I take option 'A' all day long. But then, I also wouldn't whine if Ebay caught wind of that and shut down my account. >>
Boo, A Little confused!! Why would E-bay care if you turned down an Off E-Bay deal?
Neil >>
My bad, Neil-- I meant option 'B'. >>
That's what I figured, just wanted to check, and I agree with what you said. And I will take the responsibility for my actions. Does that mean I am never going to complain about the amounts I pay PayBay, No Never! That doesn't mean I am stomping my feet and acting like a child, just means I have an opinion on a subject and sometimes voice it!!!
YeeHah
Neil
Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
House A always has a lot of players with deep pockets, well stocked bar/buffet, and it typically resolves disputes in a reasonable time. They factor all of their amenities and take a disclosed cut.
House B is rarely full, offers a couple snacks, and let's the guys duke out problems. Their cut is minimal and you pay for what you get.
Everyone has a choice.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
For an non-ebay transaction if you request to be paid by paypal "gift" so you can receive the benefits of their service, i.e., quick payment and almost immediate access to your money but skirt the costs associated with it by using the "gift" function - then you are using the service for free and essentially stealing from them.
That is not what the gift function is for and you know it. It is no justification that you think their service is priced too high and that they are a quasi-monopoly. If you think something is priced too high in a store, does that give you the right to change the price tag or steal it?
Nobody has to use paypal for non-ebay transactions, you choose to when you request payment that way. You should expect and be expected to pay for it.
<< <i>I cannot in good mind and body defend any of Paypal or Ebays nonsense. Anyone who screws them out of even one penny deserves positive feedback and 5 stars across the board.
In all seriousness, Paypal was great BEFORE ebay took it over. Ebay gets a larger cut than ever from sales, paypal gets a cut and then screws honest sellers out of money via the scam artists on ebay. Ebay forces you to use Paypal (even though they say they give you options) so that they can get an extra cut on every sale. Imagine if ebay said they were taking 10% of every sale now plus fees, people would go nuts and stop selling, but since they force you to use paypal, they already are.
I would like to make a public apology that I did in fact receive "a" payment through the paypal gift that was for an off Ebay transaction. I will never do this again as I want to pay for the service that they provide. It is a great and noble service that most of us need and use and I am so sorry for the terrible injustice.
<< <i>Lets do a little test for those that are standing on their Pulpits, shouting out their Honesty, Integrety, and Moral standing above the rest of us. >>
Neil you are a friend as is Marc.
He simply was stating his opinion, and how he views the situation.
I did not see where he singled you out.
Just my 2 cents.
Steve
Edited cuz It's not my place to tell someone they should apologize.
The problem with not using Ebay/Paypal is finding the buyers takes more legwork for most of the time minimal gain.
That 1000 dollar card that was used most of the time off ebay you may only find a person wanting to pay 750.00 for that same item is that 106.00 worth 250.00 now? Or do you want to sit on that card for a lot longer to sell it for the 1000?
Fact is most buyers feel safe using Ebay/Paypal and won't conduct business online any other way so by not doing that you limit your market.
There is no right or wrong here learn to minimize your fees with Ebay and the costs are actually closer to 14 to 16%. That is really no more than what it would cost you to create your own site with your own merchant account.
As said though if you play with fire by skirting Paypal/Ebay TOS you will eventually get burned by them.
<< <i>I would like to make a public apology that I did in fact receive "a" payment through the paypal gift that was for an off Ebay transaction. I will never do this again as I want to pay for the service that they provide. It is a great and noble service that most of us need and use and I am so sorry for the terrible injustice. >>
Afternoon, And I stand in Disgrace with jimrad as well, head bowed in embarrasment. For I have sinned as he has, and I am now repentant! All Hail the Great PayPal, All Hail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve,
Actually after my rant last night, my little test today wasn't directed at Marc, but was meant to encompass half a dozen in this thread who took the moral high ground.
So anyway, Marc it wasn't personal, and hope we can continue to agree to disagree!!
Yeehah
Neil
Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
<< <i>but was meant to encompass half a dozen in this thread who took the moral high ground. >>
I'm not preaching about high moral ground. In my opinion, if you use a service, you abide by their TOS, regardless if you agree with it or not. I've bent/broke rules in the past, so I'm not one to judge.
Guess my point is: If constantly break a rule, and encourage others to as well, that benefits the community as a free service, that free service will eventually end.
Life isn't fair but you have a choice. If you don't like eBay/PP's fees, go somewhere else.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
It's simple, e-mail paypal and ask if it's okay to use the gift function for commerce. There's no moral high ground, if it's okay it's okay, they'll let you know.
Be careful guys, some of you might fall off your high horses and get hurt.
And for what it's worth, a buyer can pay via Pay Pal gift and pay the fees that the seller would normally get hit with as long as it's drawn from a credit card. No circumventing there.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Since this thread has now turned into a group confessional, what other sins do people need to get off their chests?
Calling all card doctors and pack weighers. Calling all those who talk about pee pees and wees wees more often than they should. Brother Trent should be coming by any time to grant you absolution.
<< <i>Since this thread has now turned into a group confessional, what other sins do people need to get off their chests?
Calling all card doctors and pack weighers. Calling all those who talk about pee pees and wees wees more often than they should. Brother Trent should be coming by any time to grant you absolution. >>
Afternoon,
OK OK OK.........I confess.............................I'm actually a Lesbian trapped in a Man's body !!!
Please Oh Please....I beg for Absolution and Forgiveness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YeeHah
Neil
Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
This is a very interesting discussion I think. I have a question, how do you decide who it's okay to cheat and who it isn't. Paypal is an easy target, anybody else?
<< <i>Since this thread has now turned into a group confessional, what other sins do people need to get off their chests?
Calling all card doctors and pack weighers. Calling all those who talk about pee pees and wees wees more often than they should. Brother Trent should be coming by any time to grant you absolution. >>
Afternoon,
OK OK OK.........I confess.............................I'm actually a Lesbian trapped in a Man's body !!!
Please Oh Please....I beg for Absolution and Forgiveness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YeeHah
Neil >>
No need to ask for forgiveness there. Maybe just set up a doctor's appointment to get 'er snipped.
<< <i>This is a very interesting discussion I think. I have a question, how do you decide who it's okay to cheat and who it isn't. Paypal is an easy target, anybody else? >>
Depends on your perspective.
I only go the speed limit through school zones and when I'm next to a cop.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Neil -- as long as the attacks don't get personal, I enjoy a good debate, even if we vehemently disagree.
Marc
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Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
To be perfectly honest I don't care one way or the other. I have paid people that way myself when they request it, and while I do not request people to pay me using that feature there have been people who have done it. All I am pointing out is that while it may suck to have to pay fees, they are providing a service which you have the option not to use. The risk/reward factor is how I look at it. Would I risk getting shutdown by Paypal to save $20? No. Would I take the same risk to save $4,500 in fees on a single transaction? Damn straight I would.
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I take option 'A' all day long. But then, I also wouldn't whine if Ebay caught wind of that and shut down my account. >>
Boo,
A Little confused!!
Neil >>
My bad, Neil-- I meant option 'B'. >>
That's what I figured, just wanted to check, and I agree with what you said. And I will take the responsibility for my actions. Does that mean I am never going to complain about the amounts I pay PayBay, No Never! That doesn't mean I am stomping my feet and acting like a child, just means I have an opinion on a subject and sometimes voice it!!!
YeeHah
Neil
It's not an "honesty/ethics/morals" issue.
"Stealing" from the rich/evil/powerful is "stealing"
that is easy to rationalize/justify; not my concern
unless I am being stolen from.
No matter how much I could steal from EBAY/PP,
it would simply not be worth the risk of getting
caught and booted, to me.
Think of it like a poker establishment.
House A always has a lot of players with deep pockets, well stocked bar/buffet, and it typically resolves disputes in a reasonable time. They factor all of their amenities and take a disclosed cut.
House B is rarely full, offers a couple snacks, and let's the guys duke out problems. Their cut is minimal and you pay for what you get.
Everyone has a choice.
That is not what the gift function is for and you know it. It is no justification that you think their service is priced too high and that they are a quasi-monopoly. If you think something is priced too high in a store, does that give you the right to change the price tag or steal it?
Nobody has to use paypal for non-ebay transactions, you choose to when you request payment that way. You should expect and be expected to pay for it.
<< <i>I cannot in good mind and body defend any of Paypal or Ebays nonsense. Anyone who screws them out of even one penny deserves positive feedback and 5 stars across the board.
In all seriousness, Paypal was great BEFORE ebay took it over. Ebay gets a larger cut than ever from sales, paypal gets a cut and then screws honest sellers out of money via the scam artists on ebay. Ebay forces you to use Paypal (even though they say they give you options) so that they can get an extra cut on every sale. Imagine if ebay said they were taking 10% of every sale now plus fees, people would go nuts and stop selling, but since they force you to use paypal, they already are.
It is always cheaper to NOT sell on ebay >>
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<< <i>Lets do a little test for those that are standing on their Pulpits, shouting out their Honesty, Integrety, and Moral standing above the rest of us. >>
Neil you are a friend as is Marc.
He simply was stating his opinion, and how he views the situation.
I did not see where he singled you out.
Just my 2 cents.
Steve
Edited cuz It's not my place to tell someone they should apologize.
That 1000 dollar card that was used most of the time off ebay you may only find a person wanting to pay 750.00 for that same item is that 106.00 worth 250.00 now? Or do you want to sit on that card for a lot longer to sell it for the 1000?
Fact is most buyers feel safe using Ebay/Paypal and won't conduct business online any other way so by not doing that you limit your market.
There is no right or wrong here learn to minimize your fees with Ebay and the costs are actually closer to 14 to 16%. That is really no more than what it would cost you to create your own site with your own merchant account.
As said though if you play with fire by skirting Paypal/Ebay TOS you will eventually get burned by them.
<< <i>I would like to make a public apology that I did in fact receive "a" payment through the paypal gift that was for an off Ebay transaction. I will never do this again as I want to pay for the service that they provide. It is a great and noble service that most of us need and use and I am so sorry for the terrible injustice. >>
Afternoon,
And I stand in Disgrace with jimrad as well, head bowed in embarrasment. For I have sinned as he has, and I am now repentant! All Hail the Great PayPal, All Hail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve,
Actually after my rant last night, my little test today wasn't directed at Marc, but was meant to encompass half a dozen in this thread who took the moral high ground.
So anyway, Marc it wasn't personal, and hope we can continue to agree to disagree!!
Yeehah
Neil
<< <i>but was meant to encompass half a dozen in this thread who took the moral high ground. >>
I'm not preaching about high moral ground. In my opinion, if you use a service, you abide by their TOS, regardless if you agree with it or not. I've bent/broke rules in the past, so I'm not one to judge.
Guess my point is: If constantly break a rule, and encourage others to as well, that benefits the community as a free service, that free service will eventually end.
Life isn't fair but you have a choice. If you don't like eBay/PP's fees, go somewhere else.
There's no moral high ground, if it's okay it's okay, they'll let you know.
And for what it's worth, a buyer can pay via Pay Pal gift and pay the fees that the seller would normally get hit with as long as it's drawn from a credit card. No circumventing there.
Calling all card doctors and pack weighers. Calling all those who talk about pee pees and wees wees more often than they should. Brother Trent should be coming by any time to grant you absolution.
<< <i>Since this thread has now turned into a group confessional, what other sins do people need to get off their chests?
Calling all card doctors and pack weighers. Calling all those who talk about pee pees and wees wees more often than they should. Brother Trent should be coming by any time to grant you absolution. >>
Afternoon,
OK OK OK.........I confess.............................I'm actually a Lesbian trapped in a Man's body !!!
Please Oh Please....I beg for Absolution and Forgiveness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YeeHah
Neil
<< <i>
<< <i>Since this thread has now turned into a group confessional, what other sins do people need to get off their chests?
Calling all card doctors and pack weighers. Calling all those who talk about pee pees and wees wees more often than they should. Brother Trent should be coming by any time to grant you absolution. >>
Afternoon,
OK OK OK.........I confess.............................I'm actually a Lesbian trapped in a Man's body !!!
Please Oh Please....I beg for Absolution and Forgiveness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YeeHah
Neil
No need to ask for forgiveness there. Maybe just set up a doctor's appointment to get 'er snipped.
<< <i>This is a very interesting discussion I think. I have a question, how do you decide who it's okay to cheat and who it isn't. Paypal is an easy target, anybody else? >>
Depends on your perspective.
I only go the speed limit through school zones and when I'm next to a cop.
Marc
I like to use the gift option when using Paypal to send and receive money for everything OFF of ebay.
Now, who's side am I on? I'm confused...
<< <i>I like to use the standard Paypal payments when buying and selling on ebay.
I like to use the gift option when using Paypal to send and receive money for everything OFF of ebay.
Now, who's side am I on? I'm confused... >>
That is what most of us do as well!!
Neil
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Ralph
<< <i>Kind of like shoplifting at WalMart. Is that really a crime? >>
Only if you feel like they rip you off by what they charge.
<< <i>Kind of like shoplifting at WalMart. Is that really a crime? >>
If its more than 50.00 it will get you up to 6 months so I would say it is.
I don't see a problem with it but if you are doing it don't be the one crying when Paypal does away with the option or closes your account.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.