Barber Collectors - Do you like this coin ?

MFH

If you like it or not - could you grade it just from the images ?

I have trouble grading Choice AU 58 thru MS Barbers just from images;
seems most Barber collectors are in the same boat.

On a recent thread about a Half Dollar - the grades were all over the map:
Au 50 [ this guy needs glasses ] thru MS 62.

I can understand giving a coin an AU 58 grade because you suspect "rub".
But images don't truly portray actual friction on the high points because you
really can't see actual luster breaks on the coins surfaces.

Here's something I have found with unusual toning... what do you think PCGS graded it.
[ Its in a graded holder - not a net grade, BTW ]



Answer after dinner this evening !!

1907Quarter

looks like slight wear on the hair above the eye, and possible wear on the middle tail-feather on the reverse. au58.

coindudeonebay

Can't tell for sure, but, I think it would look nicer with some proper photos taken of it.

Flatwoods

I'm sort of neutral on the coin. Don't love it or hate it.
As you mentioned it's very difficult to judge from the pics.
Could be anywhere from Au-55 to Ms-65.
I'm leaning towards 64.

TomB

That looks MS to me and MS64 would be my guess.

Manorcourtman

Typical weak Branch mint strike which alone is very deceptive to grading based on a pic. I see 2 small dimple like impressions on the cheek which to be precludes anything above a 63 imho. The toning is hiding any luster present. So I Mint state.......MS?? is my answer and I am sticking to it. Not a very flattering pic. I hate Teletrade photos!

llafoe

From the photo I was able to acquire your comcast.net e-mail address... do I win the coin?

MFH

<< <i>From the photo I was able to acquire your comcast.net e-mail address... do I win the coin? >>



Larry - from your profile,
I was able to gather your
email address as well.

From my picture - you are
able to get my Photobucket
account name: Odds and Ends

Everyone is right - Teletrade images
are terrible !!

No correct guesses so far.

Southcounty

I actually like the look of this coin. My first impression was MS63 from some chatter on the face. However the old AU58 vs. MS 63 debate is one reason I like to stick with XF and AU examples for the most part.

rld14

You're gonna shoot me Mike but I think it's been AT'd.

Broadstruck

<< <i>You're gonna shoot me Mike but I think it's been AT'd. >>



The upper reverse toning does look a bit fruity.

rld14

<< <i>

<< <i>You're gonna shoot me Mike but I think it's been AT'd. >>



The upper reverse toning does look a bit fruity. >>



I don't like the blotchy blue around stars 12 and 13 either...

Broadstruck

<< <i>I don't like the blotchy blue around stars 12 and 13 either... >>



Yeah but nevertheless it's far from fugly imho and for a O mint I'd much prefer this over a dipped out white example.

USMoneylover

Great looking coin. Like most have already said, it's hard to go from those pictures. My guess is AU55.

kimber45ACP

I like it, guess 55

MFH

I can't say that I disagree with you -
its almost impossible to distinguish
between an AU and a MS by poor images.

What makes you believe its an AU 55 ?
I thought the consensus of opinion would
have been AU 58.

I like the originality of the coin - I assume most
of us feel that this is an NT coin, correct ?

Any other "AT" nay sayers out there,
aside from Broadstruck [ fruity reverse ?]
and RLD14 ?

rhedden

I think it's MS63. I don't see any wear, but the luster and strike are not Gem.

Broadstruck

<< <i>I can't say that I disagree with you -
its almost impossible to distinguish
between an AU and a MS by poor images.

What makes you believe its an AU 55 ?
I thought the consensus of opinion would
have been AU 58.

I like the originality of the coin - I assume we
all feel that this is an NT coin, correct ?

Any other "AT" nay sayers out there,
aside from Broadstruck [ fruity reverse ?]
and RLD14 ? >>



I like it as an AU58 a lot and would give it the benefit of the doubt as being NT.

USMoneylover

I think the coin is a beauty and NT. In my opinion there might be a rub on the eagles head and wing tips. This could also be a weak strike, just hard to say without holding the coin in person.

Dog97

It's not as much a matter of the guesser needing glasses as it is of the OP needing a camera.
That half is clearly MS and judging from the hit on the cheek and the weakly detailed rev shield I'd say the picture grades 62.
Maybe. hahhaha

Dog97

Quarter. I meant quarter. Not half.

blu62vette

I like it and think it is great for the grade.

coindudeonebay

If I were a buyer, I'd be at 58 money on it. The toning, although not outrageously awesome, it's horrible either.

kimber45ACP

<< <i>What makes you believe its an AU 55 ? >>



The wear on the shield, but just guessing.
Very nice looker though.

Labelman87

Hi Mike,

Can't see all the hits but can see full outline from ear to forehead; a lot of definition in the wings and right claw (for an 08-o). I would call this one a 64 or 65. My final verdict would be a call when I have it "in hand".


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Craig

MFH

Here is what PCGS calls it...



I have to chuckle, when my friend Broadstruck posts a coin - everyone calls it
MS 64 to MS 66. I have always wondered how he does that - especially when
I can plainly see its an AU 58 - maybe that's why I call him : Mr. AU 64 .

Manorcourtman

Guess the pic is really bad! The coin must have booming luster which sure doesn't come out in the pics!

Dog97

Well at least I got the Mint State part right this time. It's clearly overgraded. You asked "Do you like this coin?" It might be ok for a Reg Set but I'd rather have a 65 everybody thought was a 66, than a 65 everybody thought was a 55-63.

jhdfla

Well, I came late to the party, would have said 64. It's pretty common knowledge that New Orleans Barbers often come weakly struck. Keep in mind that it's pretty dang humid as well up in that part of the world, so the toning as it is may have been caused at least in part from the humidity reacting with whatever the coin was kept in. Assuming of course the coin spent a good part of it's life in New Orleans. All conjecture of course on my part, as well as trying to grade a coin based on images, which can be a lesson in futility even with half decent pics.

MFH

<< <i>Well at least I got the Mint State part right this time. It's clearly overgraded. You asked "Do you like this coin?" It might be ok for a Reg Set but I'd rather have a 65 everybody thought was a 66, than a 65 everybody thought was a 55-63. >>



Couldn't agree with you more.

kimber45ACP

Wow, I missed by a mile. Time to study.

pursuitofliberty

Late to the party here too ... I thought it could be anything from 58 (I didn't think it was) to 64 (hard to tell). Honestly I was in the 63/4 camp, with maybe a 62 for something I couldn't see.

Without seeing it in hand, an impossible deduction.

As for the color and surfaces, I like the look.

As for the grade, based on the picture, I don't think I know ... and for this coin especially, I don't think any of us would without seeing her in hand ... and eevn then there would be a great debate I'm sure. The look isn't for everyone.

Interesting coin ...

coindudeonebay

Mike, at that grade, I don't like it!!

MFH

I have an 08-O - which I love:


Image by Messydesk

This is a small image but I could enlarge it
if anyone wanted me to. I just have to send
my Picture back to Photobucket and the new
download will be HUGE .

bushmaster8

I think the eye appeal is nuetral to slightly positive.

I think it likely grades MS65.

edit: now that I read the entire thread, I see PCGS & I are on same page with this one.

FilamCoins

Wouldn't buy it for a type set, but maybe OK for a Barber collector looking for unique examples.

Not a fan of mottled/splotchy toning, even with nice colors. I feel it mutes the luster and hides the devices.

For a 65, I'd be looking for a little more pop. Maybe something like this:

roadrunner

I would have guessed 63-65 with the only question being how many tiny "tics" are on the cheek from the height of her eye down to the mouth? It seems like there could be a couple which is minor or a half dozen or more as the toning could be playing tricks. No way to tell that from the photo imo.

But from a color, eye appeal, luster, and strike aspect, it looks MS65 all the way. I like the coin but can't count all the marks from the photos alone.

roadrunner

MFH

<< <i>Wouldn't buy it for a type set, but maybe OK for a Barber collector looking for unique examples.

Not a fan of mottled/splotchy toning, even with nice colors. I feel it mutes the luster and hides the devices.

For a 65, I'd be looking for a little more pop. Maybe something like this:

>>



Nice coin - I was on the fence about it myself at CRO.

djdilliodon

<< <i>You're gonna shoot me Mike but I think it's been AT'd. >>



I agree

MFH

Seems as if the buyer of the 1908-O Quarter sent it back - or - the
consignor had a larger Reserve and the coin didn't sell back in mid December
as its back in another Teletrade auction soon.

As fate would have it - I just bought another 1908-O but in MS 64 - and
I'm going to bring my AU 58 with me to FUN to dispose of. Shouldn't be
too difficult, its a really pretty coin in hand.

Here's my newp: