did tell him that "I will add the full slab pics to my listings, now will you unblock me?"
Further more my listings have an antagonistic remark of:
.............Keep in mind when reviewing these images, that unlike most coin listings here on eBay - you can see every little nuance, tick, ding, bag mark, scratch, die polishing in some cases. In many of the images, the lighting was positioned in such a way, as to best capture the luster..........
So, I can see how that might also irk a dealer into taking the time to enter my name into his blocked from bidding list.?? really?
I do want to quote this from the seller:
<< <i>You speculated that a CAC sticker implies a plus grade. it is merely a fourth party opinion that the coin meets the grade stated. >>
Also apparently, I am breaking rule #8 on here, which I have not looked at yet/don't remember.. I just know that I have read a lot of threads re: block this bidder..... is this seller legit?.... and other eBay specific B/S issues. I thought it quite appropriate for me to post my experience from the blocked buyer side of things.
Here again, I am new to all of coin etiquette, including selling on eBay. I have time to figure out how to maybe.... build a better mousetrap. I hope to learn 80% what you guys all know in one/tenth the time it took you to learn... key word = hope. Not that this matters... My current listings are the start of building an eBay store inventory, frankly I don't care if anything sells. not yet.
Last babbling paragraph/note to self. I need to watch my aggressive "Git 'er done" attitude that has worked for me over the years, it doesn't work with coin collectors! Merry Christmas everyone! To those who are posting today, you all are the real coin fiends, huh!?
Off to go make my traditional artery clogging carrot cake! BBL
The way you are handling this, and wording this, I would be tempted to put you on MY block list...
Things like "using my wife's account to buy and return" and " If he doesn't remove the block after he is done messaging back and forth, then yes, I will post the dialogues. Seems fair to me..."
There are other coins, just move on. The way you are hanging on this is weird and doesn't shine a good light on you, imho.
As unfriendly as eBay is to sellers, I think they're a lot more skittish since they have almost no recourse. I know I am... it's just not worth the trouble any more- blocking is much easier.
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<< <i>I'm pretty sure you need one of my MS67RB examples, but I do have some extra 66RBs as well... >>
all the way from Maui... you just love tormenting me don't ya! I don't know why I keep saying 66RB. Andy hooked me up with a 66RB - might be from that same group?
now about that 67RB, will you get a green bean on it, and send me hi res pics? I need to know whether or not to go to 67RD money! jokes..
I received an email from the seller (saturncoin) yesterday afternoon and just read it a few minutes ago. Can I prove that this is not a spoof email? No, but I have confidence that it is real-
"Tom: I am Mark from Saturncoin, the seller of the 2 1909 VDB coins that are referenced in a recent forum thread that you responded to.
I have no bone to pick with the bidder, layedoffliquidator and hope that he has a fine Christmas.
The fact is as a full time Ebay seller with more than one account, I really depend on the top seller discount and am forced to use care when I can and avoid potential problems. The seller mentioned ms66 money on these coins, yet they are MS65's. No where do I state otherwise. I looked up his past feedback on Toolhaus and he has left quite a few Neg/Neutrals in the last 2 years that cause we a bit of concern.
This is more of an Ebay problem then a bidder/seller issue and if I had a regular coin selling website, he would be welcome at any time.
Please feel free to print this on the forum.
Mark
My advice to rlarick would be to put this exchange and auction behind him and continue his collecting from other sellers.
Don't worry about it being a spoof. I also received a message from Mark through my web site. After corresponding with him and reading the additional posts from this buyer, I've condluded that his instincts were correct when he blocked him.
<< <i>Why didn't you just say you would like to see bigger pictures?
My head hurts just from reading your message.
I believe he was trying to do you a favor and not letting you bid on a coin that would not likely meet your needs. >>
I agree, except these are coins that I really wanted to bid on. and I wanted see details so that I could determine how high I would bid so I wouldn't have a buyers remorse issue of course he couldn't know that, especially in retrospect of having numerous coin dealers comments on how my message might have been interperted.. I should add that I ask for pics all the time. Normally I don't get a reply, some say thats all they have, 1 out of 10 sends original scans/jpgs.
jeeeeeez! I get it, I screwed up by providing too much confusing information. What is happening now is what I don't get.... still after all of this, especially since I have done more than enough to validate my intentions.... that I don't buy coins as if it was an approval service......
That I am still being blocked? Makes no sense to me on why someone would want to limit a bidding pool. whatever.. I think thats just plain dumb.
As I have said, and I will say again. It is his loss not mine.
BTW everyone, my opinions are what you paid for them.. Please keep that in mind!
If anyone cares to know the details of my messaging back and forth. here you go.
Rob: You have spent the better part of Christmas Eve bashing my Lincoln images. They may not be great but they follow the listing rules of Ebay. Unfortunately your 50 PCGS coins do not. Each coin must show a full front slab image. Pre 1980 coins must show the reverse slab as well. I enclosed a pasting of the rules, but most anyone on the PCGS board can confirm this for you.
In addition, listings for certified coins must include an image of the item, showing the coin in its graded holder. The image needs to be clear and the grading company, grade, and certification number should easily be readable.
Note: Coins minted before 1980 must show the full front and back of the holder. Coins minted in 1980 or after must show the full front of the holder.
Regards,
Mark
---------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY:
I think you misunderstand completely. "You have spent the better part of Christmas Eve bashing my Lincoln images" I am not bashing your images, not at all. I am bashing why you blocked me! Certainly you know detail oriented coin buyers? obviously! you know about CAC, you are selling 2 of them together.
Ironically I got a message from a well known Lincoln collector last night, asking why I am messing with those 2 coins - that the one on the right, is clearly RB! I told him, that would be great! that would be a perfect addition to my Lincoln Case Study.... ie... PCGS Grading set.
I am aware of the rules Mark. Too lazy to change the lens on my camera to get the whole slab in. Let me guess, you reported the items? I have been holding my breathe for the day, when I get the message for an improper listing. I figure due to the resolution of the images, that that sort of negates the "rule". Rules are Rules, but lets examine why eBay requires full pictures of the slab.... I am pretty sure it is due to past sellers playing games with slabbed coins. Wouldn't you?
Did you remove the block yet?
And Mark, seriously, go to the registry part of the CU forums, you will find that I am building a showcase grading set for my own education (and others) for the ever ending subject of grading.
You will see in my thread that there are several instances where I said that I am looking for multiple examples in each of the grades. I wish you had known all of this in advance of blocking me.
If you don't want me bidding so be it, thats fine. Oh! I also know that there is no way you can know whether or not I would be a hassle to deal with. Just a peice of advice. Operate on the once burned, twice shy philosophy, it will do more for you over the long run.
Sorry if this has irritated you for the holidays. I posted that thread for a lot of different reasons related to collecting.
My sincere happy holidays to you Mark!
------------------------------------------------------------------- He then replies:
Rob: The forum members are trying to help you a bit, and I can as well as I have been in the rare coin business for many years.
First off you are assuming many things that are incorrect. Start with your thread that has nothing directly to do with a given coin, but an Ebay seller. It is in violation of rule #8 on the posting rules.
You assume that the imaging requirements do not apply to you due to your high quality images. You are incorrect. Many fraudulent Ebay transactions led to this requirement as folks were listing coins that they did not possess. the full imaging has ended much of that problem.
You speculated that a CAC sticker implies a plus grade. it is merely a fourth party opinion that the coin meets the grade stated.
Finally you assumed that I reported your images to Ebay. I have not. I gave you a heads up and you can take it for what it is worth. Posting my earlier email on the forum is fine with me, but you may risk other forum members contacting Ebay.
Regards,
Mark
------------------------------------- I then replied:
Dear saturncoin,
Thank you for those viewpoints. It does mirror the stereotypical attitude(albeit narrow- mindedness) that I run into all the time now that I am getting in deeper with coinage. Thank goodness there are others who don't fit that mold because I think it hurts the hobby.
I get it, that I am breaking rules. I also hope that you get it, that you made an overly rash decision in blocking me for simply asking for better pics to be sent.
I am new to collecting, and quite frankly if every new person who is serious about collecting is treated the way I am. What will that do for helping to grow the hobby/value of those rare coins? Shouldn't you long time coin people, be doing what you can to be inviting and encouraging?
Threads on CU related to eBay have been very interesting and quite frequent and draw my attention, since I do spend a lot of time with eBay. I was just following the lead regarding the post.
You obviously are smart enough to see that while, my listings don't show the full slab, that there is obviously nothing wrong with them, that due to the type of images on my listing, that the reason why eBay requires full images of the slabs.... is negated by the type of photos. In other words, it would be easier to be fraudulent with full slab pics than it would with my listing, would it not?
Now with that said, I'll go ahead and switch lens around and get full pics of each slab added to the listings in the next few days.
Will you unblock me? oh question! when were those 2 09vdb stickered? the reason I ask, as you know, copper often does change within the slab. the coin on the right looks RB? Regardless of whether a CAC sticker is equal to a plus grade or not, the biggest reason for my wanting them is for the exact reason of the set they would go into - A GRADING SET!
Last sort of funny note. I thought it would take 30 coins to complete the set, then there were the DDO's, then the plus grades, NOW CAC stickers. HA!
Rob
-------------------- it hasn't ended yet! LOL he now replies minutes after I posted here about my surprise related to what he told another member. He replies.....
Rob: I did not block you because of the request for better images or that I feared returns. I checked the feedback that you had left for others on Ebay and 10 or 11 were either negatives or neutrals. I understand the ones for non delivery but I scratch my head about the ones regarding shipping charges. I suspect that you tried to get a deal after the fact from sellers and when they didn't comply, you zinged them with bad feedback.
I sell coins for a living and depend on the 20% Ebay discount as part of my income. This is a very low profit business so any amount is important. Ebay has set the bar so high for sellers (as you acknowledged on a forum post), that even one or two dissatisfied buyers can cause considerable harm. I appreciate your desire to pick up only the best coins for your set, but coin shows and dealers without the constraints of Ebay as a sales venue may be a better place for you.
Regards,
Mark
------------ I reply at this point with incredulousness:
Look Mark,
Did you also happen to notice the number of buys? of course you did! I sometimes go on huge buying binges. Rarely do I have a problem. I have seller message me when they list.. etc etc dozens know me on a first name basis.. Some, however as I am sure you know, are just flat out unreasonable. Those have deservedly gotten the neutral or negative. Those who put stuff up for auction and probably didn't get what they wanted and figure to recoup from penny ante shipping charges???? They were all petty amounts, we are talking about $20 purchases!! ending with angry messages from sellers, how they were going to turn me in, etc etc etc. The irony is you offer free shipping!!!! so why would you worry?
More irony..
I debate with others on different forums all the time. A favorite point/opinion is to look for sellers that offer free shipping. IMO That is a very good indication of a seller who has done their homework and is in business, to be in business. I am sure you can imagine how I get blasted over that.
Mark, seriously, I am saddened that eBay has created such an air of mistrust that you would block me over my request.. even if I was offering what appeared as unreasonable amount of money. All you had to do was look at the showcase set, send me a reply.. ask for a reference whatever... communicate!
I now wonder after the amount of time I have spent with this, why you still haven't removed the block or send me the original pics?
You obviously are well hooked into the coin community and I am not. Maybe read my intro thread? forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm? catid=30&threadid=794152
It just makes no sense at this point .
Rob
------------------------------- I'm not done yet! lol.. actually I am P'O'd - Why won't he let me give him my money?
Dear saturncoin,
Hey I have to add.. I DO NOT WANT ONLY THE BEST COINS FOR MY SET! I am not a registry set competitor. Oh god, I think I figured it out.... actually the converse is true.. please read the thread on PCGS in the Registry forum titled my first registry set.
Yeah I can imagine that registry set guys are a pain! lol.. then again they mostly only buy grading labels correct? anyways..
lighten up and spread some good karm and let me have a shot at those coins.
I will be sure to give you credit in the notes.
no games Mark.. I just want CAC stickered vdb's to add to the GRADING set as an examples.
------------------- and for the coup de tat....
Dear saturncoin,
Last message.. this is what I was thinking when I said MS66 money.. I just won this one.
(It was link to a closed eBay listing from 12/16 for $16 over the posted PCGS value of a MS65RD 09 VDB LWC)
First, it was the way I asked the question, then the seller tells someone else, it was because of negatives that I had left over shipping on 1500+ items over 2 years, (even though he offers free shipping) to now saying that I harrassed him? How so? He contacted me, I pleaded for a chance to bid on his coins, in reply.
And, comments like the part I bolded, along with some of your posts in this thread, is likely why the seller was paranoid and blocked you. For some, ebay is a big part of life and they want to sell, not hear the stories, and not play games. For them, it isn't "fun".
We already had a recent thread where an ebay buyer followed someone from another coin board to ebay and bought a coin just to return it and screw with his feedback/ratings. Fun?
I'm not sure why folks get their undies all bunched when they are blocked from bidding....? I am likely blocked by a few I have had CU disagreements with and, if I were/am, then I will move on if I mistakenly try to bid. Same for anything on ebay....if I try to bid, and get blocked, I will move on. Doubt if I will create a thread and, if I were, I really don't think I would whine and whine about it.
I feel sorry for Saturncoins on all this....waste of time because someone screws around.
My guess is that 95% of the forum members who have read this thread and sell coins on ebay have blocked you by now. Let it go before the rest of them follow suit.
<< <i>I feel sorry for Saturncoins on all this....waste of time because someone screws around. >>
I do too. he could have had an easy painless sale. Its just amazing that after all this and he still wouldn't sell to the highest bidder. (which would have been me) After all, this guy makes a living from eBay sales. All he had to do was remove the block and everything would have been hunky dory... instead he messaged me about bashing his images? After a lengthy plea, he then goes on about rules I am breaking... was that the reason for the block?? lol I plead again, and he replies that he blocked me for negatives over shipping when he offers free shipping?? yet didn't say that in the first 2 messages??? oh c'mon..
I was just trying to find out why I was blocked.. I got my answer.
<< <i>On Dec-25-10 at 19:12:06 PST, seller added the following information:
Sorry to end the auction early but I have been harassed for one day by a blocked bidder and figured that it was best to just drop the listing instead of letting a high volume, low maintenance buyer overbid on these common coins. >>
<< <i>My guess is that 95% of the forum members who have read this thread and sell coins on ebay have blocked you by now. Let it go before the rest of them follow suit. >>
Ayup. For multiple reasons stemming from this thread and his responses. Mark was smart, imho.
<< <i>My guess is that 95% of the forum members who have read this thread and sell coins on ebay have blocked you by now. Let it go before the rest of them follow suit. >>
Ayup. For multiple reasons stemming from this thread and his responses. Mark was smart, imho. >>
Glad to know my thread is working! I need to know who the good sellers are and who the not so good ones are. Block away!!! I need to narrow down the pool. I am being sarcastic/antagonistic of course, but there is a certain level of truth, if a dealer can't see my true colors or better yet, the color of the my money because of the way I type, then they..... awwww just forget it! cause now I am getting ornery.. it's late. LOL
Hey really, I got a lot of good information out of this thread and I do appreciate those who took the time to post their thoughts. It is helpful from both the buying and selling side of things. I pick and choose my battles wisely and while it might not make sense to a lot of you, I got what I needed out of this thread and you likely won't hear this type of thread from me again, not on this subject for sure.
<< <i>My guess is that 95% of the forum members who have read this thread and sell coins on ebay have blocked you by now. Let it go before the rest of them follow suit. >>
It's certainly closer to 100% now. Why does this guy remind me of someone else here, LOL!
<< <i> now about that 67RB, will you get a green bean on it, and send me hi res pics? I need to know whether or not to go to 67RD money! jokes.. >>
Since I have two of them that are pretty PQ, I thought about sending both in for a SecurePlus regrade to see if one of them might get bumped to 67+RB... then you'd have to buy both of them!!!
All of those RB VDBs in the previous photo were from the same dealer (not Andy) and were part of a group of a few original rolls recently submitted and were cherrypicked out by me as the best of the bunch. I'm 100% confident they'd get CAC stickered if I sent them in, but I've never done CAC on any of my coins and have no current plans to start.
P.S. Golfing in Maui on Christmas Day today was pretty nice sure beats a white Christmas!!!
<< <i>The way you are handling this, and wording this, I would be tempted to put you on MY block list...
Things like "using my wife's account to buy and return" and " If he doesn't remove the block after he is done messaging back and forth, then yes, I will post the dialogues. Seems fair to me..."
There are other coins, just move on. The way you are hanging on this is weird and doesn't shine a good light on you, imho. >>
No you don't, you've been stirring a pot over a common coin for 2 days now...the seller made the correct decision blocking you. I'm sure you got some satisfaction in him losing money with his listing fee and wasting his time.
<< <i> now about that 67RB, will you get a green bean on it, and send me hi res pics? I need to know whether or not to go to 67RD money! jokes. >>
Since I have two of them that are pretty PQ, I thought about sending both in for a SecurePlus regrade to see if one of them might get bumped to 67+RB... then you'd have to buy both of them!!! >>
Deal! but rather than gambling with secure plus, just sell em to me and I will submit to CAC - get the green bean - then list on eBay with off-color pics showing little detail - then block anyone who asks for additional or better pictures who states their intent..
there are a few 1909 VDBs on Teletrade today ( I guess there always are a few on Teletrade)
after a few purchases, you get used to the photos and buyers premium and shipping fees they ship well and quick and have returns possible with restocking fee
I too think he figured you'd buy the coins, see they wouldn't upgrade, and return them. Right or wrong, i too got a similar vibe from your email. In the future just ask if the seller has any larger images available, and if so to email them to you.
Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!
Now I'm beginning to understand the impetus behind HRH's "out of control" post!
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<< <i>there are a few 1909 VDBs on Teletrade today ( I guess there always are a few on Teletrade)
after a few purchases, you get used to the photos and buyers premium and shipping fees they ship well and quick and have returns possible with restocking fee >>
ah yep, been there done that, still doing it. Agreed, thanks! I recently got my VDB 67RD from them.
I didn't realize that their auction results are on coinfacts.
Wow. I didn't get past the 2nd message you sent back to the EBAY seller before I concluded you would be a PITA to deal with. That coupled with your note that you were considering bidding on the coin under an alias and then returning it in retaliation for being blocked lead me to the inescapable conclusion that you are not the kind of buyer I would be interested in doing business with...regardless of how nice and pretty you think your collection is. Personally, I wouldn't have blocked you for your initial inquiry, but in retrospect it seems to me that the EBAY seller was correct in his early assessment of your potential to be a 'problem child' customer. Just my opinion. Good luck on your set though. Looks nice.
<< <i>Wow. I didn't get past the 2nd message you sent back to the EBAY seller before I concluded you would be a PITA to deal with. That coupled with your note that you were considering bidding on the coin under an alias and then returning it in retaliation for being blocked lead me to the inescapable conclusion that you are not the kind of buyer I would be interested in doing business with...regardless of how nice and pretty you think your collection is. Personally, I wouldn't have blocked you for your initial inquiry, but in retrospect it seems to me that the EBAY seller was correct in his early assessment of your potential to be a 'problem child' customer. Just my opinion. Good luck on your set though. Looks nice. >>
Thank you for the kind comments on the set I am building, it is my primary collecting focus. If you happen to read this, I have a hypothetical question for you as a collector not a seller. Since there are no eBay items for sale in your signature link... that means presumably, you are posting here as a collector not a seller? Could you put your blinders on for a second?
As a Collector, since this is COLLECTORS UNIVERSE what would you think if you read in a sellers feedback a positive comment that read:
"Seller blocks buyers for asking for additional pictures with out explanation"
As a buyer, wouldn't you want to know who the dealers are that react like that? It is accurate and honest feedback justified by the majority who have post in this thread that feel my being blocked, was justified. I am PITA problem child customer, that I did not ask that seller in a proper way for pictures... Wouldn't I be helping to educate other buyers? Isn't that what feedback is for?
Dealers need not reply, Do any buyers see where I am going with this? Or is this Dealers Universe?
<< <i>... As a Collector, since this is COLLECTORS UNIVERSE what would you think if you read in a sellers feedback a positive comment that read:
"Seller blocks buyers for asking for additional pictures with out explanation"
As a buyer, wouldn't you want to know who the dealers are that react like that? It is accurate and honest feedback justified by the majority who have post in this thread that feel my being blocked, was justified. I am PITA problem child customer, that I did not ask that seller in a proper way for pictures... Wouldn't I be helping to educate other buyers? Isn't that what feedback is for?
Dealers need not reply, Do any buyers see where I am going with this? Or is this Dealers Universe? >>
You would be wrong to leave such feedback IMO as the seller did in fact give you an explanation. The problem is that you disagree and/or don't accept the explanation.
As a Collector, since this is COLLECTORS UNIVERSE what would you think if you read in a sellers feedback a positive comment that read:
"Seller blocks buyers for asking for additional pictures with out explanation"
I am a collector and occasionally buy and never sell coins on ebay. If you left that note with positive feedback, it is highly likely that I would never read it.
If I were you, I would let this issue die and move on.
<< <i> You would be wrong to leave such feedback IMO as the seller did in fact give you an explanation. The problem is that you disagree and/or don't accept the explanation. Joe. >>
Hey Joe,
hypo·theti·cal (hī′pə t̸het′i kəl) adjective
A mixture of assumed or established facts and circumstances, developed in the form of a coherent and specific situation.
When a hypothetical question is posed, it includes all the facts in evidence needed to form an opinion and, based on the assumption that the facts are true, the witness is asked whether he or she can arrive at an opinion, and if so, to state it.
This thread is about sellers who block buyers for asking reasonable questions.
The seller did not give me an explanation.
*I posted a thread about being blocked.
*A member contacted.. or seller saw this thread.
*Seller then contacted me though my eBay listing, only stating that I was violating eBay listing and CU posting policies.
*Another CU member then posts message from seller stating I was blocked for eBay negatives given for excessive shipping charges.
*I thanked CU member for posting this information since that was news to me, then commented how strange it was since seller includes free shipping.
*Seller then contacted me as negative feedback as reason.
* Seller then removes all listings.
*eBay then removes all my listings 2 days later
Anyone, ever heard the expression. Actions speak louder than words? Do you believe it?
If I am dissatisfied with a tranaction, but no harm was done (i.e. I was not ripped off and if a refund was due, it was done promptly) I just leave no feedback and move on. If the seller wants to block me, then so be it.
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<< <i>By the way, as a buyer I would merely ask for the images and not tell my life story as well. The less you tip your hand as to why you want the images, the better off you will be, especially if you are trying to cherrypick a variety or an undergraded coin. >>
rlarick, this suggestion if from a buyers point of view, if you want to be smart about it and minimize your acquisition cost. >>
I have learned a lot from this forum. Most certainly, I have now learned that! obviously my other way... (communicating with honesty with supporting info) didn't work! LOL .. Thank you to all who continue to offer insight and advice with the finer points of buying. Now back to the drama/soap opera.
I got a Merry Christmas message from SaturnCoin! Super cool present, especially seeing how I might have ruined this guy's Xmas.
Would anyone care to see it and my reply?
"What is the big deal with returns, isn't that to be expected when selling high grade coins?"
Truly, I do not expect returns when I sell coins, though of course anyone who buys from me has the right to return a coin within my return period. I also do not sell on ebay so I am not exactly the same type of dealer as this ebay seller. However, there is a real downside to returns. The first is that once a coin is returned and put back for sale some bidders will wonder what was wrong with the coin for it to be returned. Alternatively, they may wonder if shill bidding had happened previously. Perhaps this is not fair, but it will happen. Additionally, if the coin sold for a strong price then that price might not be replicated and the seller feels as though they lost some incremental amount. Lastly, the cost of postage as well as the small amount of time for shipping, etc...is real for the seller and this is especially true for someone attempting to make an honest living from ebay or other coin sales. Therefore, returns aren't a happy instance for sellers and most sellers attempt to avoid returns.
The other comment is that yes, I would like to see what saturncoin said or gave to you.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Move on. There are plenty of these out there. Pretty yes, rare no!
Sellers loss, due to one less very interested party bidding!
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Ask a simple question, especially from someone you don't know
Look at all "auctions" for certified (major TPG) like they are no-return, even if they allow returns. Use the return priveledge sparingly for the reasons already stated. Obviously if it's a POS where problems were hidden or not disclosed or it's a total SNAD, that's one thing ... otherwise, my feeling is, you bid you buy in an auction
Be respectful and honest in your dealings
After you get to know a seller (via eBay, the Web, here) then you can say, hey Dave, what do you think of that coin ... will it fit in my XYZ set?
and yes, I would also like to see the mail from saturncoins
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
A note to my good friends on the PCGS forum: There is a bit more to the story regarding the blocked bidder. It seems that he is now contemplating bidding with an alternate account. Not good, especially if he wishes to remain on Ebay. There is always a bit more to the story, but as we have painfully learned, some on the forum like to opine with only half of the facts. Thank you to those that keep an open mind and a Merry Christmas to all.
Mark Glicker
auction linky
<< <i>KISS
Ask a simple question, especially from someone you don't know................................
.........................................yes, I would also like to see the mail from saturncoins >>
Changed my mind.. We are messaging back and forth thru eBay now. So I don't want to make him any more mad than he already is by posting our conversations. If he doesn't remove the block after he is done messaging back and forth, then yes, I will post the dialogues. Seems fair to me...
What I am learning/finding out is that............... while I am not sure about this...... that this seller may be irked by my eBay listings. My listings do not meet eBays requirements of showing the full slab front and back. I have full High res pics and only as much of the label as I can fit under the macro lens..(it does include cert# & grade) Quite frankly, I think the images in my listings hurt sales in that they exaggerate imperfections. I did tell him that "I will add the full slab pics to my listings, now will you unblock me?"
Further more my listings have an antagonistic remark of:
.............Keep in mind when reviewing these images, that unlike most coin listings here on eBay - you can see every little nuance, tick, ding, bag mark, scratch, die polishing in some cases. In many of the images, the lighting was positioned in such a way, as to best capture the luster..........
So, I can see how that might also irk a dealer into taking the time to enter my name into his blocked from bidding list.?? really?
I do want to quote this from the seller:
<< <i>You speculated that a CAC sticker implies a plus grade. it is merely a fourth party opinion that the coin meets the grade stated. >>
Also apparently, I am breaking rule #8 on here, which I have not looked at yet/don't remember.. I just know that I have read a lot of threads re: block this bidder..... is this seller legit?.... and other eBay specific B/S issues. I thought it quite appropriate for me to post my experience from the blocked buyer side of things.
Here again, I am new to all of coin etiquette, including selling on eBay. I have time to figure out how to maybe.... build a better mousetrap. I hope to learn 80% what you guys all know in one/tenth the time it took you to learn... key word = hope. Not that this matters... My current listings are the start of building an eBay store inventory, frankly I don't care if anything sells. not yet.
Last babbling paragraph/note to self. I need to watch my aggressive "Git 'er done" attitude that has worked for me over the years, it doesn't work with coin collectors! Merry Christmas everyone! To those who are posting today, you all are the real coin fiends, huh!?
Off to go make my traditional artery clogging carrot cake! BBL
Things like "using my wife's account to buy and return" and " If he doesn't remove the block after he is done messaging back and forth, then yes, I will post the dialogues. Seems fair to me..."
There are other coins, just move on. The way you are hanging on this is weird and doesn't shine a good light on you, imho.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I'm pretty sure you need one of my MS67RB examples, but I do have some extra 66RBs as well...
all the way from Maui... you just love tormenting me don't ya! I don't know why I keep saying 66RB. Andy hooked me up with a 66RB - might be from that same group?
now about that 67RB, will you get a green bean on it, and send me hi res pics? I need to know whether or not to go to 67RD money!
"Tom: I am Mark from Saturncoin, the seller of the 2 1909 VDB coins that are referenced in a recent forum thread that you responded to.
I have no bone to pick with the bidder, layedoffliquidator and hope that he has a fine Christmas.
The fact is as a full time Ebay seller with more than one account, I really depend on the top seller discount and am forced to use care when I can and avoid potential problems. The seller mentioned ms66 money on these coins, yet they are MS65's. No where do I state otherwise. I looked up his past feedback on Toolhaus and he has left quite a few Neg/Neutrals in the last 2 years that cause we a bit of concern.
This is more of an Ebay problem then a bidder/seller issue and if I had a regular coin selling website, he would be welcome at any time.
Please feel free to print this on the forum.
Mark
My advice to rlarick would be to put this exchange and auction behind him and continue his collecting from other sellers.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
My head hurts just from reading your message.
I believe he was trying to do you a favor and not letting you bid on a coin that would not likely meet your needs.
My head hurts just from reading your message.
I believe he was trying to do you a favor and not letting you bid on a coin that would not likely meet your needs.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Huh? Wait! Yes, everyone look at the neg/nuetrals I have left. Out of thousands of buys on eBay and that is all the problems I had?
They were all from shipping issues and yet SaturnCoins offers free shipping? Wow - eBay really has created super paranoid sellers. amazing!
the removed comment was ... Better than wild screaming 5ex, lets do it again! lol
I'm in trouble, I got to get into the kitchen!
That double posting was probably a hiccup in my vaunted dial service service. LOL.
<< <i>the removed comment was ... Better than wild screaming 5ex, lets do it again! lol
>>
Don't worry about it being a spoof. I also received a message from Mark through my web site. After corresponding with him and reading the additional posts from this buyer, I've condluded that his instincts were correct when he blocked him.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Why didn't you just say you would like to see bigger pictures?
My head hurts just from reading your message.
I believe he was trying to do you a favor and not letting you bid on a coin that would not likely meet your needs. >>
I agree, except these are coins that I really wanted to bid on. and I wanted see details so that I could determine how high I would bid so I wouldn't have a buyers remorse issue of course he couldn't know that, especially in retrospect of having numerous coin dealers comments on how my message might have been interperted.. I should add that I ask for pics all the time. Normally I don't get a reply, some say thats all they have, 1 out of 10 sends original scans/jpgs.
jeeeeeez! I get it, I screwed up by providing too much confusing information. What is happening now is what I don't get.... still after all of this, especially since I have done more than enough to validate my intentions.... that I don't buy coins as if it was an approval service......
That I am still being blocked? Makes no sense to me on why someone would want to limit a bidding pool. whatever.. I think thats just plain dumb.
As I have said, and I will say again. It is his loss not mine.
BTW everyone, my opinions are what you paid for them.. Please keep that in mind!
there has to be a whole lot of the very common '09 V.D.B available in slabs ............go forth and prosper
<< <i>BTW everyone, my opinions are what you paid for them.. Please keep that in mind!
I think I overpaid then....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
If anyone cares to know the details of my messaging back and forth. here you go.
Rob: You have spent the better part of Christmas Eve bashing my Lincoln images. They may not be great but they follow the listing rules of Ebay. Unfortunately your 50 PCGS coins do not. Each coin must show a full front slab image. Pre 1980 coins must show the reverse slab as well. I enclosed a pasting of the rules, but most anyone on the PCGS board can confirm this for you.
In addition, listings for certified coins must include an image of the item, showing the coin in its graded holder. The image needs to be clear and the grading company, grade, and certification number should easily be readable.
Note: Coins minted before 1980 must show the full front and back of the holder. Coins minted in 1980 or after must show the full front of the holder.
Regards,
Mark
---------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY:
I think you misunderstand completely. "You have
spent the better part of Christmas Eve bashing my
Lincoln images" I am not bashing your images, not
at all. I am bashing why you blocked me!
Certainly you know detail oriented coin buyers?
obviously! you know about CAC, you are selling 2
of them together.
Ironically I got a message from a well known
Lincoln collector last night, asking why I am
messing with those 2 coins - that the one on the
right, is clearly RB! I told him, that would be
great! that would be a perfect addition to my
Lincoln Case Study.... ie... PCGS Grading set.
I am aware of the rules Mark. Too lazy to change
the lens on my camera to get the whole slab in.
Let me guess, you reported the items? I have been
holding my breathe for the day, when I get the
message for an improper listing. I figure due to
the resolution of the images, that that sort of
negates the "rule". Rules are Rules, but lets
examine why eBay requires full pictures of the
slab.... I am pretty sure it is due to past
sellers playing games with slabbed coins.
Wouldn't you?
Did you remove the block yet?
And Mark, seriously, go to the registry part of
the CU forums, you will find that I am building a
showcase grading set for my own education (and
others) for the ever ending subject of grading.
You will see in my thread that there are several
instances where I said that I am looking for
multiple examples in each of the grades. I wish
you had known all of this in advance of blocking
me.
If you don't want me bidding so be it, thats fine.
Oh! I also know that there is no way you can know
whether or not I would be a hassle to deal with.
Just a peice of advice. Operate on the once
burned, twice shy philosophy, it will do more for
you over the long run.
Sorry if this has irritated you for the holidays.
I posted that thread for a lot of different
reasons related to collecting.
My sincere happy holidays to you Mark!
------------------------------------------------------------------- He then replies:
Rob: The forum members are trying to help you a bit, and I can as well as I have been in the rare coin business for many years.
First off you are assuming many things that are incorrect. Start with your thread that has nothing directly to do with a given coin, but an Ebay seller. It is in violation of rule #8 on the posting rules.
You assume that the imaging requirements do not apply to you due to your high quality images. You are incorrect. Many fraudulent Ebay transactions led to this requirement as folks were listing coins that they did not possess. the full imaging has ended much of that problem.
You speculated that a CAC sticker implies a plus grade. it is merely a fourth party opinion that the coin meets the grade stated.
Finally you assumed that I reported your images to Ebay. I have not. I gave you a heads up and you can take it for what it is worth. Posting my earlier email on the forum is fine with me, but you may risk other forum members contacting Ebay.
Regards,
Mark
------------------------------------- I then replied:
Dear saturncoin,
Thank you for those viewpoints. It does mirror
the stereotypical attitude(albeit narrow-
mindedness) that I run into all the time now that
I am getting in deeper with coinage. Thank
goodness there are others who don't fit that mold
because I think it hurts the hobby.
I get it, that I am breaking rules. I also hope
that you get it, that you made an overly rash
decision in blocking me for simply asking for
better pics to be sent.
I am new to collecting, and quite frankly if every
new person who is serious about collecting is
treated the way I am. What will that do for
helping to grow the hobby/value of those rare
coins? Shouldn't you long time coin people, be
doing what you can to be inviting and encouraging?
Threads on CU related to eBay have been very
interesting and quite frequent and draw my
attention, since I do spend a lot of time with
eBay. I was just following the lead regarding the
post.
You obviously are smart enough to see that while,
my listings don't show the full slab, that there
is obviously nothing wrong with them, that due to
the type of images on my listing, that the reason
why eBay requires full images of the slabs.... is
negated by the type of photos. In other words, it
would be easier to be fraudulent with full slab
pics than it would with my listing, would it not?
Now with that said, I'll go ahead and switch lens
around and get full pics of each slab added to the
listings in the next few days.
Will you unblock me? oh question! when were
those 2 09vdb stickered? the reason I ask, as you
know, copper often does change within the slab.
the coin on the right looks RB? Regardless of
whether a CAC sticker is equal to a plus grade or
not, the biggest reason for my wanting them is for
the exact reason of the set they would go into -
A GRADING SET!
Last sort of funny note. I thought it would take
30 coins to complete the set, then there were the
DDO's, then the plus grades, NOW CAC stickers. HA!
Rob
-------------------- it hasn't ended yet! LOL he now replies minutes after I posted here about my surprise related to what he told another member. He replies.....
Rob: I did not block you because of the request for better images or that I feared returns. I checked the feedback that you had left for others on Ebay and 10 or 11 were either negatives or neutrals. I understand the ones for non delivery but I scratch my head about the ones regarding shipping charges. I suspect that you tried to get a deal after the fact from sellers and when they didn't comply, you zinged them with bad feedback.
I sell coins for a living and depend on the 20% Ebay discount as part of my income. This is a very low profit business so any amount is important. Ebay has set the bar so high for sellers (as you acknowledged on a forum post), that even one or two dissatisfied buyers can cause considerable harm. I appreciate your desire to pick up only the best coins for your set, but coin shows and dealers without the constraints of Ebay as a sales venue may be a better place for you.
Regards,
Mark
------------ I reply at this point with incredulousness:
Look Mark,
Did you also happen to notice the number of buys?
of course you did! I sometimes go on huge buying
binges. Rarely do I have a problem. I have seller
message me when they list.. etc etc dozens know
me on a first name basis.. Some, however as I am
sure you know, are just flat out unreasonable.
Those have deservedly gotten the neutral or
negative. Those who put stuff up for auction and
probably didn't get what they wanted and figure to
recoup from penny ante shipping charges???? They
were all petty amounts, we are talking about $20
purchases!! ending with angry messages from
sellers, how they were going to turn me in, etc
etc etc. The irony is you offer free shipping!!!!
so why would you worry?
More irony..
I debate with others on different forums all the
time. A favorite point/opinion is to look for
sellers that offer free shipping. IMO That is a
very good indication of a seller who has done
their homework and is in business, to be in
business. I am sure you can imagine how I get
blasted over that.
Mark, seriously, I am saddened that eBay has
created such an air of mistrust that you would
block me over my request.. even if I was
offering what appeared as unreasonable amount of
money. All you had to do was look at the showcase
set, send me a reply.. ask for a reference
whatever... communicate!
I now wonder after the amount of time I have spent
with this, why you still haven't removed the block
or send me the original pics?
You obviously are well hooked into the coin
community and I am not. Maybe read my intro
thread? forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?
catid=30&threadid=794152
It just makes no sense at this point .
Rob
------------------------------- I'm not done yet! lol.. actually I am P'O'd - Why won't he let me give him my money?
Dear saturncoin,
Hey I have to add.. I DO NOT WANT ONLY THE BEST
COINS FOR MY SET! I am not a registry set
competitor. Oh god, I think I figured it out....
actually the converse is true.. please read the
thread on PCGS in the Registry forum titled my
first registry set.
Yeah I can imagine that registry set guys are a
pain! lol.. then again they mostly only buy
grading labels correct? anyways..
lighten up and spread some good karm and let me
have a shot at those coins.
I will be sure to give you credit in the notes.
no games Mark.. I just want CAC stickered vdb's
to add to the GRADING set as an examples.
------------------- and for the coup de tat....
Dear saturncoin,
Last message.. this is what I was thinking when
I said MS66 money.. I just won this one.
(It was link to a closed eBay listing from 12/16 for $16 over the posted PCGS value of a MS65RD 09 VDB LWC)
First, it was the way I asked the question, then the seller tells someone else, it was because of negatives that I had left over shipping on 1500+ items over 2 years, (even though he offers free shipping) to now saying that I harrassed him? How so? He contacted me, I pleaded for a chance to bid on his coins, in reply.
/thread
Sorry to end the auction early but I have been harassed for two days by a blocked bidder and figured that it was best to just drop the listing.
<< <i>All 14 bids have been cancelled and the auction has now ended. I am chalking this one up as an overly paranoid seller or that there was something wrong with those coins. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. >>
And, comments like the part I bolded, along with some of your posts in this thread, is likely why the seller was paranoid and blocked you. For some, ebay is a big part of life and they want to sell, not hear the stories, and not play games. For them, it isn't "fun".
We already had a recent thread where an ebay buyer followed someone from another coin board to ebay and bought a coin just to return it and screw with his feedback/ratings. Fun?
I'm not sure why folks get their undies all bunched when they are blocked from bidding....? I am likely blocked by a few I have had CU disagreements with and, if I were/am, then I will move on if I mistakenly try to bid. Same for anything on ebay....if I try to bid, and get blocked, I will move on. Doubt if I will create a thread and, if I were, I really don't think I would whine and whine about it.
I feel sorry for Saturncoins on all this....waste of time because someone screws around.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
<< <i>I feel sorry for Saturncoins on all this....waste of time because someone screws around. >>
I do too. he could have had an easy painless sale. Its just amazing that after all this and he still wouldn't sell to the highest bidder. (which would have been me)
I was just trying to find out why I was blocked.. I got my answer.
/thread
<< <i>On Dec-25-10 at 19:12:06 PST, seller added the following information:
Sorry to end the auction early but I have been harassed for one day by a blocked bidder and figured that it was best to just drop the listing instead of letting a high volume, low maintenance buyer overbid on these common coins. >>
<< <i>My guess is that 95% of the forum members who have read this thread and sell coins on ebay have blocked you by now. Let it go before the rest of them follow suit. >>
Ayup. For multiple reasons stemming from this thread and his responses. Mark was smart, imho.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>
<< <i>My guess is that 95% of the forum members who have read this thread and sell coins on ebay have blocked you by now. Let it go before the rest of them follow suit. >>
Ayup. For multiple reasons stemming from this thread and his responses. Mark was smart, imho. >>
Glad to know my thread is working! I need to know who the good sellers are and who the not so good ones are. Block away!!! I need to narrow down the pool. I am being sarcastic/antagonistic of course, but there is a certain level of truth, if a dealer can't see my true colors or better yet, the color of the my money because of the way I type, then they..... awwww just forget it! cause now I am getting ornery.. it's late. LOL
Hey really, I got a lot of good information out of this thread and I do appreciate those who took the time to post their thoughts. It is helpful from both the buying and selling side of things. I pick and choose my battles wisely and while it might not make sense to a lot of you, I got what I needed out of this thread and you likely won't hear this type of thread from me again, not on this subject for sure.
Lets end this thread.
Thanks! it's been educational.
Rob
/thread
<< <i>My guess is that 95% of the forum members who have read this thread and sell coins on ebay have blocked you by now. Let it go before the rest of them follow suit. >>
It's certainly closer to 100% now.
Why does this guy remind me of someone else here, LOL!
<< <i>
now about that 67RB, will you get a green bean on it, and send me hi res pics? I need to know whether or not to go to 67RD money!
Since I have two of them that are pretty PQ, I thought about sending both in for a SecurePlus regrade to see if one of them might get bumped to 67+RB... then you'd have to buy both of them!!!
All of those RB VDBs in the previous photo were from the same dealer (not Andy) and were part of a group of a few original rolls recently submitted and were cherrypicked out by me as the best of the bunch. I'm 100% confident they'd get CAC stickered if I sent them in, but I've never done CAC on any of my coins and have no current plans to start.
P.S. Golfing in Maui on Christmas Day today was pretty nice
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
<< <i>The way you are handling this, and wording this, I would be tempted to put you on MY block list...
Things like "using my wife's account to buy and return" and " If he doesn't remove the block after he is done messaging back and forth, then yes, I will post the dialogues. Seems fair to me..."
There are other coins, just move on. The way you are hanging on this is weird and doesn't shine a good light on you, imho. >>
Well put, RMan, er I mean Bociman.
<< <i>I pick and choose my battles wisely >>
No you don't, you've been stirring a pot over a common coin for 2 days now...the seller made the correct decision blocking you. I'm sure you got some satisfaction in him losing money with his listing fee and wasting his time.
Don't know you but you did the right thing.
No one bidder is worth this much trouble or risk.
<< <i>
<< <i>
now about that 67RB, will you get a green bean on it, and send me hi res pics? I need to know whether or not to go to 67RD money!
Since I have two of them that are pretty PQ, I thought about sending both in for a SecurePlus regrade to see if one of them might get bumped to 67+RB... then you'd have to buy both of them!!!
Deal! but rather than gambling with secure plus, just sell em to me and I will submit to CAC - get the green bean - then list on eBay with off-color pics showing little detail - then block anyone who asks for additional or better pictures who states their intent..
See everyone? I am learning!
after a few purchases, you get used to the photos and buyers premium and shipping fees
they ship well and quick and have returns possible with restocking fee
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BONGO HURTLES ALONG THE RAIN SODDEN HIGHWAY OF LIFE ON UNDERINFLATED BALD RETREAD TIRES
<< <i>there are a few 1909 VDBs on Teletrade today ( I guess there always are a few on Teletrade)
after a few purchases, you get used to the photos and buyers premium and shipping fees
they ship well and quick and have returns possible with restocking fee >>
ah yep, been there done that, still doing it. Agreed, thanks! I recently got my VDB 67RD from them.
I didn't realize that their auction results are on coinfacts.
Greg Hansen, Melbourne, FL Click here for any current EBAY auctions Multiple "Circle of Trust" transactions over 14 years on forum
<< <i>Wow. I didn't get past the 2nd message you sent back to the EBAY seller before I concluded you would be a PITA to deal with. That coupled with your note that you were considering bidding on the coin under an alias and then returning it in retaliation for being blocked lead me to the inescapable conclusion that you are not the kind of buyer I would be interested in doing business with...regardless of how nice and pretty you think your collection is. Personally, I wouldn't have blocked you for your initial inquiry, but in retrospect it seems to me that the EBAY seller was correct in his early assessment of your potential to be a 'problem child' customer. Just my opinion. Good luck on your set though. Looks nice. >>
Thank you for the kind comments on the set I am building, it is my primary collecting focus. If you happen to read this, I have a hypothetical question for you as a collector not a seller. Since there are no eBay items for sale in your signature link... that means presumably, you are posting here as a collector not a seller? Could you put your blinders on for a second?
As a Collector, since this is COLLECTORS UNIVERSE what would you think if you read in a sellers feedback a positive comment that read:
"Seller blocks buyers for asking for additional pictures with out explanation"
As a buyer, wouldn't you want to know who the dealers are that react like that? It is accurate and honest feedback justified by the majority who have post in this thread that feel my being blocked, was justified. I am PITA problem child customer, that I did not ask that seller in a proper way for pictures... Wouldn't I be helping to educate other buyers? Isn't that what feedback is for?
Dealers need not reply, Do any buyers see where I am going with this? Or is this Dealers Universe?
<< <i>
<< <i>...
As a Collector, since this is COLLECTORS UNIVERSE what would you think if you read in a sellers feedback a positive comment that read:
"Seller blocks buyers for asking for additional pictures with out explanation"
As a buyer, wouldn't you want to know who the dealers are that react like that? It is accurate and honest feedback justified by the majority who have post in this thread that feel my being blocked, was justified. I am PITA problem child customer, that I did not ask that seller in a proper way for pictures... Wouldn't I be helping to educate other buyers? Isn't that what feedback is for?
Dealers need not reply, Do any buyers see where I am going with this? Or is this Dealers Universe? >>
You would be wrong to leave such feedback IMO as the seller did in fact give you an explanation. The problem is that you disagree and/or don't accept the explanation.
Joe.
"Seller blocks buyers for asking for additional pictures with out explanation"
I am a collector and occasionally buy and never sell coins on ebay. If you left that note with positive feedback, it is highly likely that I would never read it.
If I were you, I would let this issue die and move on.
<< <i> You would be wrong to leave such feedback IMO as the seller did in fact give you an explanation. The problem is that you disagree and/or don't accept the explanation. Joe. >>
Hey Joe,
hypo·theti·cal (hī′pə t̸het′i kəl)
adjective
A mixture of assumed or established facts and circumstances, developed in the form of a coherent and specific situation.
When a hypothetical question is posed, it includes all the facts in evidence needed to form an opinion and, based on the assumption that the facts are true, the witness is asked whether he or she can arrive at an opinion, and if so, to state it.
This thread is about sellers who block buyers for asking reasonable questions.
The seller did not give me an explanation.
*I posted a thread about being blocked.
*A member contacted.. or seller saw this thread.
*Seller then contacted me though my eBay listing, only stating that I was violating eBay listing and CU posting policies.
*Another CU member then posts message from seller stating I was blocked for eBay negatives given for excessive shipping charges.
*I thanked CU member for posting this information since that was news to me, then commented how strange it was since seller includes free shipping.
*Seller then contacted me as negative feedback as reason.
* Seller then removes all listings.
*eBay then removes all my listings 2 days later
Anyone, ever heard the expression. Actions speak louder than words? Do you believe it?
"Seller blocks buyers for asking for additional pictures with out explanation"
I would think: why the hate for the word without?
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1