What's the best grade a cards can have with a crease in it?

Smittys

I'm looking at a nice 34 Lou Gehrig but it has a crease.

bobbyw8469

I think the absolute best a card can have with a crease is a 3.5. It would normally get just a 3, but if it is perfectly centered and has good corners then a 3.5 is possible.

CapeMOGuy

From the PSA site:
EX 5: Excellent
Excellent On PSA EX-5 cards, very minor rounding of the corners is becoming evident. Surface wear or printing defects are more visible. There may be minor chipping on edges. Loss of original gloss will be more apparent. Focus of picture may be slightly out-of-register. Several light scratches may be visible upon close inspection, but do not detract from the appeal of the card. Card may show some off-whiteness of borders. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.
VG-EX 4: Very Good-Excellent
A PSA VG-EX 4 card's corners may be slightly rounded. Surface wear is noticeable but modest. The card may have light scuffing or light scratches. Some original gloss will be retained. Borders may be slightly off-white. A light crease may be visible. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.
VG 3: Very Good
A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
GOOD 2: Good
A PSA Good 2 card's corners show accelerated rounding and surface wear is starting to become obvious. A good card may have scratching, scuffing, light staining, or chipping of enamel on obverse. There may be several creases. Original gloss may be completely absent. Card may show considerable discoloration. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
FR 1.5: Fair
A PSA Fair 1.5 card's corners will show extreme wear, possibly affecting framing of the picture. The surface of the card will show advanced stages of wear, including scuffing, scratching, pitting, chipping and staining. The picture will possibly be quite out-of-register and the borders may have become brown and dirty. The card may have one or more heavy creases. In order to achieve a Fair grade, a card must be fully intact. Even though the card may be heavily worn, it cannot achieve this grade if it is missing solid pieces of the card as a result of a major tear, etc. This would include damage such as the removal of the back layer of the card or an entire corner. The centering must be approximately 90/10 or better on the front and back.


I have had cards come back with a PSA 5 that had a "crease" that did not go all the way through the card. More like a light ripple on the top side.

lsutigers1973

<< <i>I think the absolute best a card can have with a crease is a 3.5. It would normally get just a 3, but if it is perfectly centered and has good corners then a 3.5 is possible. >>



Wrong as usual. I have had quite a few PSA 5's with creases even though I believe the first mention of a crease in PSA's standards is on a PSA 4.

WinPitcher

Smitty

It depends on the severity and placement of the crease.

Other flaws or lack thereof will also play a role in the actual grade given.

Anything else is pure conjecture at this point.


Steve

bobbyw8469

<< <i>Wrong as usual. I have had quite a few PSA 5's with creases even though I believe the first mention of a crease in PSA's standards is on a PSA 4. >>



And as usual, your blunders are coming through loud and clear. I have also had a card come back a PSA 6 with paper loss on the front!!! So what does that tell you - we both have overgraded cards??? Give me a break and get off of my back!

To answer the original posters question, it depends on what type of card you are dealing with. They treat '33 Goudey's different from '57 Topps. and '68 Topps different from '81 Topps, et al.

lsutigers1973

<< <i>And as usual, your blunders are coming through loud and clear. I have also had a card come back a PSA 6 with paper loss on the front!!! So what does that tell you - we both have overgraded cards??? >>



What does overgrading cards have to do with anything? Dude asked what is the highest grade you can get with a crease and you said 3 or 3.5. You were once again wrong and trying to blame someone else.

Any chance your real name is Earl?

jimrad

I think I will throw some Orville Redenbacher in the microwave

bobbyw8469

<< <i>You were once again wrong and trying to blame someone else >>



Nope....I was saying what the PSA cards SHOULD be according to how I have seen my own personal cards come back (for the most part - I have only sent over 700 cards in for grading, so what do I know).......I have seen creases/surface wrinkles, whatever you want to call them on cards as high as a '6'.....that is not the norm I believe. The original poster was asking a question, and I was offering him some advice. Me personally, if I bought a '4' with a surface wrinkle/crease in it, I would be not very happy and try to get my money back, or send it to PSA for review to see if I could get some free vouchers. Are there cards that are '4's' with creases in them? Sure.....is there overgraded cards out there? You betcha.......case closed..........

cwazzy

I have cards that are 4's and 5's with minor creasing. It all depends on severity and location of a crease. If you consider a wrinkle a crease it can get a 5. Here are a couple of examples of my cards with creases:

bobbyw8469

Cwazzy is right. I think they are more lenient if the crease/spider wrinkle is on a corner and not very big. There are alot of variables involved, and there is really no cut and dry answer to the posters question. I was just trying to give a general consensus answer based upon what I have seen myself. So much animosity directed towards me however, I guess I am not allowed to give my opinion.....

fiveniner

I would say no higher than 4.

jimrad

when is a case really closed?

Dpeck100

Bobbyw,

LSU is a total loser and since he has no bread only likes to try and stir the pot and pick on people. He is a typical keyboard warrior.

I side with you a crease as the original question was asked is a 3 or 4 at most. A surface wrinkle that you have to put under an extremly bright light and look for a while to find will get an EX 5 at most even if the card is mint other wise.

Estil

As far as PSA is concerned, even just one tiny itty-bitty wrinkle drops it down to no more than a PSA 5.

WinPitcher

<< <i>LSU is a total loser and since he has no bread only likes to try and stir the pot and pick on people. He is a typical keyboard warrior. >>







Steve

lsutigers1973

<< <i>Bobbyw,

LSU is a total loser and since he has no bread only likes to try and stir the pot and pick on people. He is a typical keyboard warrior.

I side with you a crease as the original question was asked is a 3 or 4 at most. A surface wrinkle that you have to put under an extremly bright light and look for a while to find will get an EX 5 at most even if the card is mint other wise. >>



May I have more pictures of things that your brother has done.

Where's Gecko when I need a W-2 battle?

RipublicaninMass

<< <i>
And as usual, your blunders are coming through loud and clear. I have also had a card come back a PSA 6 with paper loss on the front!!! >>




Got a pic, thought not

bobbyw8469

<< <i>Got a pic, thought not >>



Why don't you give me time to scan one Mr Impatient!!!

bobbyw8469

Nice ear Big Chief!!! ( and NO...that is NOT war paint!)......

bobbyw8469

And this is a normal one.....so there you got Ripublican Mass!!!! Is that a good enough pic for you good buddy????

swartz1

looks like that is a bad grader mistake...

to answer the original question - I am gonna say 5.5

bobbyw8469

I can't hear Ripublican Mass anymore because of how loud the CRICKETS are chirping!!!

RipublicaninMass

looks like paper stuck from another source rather than paperloss, just MHO

Griffins

Here's a card with a bit of paper stuck on the front, it got a 2 (I bought it graded). I have no doubt it would bump a few grades if I cracked it and flicked the paper off, it's not stuck on there that hard.
That N2 is horrible, should be a 1.

Morgoth

I love Rice Stix my dads favorite cards

I have had 8's with creases but were taken back by PSA.

To answer the question PSA views paper wrinkles differently than creases. A crease breakes through both sides of the card while a wrinkle is only visible on one.

Max Grade Wrinkle- PSA 5
Max Grade Crease- PSA 4

MeteoriteGuy

I have a couple PSA 10's with creases. One I think maybe the grader was using some type of small pliers to hold the card, another the slabbing machine got it. The later is really sad as it is a pop 1 and part of one the PSA all-time football sets,,,,a $100+? card....now worthless.