I had a lady in OH list a medal that I sniped for 99 cents, she wasn't happy about it and wanted to cancel the sale. After many E-Mails and refunding my 99 cents plus postage. I explained that she entered a contract with me and I would really hate to hand her a neg for 99 cents. The next morning I received an E-Mail telling me I was right and she was going to ship me the medal at no charge. I received the medal and sent her a Mad Marty slabbed medal in return.
Sounds like your seller isn't going to be as nice to you as mine was. NEG HIM!!! >>
Marty, you should know that threatening a neg is grounds for it to be removed. If you sent that message through the eBay system, it's unlikely the feedback would stick.
<< <i> I don't feel that you really want to do the right thing, I think you want bidders to have the illusion of 100% Positive feedback so they'll feel confident in dealing with you. But................if you really want to do the right thing, you should sell me the item for the closing price of the original auction. Short of that I won't remove the negative since I feel you are deserving of it for the way you handled the situation. >>
I almost think you're letting the seller off easy if you do that. It's one thing if a seller wasn't wrong, but is willing to do something to clear his name from a lie. It's another thing if they lie until they get outed. This seller had plenty of time to make it right for the sake of doing the right thing. Clearly making it right only became important when there was new-found benefit to the seller.
<< <i> To bolster my position, I would point out that if I hadn't bid in the closing seconds of the listing which ended yesterday, the price realized would have been $36.55, exactly one dollar more than the first listing. >>
Why on earth would you bid on it again, and $20 higher than what you won it for the first time? You should have stayed home, let the thing sell for nearly the exact same price, and then let him have it with the neg.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>My reply. Lloyd, let's be honest with one another----------the excuse you are pleading, that bids weren't accepted at the close of the last auction, is pure hogwash. If such were the case eBay would have known as much and notified you and all the bidders. Do me a favor and forward the messages from the "bidders who had problems" at the close of the first listing which I won. I presume that there are none. Further, I shouldn't be penalized because another individual has a bad internet connection, computer problems, server issues, etc, etc, etc.
To bolster my position, I would point out that if I hadn't bid in the closing seconds of the listing which ended yesterday, the price realized would have been $36.55, exactly one dollar more than the first listing. You are a veteran at eBay, if you need a certain amount from a listing you either start at a higher price or use a reserve. Otherwise, you accept what the fair playing field gives you. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. It is the nature of the beast.
I don't feel that you really want to do the right thing, I think you want bidders to have the illusion of 100% Positive feedback so they'll feel confident in dealing with you. But................if you really want to do the right thing, you should sell me the item for the closing price of the original auction. Short of that I won't remove the negative since I feel you are deserving of it for the way you handled the situation.
Do the right thing, Lloyd.
Sincerely, Al H. >>
Al, as somebody who is dealing with his own problem Ebay seller at the moment, please let me take this opportunity to say, "You Rock! Keep it up!"
Al, Here are the messages, word for word: Before I place a bid, can you tell me why this has been re-listed? I followed it, and was going to snipe bid, but my wireless router either froze or was just slow and I lost out totally. Did the winner refuse to honor his bid, or......? Thank you. - whatzinaname1
I can't believe my last minute bid of $255. was not accepted for the Carter medal! I bid at least a minute before the auction was over and my bid didn't stick. Do you have another? I'd be willing to pay by full bid for one. Been looking for awhile. Regards, Rick - baabaaboo
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Dear keets55,
...FYI......Thought you might want to know why the Harrison token went for such a low price. The bidding service I use (esnipe) reported that my bid was rejected by eBay because of a password problem. This was not the case, the problem was eBay's. This morning, this password issue has "magically" been fixed and there is no mention of a system malfunction by eBay. I'm sure several other bids were similarly rejected by eBay in your auction's closing ten seconds. - tgabel1000
Al, I am honest. I do want to do the right thing. I do want not only the impression of a 100% feedback, but also the reality of it. I guess I have really made a mess of this one. If I back out on the second deal, I'll likely have one more negative. I truly am sorry for this, and have learned my lesson. Would you remove the negative if I refund you the difference between the first & second selling prices. If not, I guess I will have to live with a negative for six months. Thanks, Lloyd.
My reply Lloyd, i would need to see the messages FORWARDED to me with complete headers, not some supposed cut/paste, along with a verification from eBay/Safe-Harbor. As for "living with a negative" in your feedback, you will apparently end up with one from me or from someone else over this ordeal. My suggestion-----if you are indeed the ethical and trustworthy individual you'd have me believe you to be-----is simple; go through the eBay system and admit what actually took place so that the second auction can be cleared up, then follow through with the first auction.
<< <i>By being a cheap skate and starting the auction @ 99c to avoid insertion fees the seller took the risk of the item selling for whatever price the bidders determined. Seller should have paid for a safety net of a higher starting bid but no, that would have cost the seller a whopping $1. Way I see it the seller saved a $1 but gained a NEG. >>
Ebay is weird though , often a 99c starting bid will attract many more bidders who will bid against each other to the point of . . . well . . for example , i don't know how many times ive set a starting bid of say $25 or $35 dollars and seen no bids.Relist with 99c start and it sells for $40 in the end.Theres no ryhme or reason to it , just your luck on any given day.I believe the majority of ebayers want a bargain , theres no bargains with BIN or high starts really so they chase the 99c starting auctions , often pursuing to the point of overpaying what it might have BIN'ed for.
Even if the cut-and-paste emails are legit, they all show the same thing: Bidders who unsuccessfully tried to snipe the item. Over the years I've probably lost out on two dozen items because my snipe didn't get through fast enough or my computer crashed. Yes, I was mad as hell cussing and screaming, but I didn't contact the seller to wine about it. I accepted my ill fortune because as the man said "Ya roll the dice, ya take your chances".
P.S. The same could be said for the seller in that you win some, you lose some.
If a would be snipper failed to get bid off he consider bidding earlier next time, the seller should ship the coin to you if this was a bidder who did not execute a bid in time and not an eBay issue.
Waiting to the last seconds to bid you run the risk of not getting a bid off, that is why if you really want a coin you need to bid your max with time to spare.
I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
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<< <i>Sucks to be Al!! A Neg is in order.
I had a lady in OH list a medal that I sniped for 99 cents, she wasn't happy about it and wanted to cancel the sale. After many E-Mails and refunding my 99 cents plus postage. I explained that she entered a contract with me and I would really hate to hand her a neg for 99 cents. The next morning I received an E-Mail telling me I was right and she was going to ship me the medal at no charge. I received the medal and sent her a Mad Marty slabbed medal in return.
Sounds like your seller isn't going to be as nice to you as mine was. NEG HIM!!! >>
Marty, you should know that threatening a neg is grounds for it to be removed. If you sent that message through the eBay system, it's unlikely the feedback would stick.
<< <i>
I don't feel that you really want to do the right thing, I think you want bidders to have the illusion of 100% Positive feedback so they'll feel confident in dealing with you. But................if you really want to do the right thing, you should sell me the item for the closing price of the original auction. Short of that I won't remove the negative since I feel you are deserving of it for the way you handled the situation.
>>
I almost think you're letting the seller off easy if you do that. It's one thing if a seller wasn't wrong, but is willing to do something to clear his name from a lie. It's another thing if they lie until they get outed. This seller had plenty of time to make it right for the sake of doing the right thing. Clearly making it right only became important when there was new-found benefit to the seller.
<< <i>
To bolster my position, I would point out that if I hadn't bid in the closing seconds of the listing which ended yesterday, the price realized would have been $36.55, exactly one dollar more than the first listing. >>
Why on earth would you bid on it again, and $20 higher than what you won it for the first time? You should have stayed home, let the thing sell for nearly the exact same price, and then let him have it with the neg.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
1. to win the item at a low price.
2. to ensure that the seller couldn't again claim that eBay's system had malfunctioned.
<< <i>Jeremy, please understand i never actually stated that i would remove the negative.
touche
<< <i>Neg his sorry ass >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>My reply.
Lloyd, let's be honest with one another----------the excuse you are pleading, that bids weren't accepted at the close of the last auction, is pure hogwash. If such were the case eBay would have known as much and notified you and all the bidders. Do me a favor and forward the messages from the "bidders who had problems" at the close of the first listing which I won. I presume that there are none. Further, I shouldn't be penalized because another individual has a bad internet connection, computer problems, server issues, etc, etc, etc.
To bolster my position, I would point out that if I hadn't bid in the closing seconds of the listing which ended yesterday, the price realized would have been $36.55, exactly one dollar more than the first listing. You are a veteran at eBay, if you need a certain amount from a listing you either start at a higher price or use a reserve. Otherwise, you accept what the fair playing field gives you. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. It is the nature of the beast.
I don't feel that you really want to do the right thing, I think you want bidders to have the illusion of 100% Positive feedback so they'll feel confident in dealing with you. But................if you really want to do the right thing, you should sell me the item for the closing price of the original auction. Short of that I won't remove the negative since I feel you are deserving of it for the way you handled the situation.
Do the right thing, Lloyd.
Sincerely,
Al H. >>
Al, as somebody who is dealing with his own problem Ebay seller at the moment, please let me take this opportunity to say, "You Rock! Keep it up!"
eBay item #220638185306
Feedback: Described as 'uncirculated'; not the case - is dented and used clancyoftheoverflowpip Aug-03-10 02:58
¡Reply by 209lloyd (Aug-17-10 17:23):
Gave 25% refund per buyer's request.. Please remove negative feedback!
Al,
Here are the messages, word for word:
Before I place a bid, can you tell me why this has been re-listed? I followed it, and was going to snipe bid, but my wireless router either froze or was just slow and I lost out totally. Did the winner refuse to honor his bid, or......? Thank you.
- whatzinaname1
I can't believe my last minute bid of $255. was not accepted for the Carter medal! I bid at least a minute before the auction was over and my bid didn't stick.
Do you have another? I'd be willing to pay by full bid for one. Been looking for awhile.
Regards,
Rick
- baabaaboo
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Dear keets55,
...FYI......Thought you might want to know why the Harrison token went for such a low price. The bidding service I use (esnipe) reported that my bid was rejected by eBay because of a password problem. This was not the case, the problem was eBay's. This morning, this password issue has "magically" been fixed and there is no mention of a system malfunction by eBay. I'm sure several other bids were similarly rejected by eBay in your auction's closing ten seconds.
- tgabel1000
Al, I am honest. I do want to do the right thing. I do want not only the impression of a 100% feedback, but also the reality of it. I guess I have really made a mess of this one. If I back out on the second deal, I'll likely have one more negative. I truly am sorry for this, and have learned my lesson. Would you remove the negative if I refund you the difference between the first & second selling prices. If not, I guess I will have to live with a negative for six months. Thanks, Lloyd.
My reply
Lloyd, i would need to see the messages FORWARDED to me with complete headers, not some supposed cut/paste, along with a verification from eBay/Safe-Harbor. As for "living with a negative" in your feedback, you will apparently end up with one from me or from someone else over this ordeal. My suggestion-----if you are indeed the ethical and trustworthy individual you'd have me believe you to be-----is simple; go through the eBay system and admit what actually took place so that the second auction can be cleared up, then follow through with the first auction.
Sincerely,
Al H.
<< <i>By being a cheap skate and starting the auction @ 99c to avoid insertion fees the seller took the risk of the item selling for whatever price the bidders determined. Seller should have paid for a safety net of a higher starting bid but no, that would have cost the seller a whopping $1. Way I see it the seller saved a $1 but gained a NEG. >>
Ebay is weird though , often a 99c starting bid will attract many more bidders who will bid against each other to the point of . . . well . . for example , i don't know how many times ive set a starting bid of say $25 or $35 dollars and seen no bids.Relist with 99c start and it sells for $40 in the end.Theres no ryhme or reason to it , just your luck on any given day.I believe the majority of ebayers want a bargain , theres no bargains with BIN or high starts really so they chase the 99c starting auctions , often pursuing to the point of overpaying what it might have BIN'ed for.
P.S. The same could be said for the seller in that you win some, you lose some.
Waiting to the last seconds to bid you run the risk of not getting a bid off, that is why if you really want a coin you need to bid your max with time to spare.
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.