Gold Leak - 1933
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Detail image on the left is the closing gold coin balance of the Denver Mint on March 6, 1933. The image on the right is the closing gold coin balance for the same mint for March 7.
Notice that $200 in half eagles “vanished.” These are not mentioned in the coin paid out for March 7 – but they should have been.
Other, comparable “leaks” appear in the Cashier’s records for all three mints during the Feb-June 1933 period. Still searching for them all.
[These are excerpted from the "Cashier's Daily Statement of Receipts, Disbursements and Balances" for the Denver Mint.]
Notice that $200 in half eagles “vanished.” These are not mentioned in the coin paid out for March 7 – but they should have been.
Other, comparable “leaks” appear in the Cashier’s records for all three mints during the Feb-June 1933 period. Still searching for them all.
[These are excerpted from the "Cashier's Daily Statement of Receipts, Disbursements and Balances" for the Denver Mint.]
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Then again, who wouldn't want an extra $200 in 1933
these things. Perhaps they could catch the culprit!
bob
<< <i>It's always possible it is a typo!
Then again, who wouldn't want an extra $200 in 1933
Note that the total line has also changed by $200. This makes it not likely to be a typo.
TD
Will this somehow tie into the Double Eagles even though the disparity exists with the Half Eagles?
John
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Unfortunately, the Vault Custodian’s journals are missing. These would show the contents of all vaults and when they were opened, what was added or removed, and when they were resealed. With these, we could determine what happened to the 12,000 1895 dollars, and follow the flow of coins from press room to vault to distribution.
Not me, that denomination was a discontinued one.
<< <i>Original documents are in NARA, College Park, MD. They are useful in demonstrating that mint accounting of balances is not always completely accurate. Most Cashier's daily statements are correct to the penny, but some have unexplained discrepancies. This kind of thing undermines the present Treasury argument (and those from 1944 & 47) that the mints' cashier and vault records are both complete and accurate for 1933.
Unfortunately, the Vault Custodian’s journals are missing. These would show the contents of all vaults and when they were opened, what was added or removed, and when they were resealed. With these, we could determine what happened to the 12,000 1895 dollars, and follow the flow of coins from press room to vault to distribution. >>
Good Luck with it. While not related to coins I'm currently picking apart the island of Ie Shima in Japan which was invaded during WW2. The island is where Ernie Pyle was killed and also the surrender delegation landed there before going to the Missouri. Last time I was there I managed to "find" some old defensive caves and I'm currently researching a previous tourist site and have dead ended and hope to find some answers in the National Archives. So certainly interested to read about your research methods.
Link to my Ie Shima musings.
Ghosts of Ie Shima
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<< <i>NARA in College Park, MD has a huge store of military records and a bunch of archivists on duty every day to help researchers. >>
Thanks. A friend of mine did some Archive searches regarding a downed B-29 bomber here called the Lonesome Lady. Most of the crew was jailed in Hiroshima and died in the Atomic bombing. They have a marker here which I find unusual. A marker with inscription for an enemy aircraft. Also he did some NA searches on certain types of structures here which were small single aircraft hangars. One still exists on the base and has a reproduction Zero in it.
I'm intrigued with the research methods he used and my ears perk up when I see research like yours.
In my case a tourist site was marked 502nd Squadron Departure Site and then inexplicably the local tourist maps no longer show it. Then in addition to that during a search of the island I found a cave with a marker said 502nd Headquarters and it has not appeared on any tourist maps that I am aware of. The local mayor was asked and provided an answer that I knew he didn't know the answer and made something up.
I'll get to the bottom of it, but will take time and hard work. Would love to see a NAT GEO team come to Ie Shima and do the things I'd never be able to do. The history is all still there and living in the brains of the old people on the island.
John
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This reminds me of the US airman buried on an Aleutian island by the then Japanes occupiers. They buried him with honors and errected a tombstone in Japanese with a glowing inscription. Sort of like "here lies buried a brave young soldier who died for his country."
<< <i><<They have a marker here which I find unusual. A marker with inscription for an enemy aircraft.>>
This reminds me of the US airman buried on an Aleutian island by the then Japanes occupiers. They buried him with honors and errected a tombstone in Japanese with a glowing inscription. Sort of like "here lies buried a brave young soldier who died for his country." >>
Almost exactly what this thing says. It says 800 meters from this spot, blah, blah, blah. B-29. 7 or 8 crew members, blah, blah, blah. These men died for their country.
Very interesting. It's in the middle of nowhere too. A google on Lonesome Lady yields the fascinating story. Of course it's more fascinating to those of us who can actually drive or ride a bicycle there and view it.
Back to coins. Sorry for the minor thread jack.
John
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...maybe it's just too early this morning...
<< <i>Note that the total line has also changed by $200. This makes it not likely to be a typo. >>
And so the plot thickens.
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<< <i>In the picture, it would appear the 570 in the 6Mar total has been erased and retyped.. Could be just an illusion. Cheers, RickO >>
I noticed that too but figured they just corrected a typo.
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<< <i>In the picture, it would appear the 570 in the 6Mar total has been erased and retyped.. Could be just an illusion. Cheers, RickO >>
Do you mean the 608? It looks like there's something erased there. BTW, if these are dollar amounts, none of these totals add up.
<< <i><<Does anybody else find it odd that they had no quarter eagles?>>
Not me, that denomination was a discontinued one. >>
As was the half eagle, in the same year, but they still had half eagle coins.
TD
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<< <i>In the picture, it would appear the 570 in the 6Mar total has been erased and retyped.. Could be just an illusion. Cheers, RickO >>
Do you mean the 608? It looks like there's something erased there. BTW, if these are dollar amounts, none of these totals add up. >>
All of the columns total down correctly.
Ignore the figure at the bottom, which was being held for recoining.
TD
Could that represent 10 1933 double eagles?
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<< <i><<Does anybody else find it odd that they had no quarter eagles?>>
Not me, that denomination was a discontinued one. >>
Half eagles had also been discontinued -- both in 1929.
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<< <i><<Does anybody else find it odd that they had no quarter eagles?>>
Not me, that denomination was a discontinued one. >>
As was the half eagle, in the same year, but they still had half eagle coins.
TD >>
Already mentioned.
Not me, that denomination was a discontinued one. >>
As was the half eagle, in the same year, but they still had half eagle coins.
TD >>
Quarter and half eagles were not discntined in the same sense.
Quarter eagles were discontinued by the Act of April 11, 1930.
Half eagles were never discontinued in that sense, but mintage was suspended.
<< <i><<<< <<Does anybody else find it odd that they had no quarter eagles?>>
Not me, that denomination was a discontinued one. >>
As was the half eagle, in the same year, but they still had half eagle coins.
TD >>
Quarter and half eagles were not discntined in the same sense.
Quarter eagles were discontinued by the Act of April 11, 1930.
Half eagles were never discontinued in that sense, but mintage was suspended. >>
Interesting. Thank you.
Sure does make you wonder why they made so many in 1925-29.
TD