Really PSA?

clayshooter22 · October 14, 2010 3:05AM

This is the third time, today, I find cards on eBay from large submitters that keep gettig returned on my submissions as not gradable....What is going on?

I only submit about 500 cards a year but I am forced to double pay shipping, both ways, and take the chance of damage each trip to New Port Beach...

Mike

al032184 · October 14, 2010 3:07AM

looks like it

swartz1 · October 14, 2010 3:46AM

if you could provide some examples, it would be helpful...

5714Ks · October 14, 2010 4:06AM

maybe that is why the large submitters are selling them on ebay?

jimrad · October 14, 2010 4:09AM

+1

MeteoriteGuy · October 14, 2010 4:21AM

<< if you could provide some examples, it would be helpful... >>

Pretty meaningless post without.

But I do find it strange this upsets anyone, and others have complained about it. PSA does not grade all cards, and will likely grade some in the future, it does not now. How is this a big thing?

hhmag70 · October 14, 2010 4:27AM

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<< if you could provide some examples, it would be helpful... >>

Pretty meaningless post without.

But I do find it strange this upsets anyone, and others have complained about it. PSA does not grade all cards, and will likely grade some in the future, it does not now. How is this a big thing? >>

So if PSA will grade "card A" for me and you send it in and they tell you that they will not grade it (even though they graded it for me), you are ok with that? I think that is what the OP was getting at.

OAKESY25 · October 14, 2010 4:27AM

are you saying you see them being sold graded? and yours are not being graded?
or you bought them raw from large submitters?

MeteoriteGuy · October 14, 2010 4:32AM

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<< if you could provide some examples, it would be helpful... >>

Pretty meaningless post without.

But I do find it strange this upsets anyone, and others have complained about it. PSA does not grade all cards, and will likely grade some in the future, it does not now. How is this a big thing? >>

So if PSA will grade "card A" for me and you send it in and they tell you that they will not grade it (even though they graded it for me), you are ok with that? I think that is what the OP was getting at. >>

I am not sure how long you have been playing with PSA cards, but every time almost it starts grading a card it didn't...we get a thread.

This again is not new, and PSA does not grade all cards now.

If that happened to me, I would just include it in my next order. The card, like the Post issues, are likely getting graded now. Again, not a big deal. It's like you guys just want to complain.

hhmag70 · October 14, 2010 4:39AM

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<< if you could provide some examples, it would be helpful... >>

Pretty meaningless post without.

But I do find it strange this upsets anyone, and others have complained about it. PSA does not grade all cards, and will likely grade some in the future, it does not now. How is this a big thing? >>

So if PSA will grade "card A" for me and you send it in and they tell you that they will not grade it (even though they graded it for me), you are ok with that? I think that is what the OP was getting at. >>

I am not sure how long you have been playing with PSA cards, but every time almost it starts grading a card it didn't...we get a thread.

This again is not new, and PSA does not grade all cards now.

If that happened to me, I would just include it in my next order. The card, like the Post issues, are likely getting graded now. Again, not a big deal. It's like you guys just want to complain. >>

Again I will spell it out for you, a little slower this time.

They grade a card for me and you see it available for sale, you then submit the card and they tell you no. But yet they graded it for me and all you can say is "you guys just want to complain".

lsutigers1973 · October 14, 2010 5:16AM

<< They grade a card for me and you see it available for sale, you then submit the card and they tell you no. But yet they graded it for me and all you can say is "you guys just want to complain". >>

I think you're missing the point.

If I read this correctly, he is upset because he subbed a card and PSA would not grade it but found the same card already graded for sale on eBay by a bulk submitter.

If that is correct, then that is not that big a deal. PSA has discontinued grading on numerous types of cards, 1984 Nestle baseball for example. They can't just go around buying up all the graded examples of brands that they don't grade any more.

CNote · October 14, 2010 5:27AM

And those cards that are N9 (I believe that's no longer graded) will eventually get yanked from your registries....

TheVon · October 14, 2010 6:55AM

<< If that is correct, then that is not that big a deal. PSA has discontinued grading on numerous types of cards, 1984 Nestle baseball for example. They can't just go around buying up all the graded examples of brands that they don't grade any more. >>

I was under the impression, perhaps mistakenly, that PSA has begun grading 1984 Nestle cards again. Not only has eBay been "flooded" with them, but they've been added to many player sets recently.

lsutigers1973 · October 14, 2010 7:02AM

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<< If that is correct, then that is not that big a deal. PSA has discontinued grading on numerous types of cards, 1984 Nestle baseball for example. They can't just go around buying up all the graded examples of brands that they don't grade any more. >>

I was under the impression, perhaps mistakenly, that PSA has begun grading 1984 Nestle cards again. Not only has eBay been "flooded" with them, but they've been added to many player sets recently. >>

You are correct. Probably a bad example. PSA used to grade them, then stopped. Now they grade them again with the "Hand Cut" designation but you get the point.

MeteoriteGuy · October 14, 2010 9:41AM

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<< if you could provide some examples, it would be helpful... >>

Pretty meaningless post without.

But I do find it strange this upsets anyone, and others have complained about it. PSA does not grade all cards, and will likely grade some in the future, it does not now. How is this a big thing? >>

So if PSA will grade "card A" for me and you send it in and they tell you that they will not grade it (even though they graded it for me), you are ok with that? I think that is what the OP was getting at. >>

I am not sure how long you have been playing with PSA cards, but every time almost it starts grading a card it didn't...we get a thread.

This again is not new, and PSA does not grade all cards now.

If that happened to me, I would just include it in my next order. The card, like the Post issues, are likely getting graded now. Again, not a big deal. It's like you guys just want to complain. >>

Again I will spell it out for you, a little slower this time.

They grade a card for me and you see it available for sale, you then submit the card and they tell you no. But yet they graded it for me and all you can say is "you guys just want to complain". >>

My post was not personal at you, but rather those that have made this complaint...which we have seen a dozen or so times. Not sure why you are getting so personal with me.

If you want to talk like that...then use a real card example and we can properly discuss it. Other then that, I will assume it is like a dozen other like issues. Odd-ball issues are just that...odd=ball. PSA policy is likely to change over time on certain cards...as is collectors thoughts on such cards.

And like another poster noted....if they no longer grade the card, they will remove it from the registry sets.

So again...what is the big deal?

If you have a real life example of them turning your card down, and grading 10 for 4SQ or the like the same week, then please provide it.

goye · October 14, 2010 9:51AM

???

poof

trolling & baiting for 200.00 alex

RipublicaninMass · October 14, 2010 9:54AM

I have had a few cards come back "too fragile to holder"...my excuse was "it is too fragile NOT to holder"

MeteoriteGuy · October 14, 2010 10:10AM

<< I have had a few cards come back "too fragile to holder"...my excuse was "it is too fragile NOT to holder" >>

Seems like they could find a sealer that doen't literally create a sonic boom.

clayshooter22 · October 14, 2010 1:03PM

The seller is a board member here. It is listed on eBay. He did submit recently - the cards are not even in the pop reports yet. They are unlicensed, don't have team names, player names or team logos.

I have subbed the same card back when I didn't know better at least 3-4 times.

Today I see it offered for sale in a PSA holder.

Now, I'm really not as pissed that mine didn't sneak by as I am that they slabbed an obvious unlicensed card. It doesn't hurt the conspiracy theory that the submitter sends twice as many cards a month than I send in a year...

This should never make the player master but if the unlicensed card gets by the grading and slabbing it will undoubtedly get by the registry people at some point.

...of course....now I have to buy it, lol.

CNote · October 14, 2010 1:07PM

<< The seller is a board member here. It is listed on eBay. He did submit recently - the cards are not even in the pop reports yet. They are unlicensed, don't have team names, player names or team logos.

I have subbed the same card back when I didn't know better at least 3-4 times.

Today I see it offered for sale in a PSA holder.

Now, I'm really not as pissed that mine didn't sneak by as I am that they slabbed an obvious unlicensed card. It doesn't hurt the conspiracy theory that the submitter sends twice as many cards a month than I send in a year...

This should never make the player master but if the unlicensed card gets by the grading and slabbing it will undoubtedly get by the registry people at some point.

...of course....now I have to buy it, lol. >>

Gee, I wonder what board member it is....and, what's the card? Don't buy it, and email Cosetta or BJ to make sure it doesn't get added to the registry at any point.

Boopotts · October 14, 2010 1:36PM

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<< The seller is a board member here. It is listed on eBay. He did submit recently - the cards are not even in the pop reports yet. They are unlicensed, don't have team names, player names or team logos.

I have subbed the same card back when I didn't know better at least 3-4 times.

Today I see it offered for sale in a PSA holder.

Now, I'm really not as pissed that mine didn't sneak by as I am that they slabbed an obvious unlicensed card. It doesn't hurt the conspiracy theory that the submitter sends twice as many cards a month than I send in a year...

This should never make the player master but if the unlicensed card gets by the grading and slabbing it will undoubtedly get by the registry people at some point.

...of course....now I have to buy it, lol. >>

Gee, I wonder what board member it is....and, what's the card? Don't buy it, and email Cosetta or BJ to make sure it doesn't get added to the registry at any point. >>

I'm guessing the '92 Baseball Enquirer set. There's one on Ebay right now being sold by Roger.

jeffcbay · October 14, 2010 9:49PM

If there was any doubts as to whether they would grade your card or not, wouldn't you save a little money by calling or emailing PSA to make sure they grade that particular card?

clayshooter22 · October 15, 2010 1:54AM

FYI. Member is an upstanding member here and my comments are not aimed at him in any way which is the reason for the title of thread aimed at PSA.

clayshooter22 · October 15, 2010 1:59AM

<< If there was any doubts as to whether they would grade your card or not, wouldn't you save a little money by calling or emailing PSA to make sure they grade that particular card? >>

Yes. and I have. Their policy is no unlicensed cards which is why the response was always, no. To find it now in a PSA slab is dissappointing.

If we can get 37 different variations of 88 Topps Stickercard to each hold a spot in the registry then these will undoubtedly get in too. Sad.

All that said....I still want one, lol.

MeteoriteGuy · October 15, 2010 3:46AM

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<< If there was any doubts as to whether they would grade your card or not, wouldn't you save a little money by calling or emailing PSA to make sure they grade that particular card? >>

Yes. and I have. Their policy is no unlicensed cards which is why the response was always, no. To find it now in a PSA slab is dissappointing.

If we can get 37 different variations of 88 Topps Stickercard to each hold a spot in the registry then these will undoubtedly get in too. Sad.

All that said....I still want one, lol. >>

When you say you sent submitted some in the past and called them...what does past mean? It appears to me PSA relax a few months ago, like when they started redoing the Post cards. I have seen several other particle or maybe not licensed cards since then, such as a the football stop and go.

The stickercard variations from my understanding, no longer are allowed as you noted...is there are any set like that? Personally, I think they should all be included, they are all regular cards. Unlike say panel card variations.

Edit to add....guess they only removed the panel variation.

MeteoriteGuy · October 15, 2010 3:54AM

Are you going to tell us when you called on these cards, when you submitted them, or what the cards are...or just keep taking shots at PSA without providing any real info?

MeteoriteGuy · October 15, 2010 4:43AM

That is a very nice Puckett collect you have clayshooter.

There is a Bret Saberhagen game-used bat signed to Puckett on eBay tempting me.

clayshooter22 · October 15, 2010 6:12AM

Mark,

Boo hit it with the Enquirer cards. I have submissions from multiple accounts going back many years but the current account has entries going back to 2006 with the card submitted 3-4 times in one of the 30+ orders I've sent. I wish they had the info on returned cards in the order details.

I'm sure I have the emails to Gayle Kean going back about two years when she expelained the unlicensed card issue to me.

So I think the answers to your questions are:

Card: 1992 Baseball Enquirer
Date: emails dating around June 2008 from Gayle explaining PSA does not grade unlicensed cards (still don't).
I submitted various times 2006-2008.
Per Gayle, I have not submitted since 2008.

Mark, does that give a better picture?

Thanks on the set.

Yes, I would rather they just dropped the variations where there is the same Puckett front/back but different opposite player pictures. I want the variations where there is a different Puckett picture but not the same 15 Pucketts with 15 different players on reverse. I know, I know, that makes waaay too much sense.

..and I'm not opposed to the Enquirer cards getting slabbed as I have many cool issues that I'd like to have slabbed under the private issue service but it takes forever to get issues added and removed from the registry so I guess I'm dreading the work to correct the registry. The Puckett registry has been turned upside down over the last year or two as the number of issues has been raised from 300 to 1050, and I know the final count should be closer to 2300 after we get everything in there.

Mike

MeteoriteGuy · October 15, 2010 7:44AM

The fact that you submitted them two years ago does matter. I imagine you collect Puckett not graded?

Take for example my Young collection, about 2500 different cards, stopped counting at 2000 so I dont know. There are likely 300 cards in it, PSA either will not grade, or will not let me register. I would guess, this is the same for any PC with a good sized collection. So it really dont matter to me if say, PSA does not want to grade the 1988 49ers Police or the say even 1995 Pacific Gems of the Crown (I think they will grade both). The point is...I can never have all my cards slabbed...even if I wanted to pay the $30,000 or whatever to do so.

I can somewhat understand registry concerns, or problems with the registry...but even here, pretty much all the sets, are messed up in some fashion or the other, in my opinion.

The Young basic set has cards I question being there...like starting lineup is basic? or like the 1996 Score where they dont use the normal card, but a subset card, or in the Master set, where there is a 1 of 1 weighted at like 8...hard to say they missed it..and gave it a weight of 8.

On my Marcus Allen sets I have a Pacific insert card that I have submitted 10-12 times, and it still is not part of the set. It is a die-cut helmet shaped card...maybe they think it is a real helmet or something? Who knows.

Or the Heisman set I collect, where we use the wrong cards, like Ty Detmer, we have the 1992 Stadium Club over the 1991 Pro Set. Hard to get more basic then Pro Set.

And acording to PSA...my Saberhagen 84 RC's are not his RCs.

I could go on....but I really dont see why these little things bother people. Only in the rarest case will these one or two registry issues make any difference in competition. Usually the #1 guy, is clearly the #1 guy.

I dont collect for the registry. I don't care if PSA thinks only 1985 Saberhagen's are RCs or whatever.

Edit to add, having said that, I am #1 in the registry on all my player sets, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and Steve Young. Took over the Allen set last month.

MeteoriteGuy · October 19, 2010 1:49PM

Just a note I was finally able to ad the Marcus Allen card I was referring to today...maybe somebody read this? Not sure, but I submitted the thing like 10 times before the registry version 2 thing, and a few times since.

Really PSA?

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