2010 Proof Silver Eagles from US Mint

adriana

Received my 25 Proofs from the US Mint, haver to rerturn 12 of them because of nicks, thats 48%, not bad for QUALITY CONTROL! Guess what! I'm not buying anymore!!!

metalmeister

From the sound of things, the older mint staff retired and a bunch of newbees are running loose inside

Bubblehead

Not a single one of my 25 coin order are worth calling perfect. I am hoping

that 5 of them may certify PR69DC, and that might be difficult!

Oh well...

Wingsrule

I thought the return policy was "all or nothing"?

derryb

<< <i>I thought the return policy was "all or nothing"? >>


Only requirement is that "entire product" (each coin set) be intact. In this case, the coin, capsule, box and coa. In the case of a multicoin set all coins in the single set have to be returned. Return form shows "quantity shipped" to buyer and has a fill in the blank line item for "quantity returned."

57loaded

<< <i>I thought the return policy was "all or nothing"? >>



i returned 80 out of 100. 50 in one box and 30 in the second...expensive but i hope it pays off in grading the 20 i mailed yesterday.

JapanJohn

Haven't gotten mine yet but I collect the uncirc's as MS69 but collect the proofs in the original mint packaging. The fact that the coins may not be flawless bothers me not. It does bother me that people complain about the mint filling orders and then you find people ordering large quantities and then returning a bunch of them. That's got to choke the system somewhat.

I thought the mint instituted a tougher return policy this year.

John

derryb

<< <i>Haven't gotten mine yet but I collect the uncirc's as MS69 but collect the proofs in the original mint packaging. The fact that the coins may not be flawless bothers me not. It does bother me that people complain about the mint filling orders and then you find people ordering large quantities and then returning a bunch of them. That's got to choke the system somewhat.

I thought the mint instituted a tougher return policy this year.

John >>


A buyer of 100 is no less entitled to quality coins than a buyer of one. Quantity should have no bearing on expectation of quality.

19Lyds

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<< <i>I thought the return policy was "all or nothing"? >>



i returned 80 out of 100. 50 in one box and 30 in the second...expensive but i hope it pays off in grading the 20 i mailed yesterday. >>

You might just get a call from the US Mint asking why you returned so many.

BAJJERFAN

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i returned 80 out of 100. 50 in one box and 30 in the second...expensive but i hope it pays off in grading the 20 i mailed yesterday. >>

You might just get a call from the US Mint asking why you returned so many. >>



Proof is a method of manufacture; not an assurance of quality. Since proof coins are not intended for circulation; the expectations for quality are high and rightly so. There is really no excuse for producing these proof coins at less than PR69.

pitboss

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i returned 80 out of 100. 50 in one box and 30 in the second...expensive but i hope it pays off in grading the 20 i mailed yesterday. >>

You might just get a call from the US Mint asking why you returned so many. >>




I hope so but I doubt it with so many being returned.

RWB

There is really no excuse for producing these proof coins at less than PR69.

No mint, public or private, is associated with any "grading service" or their "standards."

US Mint has a generous 7-day return privilege. Seems sufficient for anyone collecting the medal-coins.

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i returned 80 out of 100. 50 in one box and 30 in the second...expensive but i hope it pays off in grading the 20 i mailed yesterday. >>

You might just get a call from the US Mint asking why you returned so many. >>



you will be the second to know


there was not a place to mark "quality of product". i guess if i returned 99...98...97 hopefully the "we won't call him amount is 80" is in play for me.

DuPapa

there was not a place to mark "quality of product".


...there was aplace to mark "Unacceptable quality" ..... close enuff to "quality of product" for me....

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>There is really no excuse for producing these proof coins at less than PR69.

No mint, public or private, is associated with any "grading service" or their "standards."

US Mint has a generous 7-day return privilege. Seems sufficient for anyone collecting the medal-coins. >>



I never implied that there was. Nicks, gouges, scratches, etc. are not acceptable IMO on proof coins not intended for commerce. I suppose they send them out hoping that the average purchaser doesn't care. Actually if 95+% of the proof ASEs grade PR69 at NGC and/or PCGS the mint is producing coins of PR69 quality whether they want to claim it or not. I wonder what their standards or guidelines for quality really are for these coins. I think their policy is "if it came from here it's good enough".

Bochiman

Glad I ordered ours early so I won't get the returns

pitboss

My next 2 orders of ten each should be here this week. I hope I am able to keep these coins. I am glad I spread them out like that.

BigE

They would also send out more coins at lesser quality if they had fewer planchets---------------------BigE

bumanchu

<< <i>They would also send out more coins at lesser quality if they had fewer planchets---------------------BigE >>



I don't follow you on that one.
bumanchu

tcmitssr

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Not a single one of my 25 coin order are worth calling perfect. I am hoping

that 5 of them may certify PR69DC, and that might be difficult!

Oh well... >>



OTOH, I put every one of mine under a 20x loupe and I'm very confident I have all 70's. They'll be submitted this week. I was marveling at how great the Mint got the job done right this time.

MsMorrisine

we have fewer planchets.

that means we can send out more coins?

BigE

Let me re-state: The Mint may not have enough coins to be able to afford the luxury of melting coins that would normally be classified as sub-standard---------BigE

boucharda

So we have a consensus:

I put every one of mine under a 20x loupe and I'm very confident I have all 70's.

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i returned 80 out of 100.

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Not a single one of my 25 coin order are worth calling perfect

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Received my 25 Proofs from the US Mint, haver to rerturn 12 of them because of nicks

REALGATOR

Even modern crap has variations. The machines wear, the plancet quality could vary, the polishing technique or effort can vary and numerous other human factors can all conspire to doom a potential PR70 or even 69. In this case the rush job may be the culprit for more imperfections than usual.

Perhaps not everyone has as much heart in it at the mint as those folks who cranked out SF Morgans from 1879 to 1882.

ricko

None received yet, however, I do not intend to examine mine under 20X.....Cheers, RickO

pitboss

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Not a single one of my 25 coin order are worth calling perfect. I am hoping

that 5 of them may certify PR69DC, and that might be difficult!

Oh well... >>



OTOH, I put every one of mine under a 20x loupe and I'm very confident I have all 70's. They'll be submitted this week. I was marveling at how great the Mint got the job done right this time. >>





You are not able to see very well or are the luckiest person in the United States of America.

GritsMan

<< <i>None received yet, however, I do not intend to examine mine under 20X.....Cheers, RickO >>



Ditto. This obsession with perfection seems a little pointless after a grade of 69, though it evidently is very profitable. But here's a thought: what's the satisfaction in having a coin that looks absolutely identical to millions of others? I like a little flaw here and there to help me recognize the unique nature of what I have.

NitroCruiser

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<< <i>None received yet, however, I do not intend to examine mine under 20X.....Cheers, RickO >>



Ditto. This obsession with perfection seems a little pointless after a grade of 69, though it evidently is very profitable. But here's a thought: what's the satisfaction in having a coin that looks absolutely identical to millions of others? I like a little flaw here and there to help me recognize the unique nature of what I have. >>





If the Mint put out all W's there would be little need for TPG's (at least for moderns). It would also kill prices on anything with an average mintage. The folks complaining about the lack of perfect coins to flip would be out of business. Of course the coins should look nice in hand. To each their own.

Bochiman

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<< <i>None received yet, however, I do not intend to examine mine under 20X.....Cheers, RickO >>



Ditto. This obsession with perfection seems a little pointless after a grade of 69, though it evidently is very profitable. But here's a thought: what's the satisfaction in having a coin that looks absolutely identical to millions of others? I like a little flaw here and there to help me recognize the unique nature of what I have. >>





If the Mint put out all W's there would be little need for Tog's (at least for moderns). It would also kill prices on anything with an average mintage. The folks complaining about the lack of perfect coins to flip would be out of business. Of course the coins should look nice in hand. To each their own. >>




It's the pure flippers, the ones who try to make money right away on flipping, that are the ones that have the biggest issues in times like this.
I, personally, don't like flawed coins, but those are flaws to the naked eye and ones that are super noticeable. I don't have a problem with small issues. Spotting, I can see, is an issue. Large scratches, machine marks, etc, would be a problem. Other, smaller, things....not so much.

MsMorrisine

6 for 6 again.

69s

ho hum.

AMRC

Ok, so you buy these coins, and if they are not MS70's (worth some multiple of what you paid for them) you send them back?

Is this thing on?

MsMorrisine

<< <i>Ok, so you buy these coins, and if they are not MS70's (worth some multiple of what you paid for them) you send them back?

Is this thing on? >>



No. I keep them. I have an entire collection of PR69DCams

(no 70s yet)

MFH

I received my order of ASE Proofs today.
One of the two I ordered had a chunk taken
out of the plastic capsule at the edge.

I'm glad I read this Thread because I thought
I had to return both coins. I'm not nearly as
fussy as some of you guys. I keep the ASE's
in their capsules and have them in an Eagle
Album.

Returning 80 out of 100 does seem like
you're taking advantage of a situation.
I'm surprised they don't cut you off from
future orders.

pitboss

<< <i>I received my order of ASE Proofs today.
One of the two I ordered had a chunk taken
out of the plastic capsule at the edge.

I'm glad I read this Thread because I thought
I had to return both coins. I'm not nearly as
fussy as some of you guys. I keep the ASE's
in their capsules and have them in an Eagle
Album.

Returning 80 out of 100 does seem like
you're taking advantage of a situation.
I'm surprised they don't cut you off from
future orders. >>






If they start sending out the coins like I sent back to them because they have run out of new one's you will see nothing but garbage from that point on.

I was told that they destroy returns but I don't believe them.

ricko

Mine would certainly merit 70's if I were to send them for grading - which I will not. Cheers, RickO

hammered54

and where do they go when there returned?.. back on the shelf?..into the next order? and are you sure ?