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psa now using tickers on non bump cards

firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
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just got a back a patch of 10 cards for review for bumps on the special. congrats to psa to finally putting a sticker on the non bumps telling the reason for the non bump in grade. arrows were pointing to problem spots like corners, rough edges, small stain, and centering. way better than before.
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  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    That's awesome! Thanks for the service PSA, great move.
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  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    and we bumped 5 out of 10.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    They've been doing that for a while. At least, when I submitted some cards for review a few years ago, the non-bump cards came back with stickers indicating the flaw or flaws that prevented the bump.
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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find this information very scary. If you submitted 10 cards and 5 came back with better grades that means they are doing a terrible job on the front end grading cards.

    I understand no one is perfect but they set strict guidelines for what should dictate a grade and they should get it right the first time.

    I am going to have to one day go through a bunch of my cards and send some back just in case.

  • 123Slider123Slider Posts: 851 ✭✭
    Dpeck, if your going to start weighing in on general topics outside your expertise, at least take the time to catch up with what's going on.

    Reviews are generally for cards graded before the .5 scale went into play. Not always, but the OP didn't say otherwise.

    He also did not say they bumped a full point. So the issue of concern you have about the grades needs to be taken into context. He didn't get a sub back yesterday and sub it again today and get different results on half his cards.

    He sent 10 cards he felt would improve by at least a half point and he was correct on half, for which he deserves a round of applause.
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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am all for people getting as strong a grade as possible if the card warrents it.

    And yes I was not aware of how recent the change was to a 1/2 point scale. I have read on here many times about full point bumps which I find to be an issue with the grading companies acuracy.

    I have subbed about 300 cards and own a large number more then that and I am quite aware of what a card should grade. Just becuase I no longer buy baseball cards has no relevence to my knowledge of card condition.

    There is a huge difference in value when it comes to older cards on a 1/2 and certainly a full point on all cards.

    Going forward now that there is a 1/2 scale this should diminsh the number of bumps on newer subs and if not then that is a real problem.

  • jswietonjswieton Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭
    In defense to Dpeck100 I have had cards that were graded a PSA 6 that have got 9's after I cracked and subed them again a few months later.
  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭


    << <i>In defense to Dpeck100 I have had cards that were graded a PSA 6 that have got 9's after I cracked and subed them again a few months later. >>





    That's not as strong an indictment as it may seem
    Probably a thorough grader saw a tiny wrinkle on them the first time
    Perhaps the second grader didn't see the tiny wrinkle (not a big deal, IMO) or took it for something other than a wrinkle
    That's the only way I can see going 6 to 9
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There should never be an example of this happening.

    The value proposition of the grading companies is to potentially increase your cards value with a non biased third party grader.


    If a card goes from a 9 to a 10 I can potentially see this as not being a huge problem as many 9's look like 10's.


    An EX-MT going to Mint is not acceptable in my book and really kills the concept of card grading. Fortunately this is not that common.

  • waverleewaverlee Posts: 104 ✭
    Hard to believe that 5 out of 10 changed grades. PSA is very accurate and consistent in their grading and hire only the best experts, so they should almost always get the grade right.

    I would think that if you took 100 cards and submitted them, you would get at least 98 out of the 100 to come back the same exact grade the next time.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Finally some common sense!!

    This is terrible news and means that if you have a ton of graded cards many of them may not be the right grade.

    I have a few very high end cards I would love to try and cross but the cost would be very high. If PSA can't get many of their own grades right then why bother trying to cross expensive cards.

    This is my Hulk Hogan BGS 9, this is a mint condition card all the way.

    But it won't cross I don't think becuase of top to bottom centering which in recent months PSA has become so strick on these 1982 Wrestling All Stars A hence the large number of PSA 9(oc). This card can not be run on any of the specials so it would be quite expensive to find out and with three 9.5 grades this is by far the best 9 out there and is nicer then my PSA 9.

    The idea a card can go from EX-MT to Mint is simply awful and this should never happen.




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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    just hit 2 out of 6 half grade bumps...mind you this was out of 400+ cards...down to about 20 that deserved a resub...the top 6 going to PSA...not just 6 random slabs
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1.5% resub is more like it. That means they are right in your mind 98.50% of the time.

  • waverleewaverlee Posts: 104 ✭
    I think you are right with the 98.5% accuracy number. PSA is the BEST by far. How did Beckett give that Hulk Hogan a 9.5 for centering? If you send it to PSA, they'll get the grade right, Beckett missed on that one.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think it is a 9.5 for centering. If you look though at many of the cards from this set, many don't have any with a higher margin on the bottom. Some of the cards do have perfect centering.

    Beckett gives out grades that sometimes baffle me. I have never subbed with them and I will admit there have been a few times I was surprised by a lower grade but after lengthy inspection I came to the conclusion PSA was right.

    I have 10 graded Wrestling All Stars Hulk Hogan cards and trust me this is the best.

    This is a mint condition card. I have enough to know what one looks like.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    I see marks on the lower right (ink?) and lower left (stain?)


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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, I showed it to Wcsports, PSA 9(oc) was his thoughts.

    I have PSA 10's with print issues. That is how these came.


    I have four PSA 7's, three PSA 8's, a PSA 9, a BGS 8.5 and a BGS 9 of Hogan.


    This card is a blazer trust me. The printing issues with these are so bad and when an entire issue has that you half to take that into consideration.


    Check out my Dusty Rhodes 10. You will see what I am talking about.


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  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515
    Humans aren't perfect, we're flawed.
  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    TO WAVERLEE SINCE YOU DONT BELIEVE
    1 1 90477528 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 TOPPS 55 ERNIE BANKS Card US
    2 1 05011895 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1960 TOPPS 564 WILLIE MAYS ALL STAR Card US
    3 1 07287721 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1964 TOPPS 125 PETE ROSE ALL-STAR ROOKIE Card US
    4 1 07268873 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1967 TOPPS 430 PETE ROSE Card US
    5 1 90187871 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1967 TOPPS 500 JUAN MARICHAL Card US
    6 1 03014816 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1967 TOPPS 560 JIM BUNNING Card US
    7 1 30660873 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1967 TOPPS 567 STEVE HAMILTON Card US
    8 1 09207896 MINT 9 1967 TOPPS 606 RON TAYLOR Card US
    9 1 15195859 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 TOPPS 458 PETE ROSE Card US
    10 1 09093022 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 100 PETE ROSE
    # 2 Pete Rose Master Set , also
    collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That's the only way I can see going 6 to 9 >>



    If 6 was 9
  • CrimsonTiderCrimsonTider Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭
    Useless link, please stay on topic
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  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,913 ✭✭✭
    that looks like a BCCG 9


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  • ReljacReljac Posts: 758


    << <i>This is my Hulk Hogan BGS 9, this is a mint condition card all the way.
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    I completely disagree that card is almost on the verge of Miscut top/bottom.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>just got a back a patch of 10 cards for review for bumps on the special. congrats to psa to finally putting a sticker on the non bumps telling the reason for the non bump in grade. arrows were pointing to problem spots like corners, rough edges, small stain, and centering. way better than before. >>



    I believe they only do this at the higher service levels. For the $3.50 special for review of <$100 cards, they didn't put stickers on the cards. They did however for the >$100 cards I submitted at the same time.
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  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    a few of these were less than $100 so dosent seems that applies. i dunno
    # 2 Pete Rose Master Set , also
    collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice cards in your submission by the way.
  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    thank you.
    # 2 Pete Rose Master Set , also
    collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
  • burke23burke23 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    Dpeck - there are plenty of cards that can reside in another slab, and rightfully so. I have cracked and re-subbed a lot of cards and gotten different grades. Sometimes higher, a few times lower. I've made quite a bit of money doing this too (by my standards, anyway). Grading is not a science, and until it is human subjectivity will always factor in. I don't have a problem with that.
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  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    To add comment to the original post, I got these back from PSA today:
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    It was only a 2-card review order and the Munson did bump
    But this is only the second time I've seen sticky notes on a case indicating the reason for no bump
    Apparently there's an issue with Ryan's lower left corner but I have not idea what
    Anyway looks like they're making more of an effort to let submitters know
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