Large cent opinions please 1845

JamesMurray

I wondered what members might think of this one.

sumnom

That's not an N-7, is it?

BillJones

I don't known anything about Newcomb numbers, but grade wise it would be an EAC grade VF-25 (EAC grading is super tough) or a comercial grade EF. It's a nice cent, but a bit too chippy for my taste.

Walkerguy21D

XF40-45 details, possibly recolored at one time (many of them have been). Maybe it's the photo, but the color just doesn't look right, and there seems to be hints of pink peeking through on the high spots. I know from personal experience that large cents can be hard to photograph. Other than that, it's a decent collectible cent for an album, etc.

JamesMurray

Thank you gentlemen , i don't know much about these but seem to be drawn to them.You've given me much to find out on a rainy day , i don't know what a n N-7 is so the kettle will go on and i'll read , thanks again.

Billet7

<< <i>I don't known anything about Newcomb numbers, but grade wise it would be an EAC grade VF-25 (EAC grading is super tough) or a comercial grade EF. It's a nice cent, but a bit too chippy for my taste. >>



Chippy!!! That's the perfect word! I have been looking for a descriptive word for just what we see here, and have failed to think of one. I love it! I will use it often.

Some of my other numismatic terms include; Scruddy (dirty, cruddy and a bit rough...but not so much as to be considered corroded or granular.) Ori-clean (has an original look but has been cleaned at some time.) Circ-Cam (not my term, but a great one.) Dudley (dull, ugly dud...it's not original, and has nothing going for it IMHO,) Glare (you know those coins that are dipped and give of a painfully harsh shine.)

sumnom

N-7 would be nice, being an R-5 an' all.

JamesMurray

I can find lots of references to N7 and even R5 with everything in between , nothing to tell me what those letters and numbers mean though.

renomedphys

Looks circulated

But seriously, not bad for a Dansco inclusion.

lkenefic

I'm not sure about the color on this... is the white balance a bit off (ie: is the background shot on a white piece of paper?). I have the same problem with my Nikon Coolpix.

Anyway, the reverse looks OK except for the hit above "ONE". The obverse looks like it may have had some light corrosion removed and then it was recolored? It does look a bit "scruffy" as Bill put it. Not bad for a Dansco album.

Walkerguy21D

<< <i>I can find lots of references to N7 and even R5 with everything in between , nothing to tell me what those letters and numbers mean though. >>


Since you're a fellow Yuengling fan and all, here's a little illumination.
N stands for Newcomb, an early researcher of large cent die varieties dated from 1816 to 1857. Each date has varieties listed N1 through Nx, depending on the known varieties for that date. Further research into each die variety gives experts a means to 'rate' the scarcity of each Newcomb variety, with R1 being common, up through R8 (very rare) and in some cases NC (non collectible, due extreme scarcity, only a couple known). R5 is fairly scarce, I'm guessing less than 100 known - however, note that these ratings change as more are discovered, and also are a little less relevant for the "late date" large cents like this, as the varieties are much harder to see, and in less demand than the rare variety early dates.
Also note that the dates prior to 1816 are identified via Sheldon numbers, so you will see dates like S48, S227, etc.
Hope this helps a little!

JamesMurray

Thanks guys , Walkerguy21D thank you very much , my eyes are bleeding reading text and i was no wiser.I figured it was something to do with dies , i'm glad i checked back.Of course i'm no closer to knowing what i have N7 or R5 or just a nice coin really.
The only thing that stood out for me was looking at the date , it doesn't look like other 1845's , it's the 8 in particular that doesnt seem right.


Edited to add the pic was taken on a yellow padded envelope with a canon 530

coinkid855

Here's a Newcomb 7. I can't tell if that's what yours is or not from your photos.




-Paul

JamesMurray

Thanks Paul , a wee light has gone on in my head , i might have a nice coin here.I didn't know about the numbers , i just thought the 8 looked funny.Thank you for the link

Walkerguy21D

I'm almost certain that your coin does not match the example provided by coinkid.....look at the proximity of the date to the dentils, then compare the base of the 1 to the dentil locations on each coin. They must be different varieties, and if Paul's is an N-7, then your coin is another one.

JamesMurray

Looking at it with a 30x loupe and counting the dentils/spacing , other than mine is a little more worn/circulated it looks pretty much identical.The difference between them must be miniscule.I'll blast it with the 150x celestron and get a pic.Thanks again Walkerguy21D

coinkat

Yuengling- great beer

JamesMurray

It is that Coinkat : )

Here's a close up on the date guy's.The color's off because the celestron uses built in led lighting.