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dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
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Two coins I used to own, and subsequently sold to dealers. Both reverses are very nice.



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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,045 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coins. I'm gonna guess the 81-S.
  • MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    I'll go with the 84 then
  • tresgatostresgatos Posts: 531 ✭
    I think the '84 has less distracting marks so I'll go with that.
    But maybe the dealer dipped the '81.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the "glow" on the 81-s, but not the field mark in front of her eye.

    I'll go with the 84cc too.

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  • TexasNationalsTexasNationals Posts: 3,837 ✭
    The CC, based on THOSE pictures, seems more worthy
  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484
    Im going to have to go with the CC on this one. They are a lot more lenient on CCs since they were in bags longer, and it looks way nicer than the 81-s which is more common.

    BUT since its obvious the CC should of upgraded, im guessing it didnt since your posting a comparison?
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think the '84 has less distracting marks so I'll go with that.
    But maybe the dealer dipped the '81. >>



    What is there to dip? The coin looks blast white.
  • NumismanicNumismanic Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    81-S
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  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    Boy, talk about a 50/50 guess. They look very similar. I'll guess the 84-cc. They sometimes are a little forgiving for the cc's, or at least that is many collector's belief.
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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    I'll guess the 84-CC too. Is the mark near the eye on the 81-S on the plastic?
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭


    << <i>I'll guess the 84-CC too. Is the mark near the eye on the 81-S on the plastic? >>





    No, they are hits in the field and quite noticeable in person too.
  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what kind of bump ? I can't see either of these going 66, so are you talking +?
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭


    << <i>what kind of bump ? I can't see either of these going 66, so are you talking +? >>




    A full bump to 66DMPL
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    I'll guess the 84-cc
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  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920 ✭
    I'm surprised at the 65's. Can't guess which one "deserved" the bump to 66!
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trick question? The CC looks nicer in the pix so I'll guess the S upgraded. And like pakasmom said, I don't get it.

    But we all know about images. Depending on lighting it's easy to highlight a scuff or hide it.
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  • customrollcustomroll Posts: 523 ✭
    The 84CC of course.
  • mumumumu Posts: 1,840


    << <i>

    << <i>I think the '84 has less distracting marks so I'll go with that.
    But maybe the dealer dipped the '81. >>



    What is there to dip? The coin looks blast white. >>



    Field haze?
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 81 has a cleaner cheek.
  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I think the '84 has less distracting marks so I'll go with that.
    But maybe the dealer dipped the '81. >>



    What is there to dip? The coin looks blast white. >>



    Field haze? >>

    the coin is incredibly frosty which leads me to believe it has something to do with that rather than being dipped. If it wasnt cameo looking then i would believe it was dipped.
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Despite the lustre break on the cheek, the depth and contrast of the CC seems more likely to work nowadays than the "hazy" 81-S.

    However, it's a slam dunk it was the 84-CC that got the upgrade. The 81-S hasn't been submitted in 10+ years.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "The 81-S hasn't been submitted in 10+ years."

    The holder that the '81-S is in was last used in February, 2002 while the holder that the '84-CC is in immediately followed the holder that the '81-S is in and was last used in November, 2004. Therefore, there is the possibility that they were graded very close to one another with respect to date.

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  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484


    << <i>Despite the lustre break on the cheek, the depth and contrast of the CC seems more likely to work nowadays than the "hazy" 81-S.

    However, it's a slam dunk it was the 84-CC that got the upgrade. The 81-S hasn't been submitted in 10+ years. >>

    so did the 84 get upgraded from a 64 to a 65? It says on PCGS that the 84 is still a 65
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I said the S mint hadn't been graded in 10 years, TomB said 8 years. Either way, it's the 84-CC that was regraded and got the bump.

    Based on the photos, I also like the CC for both technical and depth/contrast. This really has nothing to do with the OPs specific question.image
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  • BubbleheadBubblehead Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm surprised at the 65's. Can't guess which one "deserved" the bump to 66! >>



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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    The answer is they BOTH got bumped to MS66DMPL after I sold them. I saw the 81-S on a famous crackout dealers website some months later as a 66DMPL and also listed as PQ for the grade, and saw the 84-CC listed in a major auction also graded MS66DMPL some months after I sold it.

    The 84-CC didn't really surprise me that much, but I was shocked to see the 81-S in a 66DM holder with those 2 prominent cuts in the obv. field.
  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Despite the lustre break on the cheek, the depth and contrast of the CC seems more likely to work nowadays than the "hazy" 81-S.

    However, it's a slam dunk it was the 84-CC that got the upgrade. The 81-S hasn't been submitted in 10+ years. >>

    so did the 84 get upgraded from a 64 to a 65? It says on PCGS that the 84 is still a 65 >>



    That means that the coin was cracked out and resubmitted raw.
    Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
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  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭


    << <i>The answer is they BOTH got bumped to MS66DMPL after I sold them. I saw the 81-S on a famous crackout dealers website some months later as a 66DMPL and also listed as PQ for the grade, and saw the 84-CC listed in a major auction also graded MS66DMPL some months after I sold it.

    The 84-CC didn't really surprise me that much, but I was shocked to see the 81-S in a 66DM holder with those 2 prominent cuts in the obv. field. >>



    Amazing! I suspect the 81-S will only get 66DMPL money if purchased blindly by a newby. All it takes to cause doubt and to damage a companies reputation is 10,000 properly graded coins and 1 improperly graded coin. I can't wait until there's an objective way to grade coins! image
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    Those were the "before" pictures.
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My feeble mind now comprehends.

    Ah, grading results: Often mystified; never surprised.
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  • TonedRaritiesTonedRarities Posts: 484


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Despite the lustre break on the cheek, the depth and contrast of the CC seems more likely to work nowadays than the "hazy" 81-S.

    However, it's a slam dunk it was the 84-CC that got the upgrade. The 81-S hasn't been submitted in 10+ years. >>

    so did the 84 get upgraded from a 64 to a 65? It says on PCGS that the 84 is still a 65 >>



    That means that the coin was cracked out and resubmitted raw. >>

    I dont know if I would ever crackout such a high graded DMPL with the change of it getting downgraded.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing indeed. I don't like either of them as a 66 and would never have invested the money to try them.
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