LMAO! Jose Canseco thrown out like a Christmas tree in March!

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 1:17AM

the EXPOS released him....and you guys actually think hes HOF material? please.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 1:20AM

They released him because he wanted to be an everyday player (which he wouldn't be).

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 1:25AM

haha...still.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 1:40AM

Nah, it wasn't because they didn't need him. Jose Canseco falls into the Edgar Martinez category (DH). Canseco doesn't want to be a DH though. So, I still think he is a HOFer.

WFFL · March 28, 2002 2:41AM

What a feat it is to continue playing as you get beyond your prime. The pursuit that Nolan Ryan had, and Roger Clemans has, is amazing. You won't ever see me LMAO at anyone who attempts to better themselves by hard work. One must appreciate the pursuit and journey.

49erfan33 · March 28, 2002 3:12AM

Ski, Canseco IS Hall of Fame material.

By the way, forget about me ever trading with you. I HATE your attitude!!

8kobe · March 28, 2002 3:30AM

Jose is the man. I think he deserves to be in before alot other people who are in. heck so does that guy who last name is a flower. What is his name. Oh ya PETE ROSE!!!!

DaBeef · March 28, 2002 3:48AM

You guys seem to forget this kid Ski wasnt born untill 1992 or so. He probly thinks the 40/40 club is his new favorite boys band.. Go get their cd now Ski..... Jose will be in the Hall of fame...

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 3:58AM

lol....you guys are DUMB. i think he's a hack. everyones entitled to their own opionion....i guess.

dabeef, whats next? you gonna call me a maroon? or moron...i always forget how to spell these dang hard words cause im such trailer trash.

49ers...lol...youre not gonna trade with me cause i think canseco is a hack? youre a hack.

8kobe...i AGREE. Pete Rose most definitly belongs in the HOF,.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 4:00AM

<< 8kobe...i AGREE. Pete Rose most definitly belongs in the HOF,. >>

I bet Pete Rose is thinking "What's the odds on that happening?"

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 4:00AM

lol...true.

DaBeef · March 28, 2002 4:01AM

Ski keep provoking me and I'll break loose info I have on you ripping someone else off. Someone that hasnt even posted here...
How'd you know I lived in a trailor?

Bobstar · March 28, 2002 4:03AM

Jose should hook up with an AL club before long.This guy can still hit
even tho he has lost some of his fielding skills.
As far as the HOF goes,only time will tell but if we had a vote we would vote for him.He is so damn tenacious,has a great work ethic & for those of you old enough to remember,he was better than McGwire when they both played in Oakland.Mark has even said how Jose helped him along at times when they were team mates.
He deserves to hook up with a decent club so he can get to the 500 HR Club.We wish him the best!!

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 4:07AM

ooooooooh....ok beef, ill stop....you seriously live in a trailor? lol

DaBeef · March 28, 2002 4:09AM

Yeah a Doublewide, polyester curtains and a pretty red deck...

cardnyou · March 28, 2002 4:15AM

...damn....i ain't even GOT a deck lmao !!!

but i sure as SHEET got the polyester curtains lol

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 4:17AM

baaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahahahaa

Johnsauc · March 28, 2002 5:30AM

As it stands right now Jose will not be in the Hall of Fame, the fact that he was/is a terrible defensive player & also has played with 7-8 teams will hurt him, His best chance will be for him to somehow get to the 500 Home Run mark, He has 462. Many still will say even then that he'll be the first 500 hr guy not to make the Hall of Fame & yes there are some guys in right now that you could question but Jose is on the outside looking in. He wouldn't get my vote right now if I had one but then neither would have Rizzuto,Mazeroski or Ozzie Smith, Not sure if Nellie Fox is a HOF but if he is he wouldn't have my vote either. I don't believe you should just get in based solely on defense but it should be held against you if your weak in either defense/offense. A Hall of Famer should be a complete ballplayer, the bar has been lowerd in recent years with certain guys getting in, If Ozzie Smith is in then Jeter,Garciaparra,Arod & Tejada can start writing their speeches today rather than wait. Nothing against Ozzie who may be the best defensive player ever but one sided players are just that & not necessarily HOF guys. Rizzuto was a good player & one terrific human being(I've met him many times) but being a Yankee got him in, not his numbers.

Colt · March 28, 2002 5:32AM

Jose is what like 30 some away from 500 ?
Its a sad day when a 40/40 member and a member of the 500 HR club isnt considered HOF material

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 5:51AM

yep, very true

49erfan33 · March 28, 2002 5:52AM

Johnsauc, you make a few good points, especially about the bar being lowered. However, I think your way off base by saying he's definately not a HOFer. Look at what he did for the game in his younger years. He redefined what a power hitter is by getting those steals, when he was healthy.

Who remembers a few years back when Canseco was with the Blue Jays. He was leading the league in HRs with 31 at the All-Star break, then got hurt.

Do you people really think that he won't get in because he wasn't healthy enought??? I think that is what it will come down to. Should he not be in because of injury?? I don't think the voters will question his ability, even his defensive ability. Several players are in the Hall with low offensive #'s (whether they're outstanding on d or not), so why not let Canseco in even though his defensive skills aren't the best??

BMWRacing · March 28, 2002 5:56AM

I believe players should have more than one strong quality in order to get into the hof. Jose just hits homers...just like Ozzie Smith just fielded the ball good at shortstop. A true hof player hits well, fields above average, and has at least one other decent quality to go along with those two. Its like letting a guy in, since he holds the record for most pinch runner appearances, or most pintch hitter at bats.

49erfan33 · March 28, 2002 5:58AM

BMW, So why is Babe Ruth in the Hall, lol??? Even though he was a pitcher early in his career, he JUST hit HRs and then couldn't even run around the bases!!!

Johnsauc · March 28, 2002 5:58AM

Yes the injuries hurt his chances as well plus he's not a media darling, Don't get me wrong he has decent numbers but I don't think he'll get in. Also playing with McGwire kinda hurt him some as well, He was overshadowed & many will say Canseco numbers were inflated because he saw some meatballs with Mark batting after him.

BMWRacing · March 28, 2002 5:59AM

Ruth also had a decent pitching record.

Mpower · March 28, 2002 8:48AM

LMAO!!! Its a pic of Ron Jermey., a guy who never saw an azz he didnt like. LMAO!!!!!!!

BMWRacing · March 28, 2002 8:52AM

MPower...I noticed on your website you had the BMW pics. Do you happen to own one?

Ron has THE greatest job on Earth. He's a millioniare, who has done every hot chick in the adult film industry. Life isn't fair.

donniebaseball23 · March 28, 2002 9:07AM

I like the fact that ozzie made it i really liked ozzie when he was playing and definantely think he was HOF material i am going to cooperstown to see him get in

BMWRacing · March 28, 2002 9:15AM

I'll be going when they induct Ripken and Gwynn. I was there like a week after the 99 induction.

Mpower · March 28, 2002 9:43AM

<< MPower...I noticed on your website you had the BMW pics. Do you happen to own one?

Ron has THE greatest job on Earth. He's a millioniare, who has done every hot chick in the adult film industry. Life isn't fair. >>

I have a 98 M3., hence the name "Mpower". I do alot of the BMWCCA drivers schools (17 in the last 2 years!!!) and auto X on the weekends.

And Ron needs to be in the "porn hall of bang". he he
He is one sick dude with a great job.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 10:51AM

<< I believe players should have more than one strong quality in order to get into the hof. Jose just hits homers...just like Ozzie Smith just fielded the ball good at shortstop. A true hof player hits well, fields above average, and has at least one other decent quality to go along with those two. Its like letting a guy in, since he holds the record for most pinch runner appearances, or most pintch hitter at bats. >>

If that's the case, why should Cal Ripken Jr. get into the HOF (popularity doesn't count as a statistic). He only stole 36 bases in his career. His career batting average is .276. He hit 431 HR, but over 21 seasons (1981-2001). Out of those 21 seasons, he only hit over .300 5 times. So, Jose shouldn't get in because he was injured and Cal should get in because he was healthy? Cal only received 2 gold gloves in those 21 seasons. Cal was a 19-time All-Star, but All-Star = popularity, not stats since it is voted by the fans. And with only 2 gold gloves and hit over .300 just 5 times in his 21 year career.... that's nothing. If Cal gets in, I think Jose should be in there.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 11:08AM

Since Cal is going to HOF, better stock up on Jeff Bagwell. In only 11 seasons: .303 BA, 178 SB, 349 HRs, .993 Fielding %.

dodgerguy99 · March 28, 2002 11:12AM

I am only posting because this is an interesying topic.Canseco has 462 dingers and not playing for the Expos is the best thing that could of happened to Jose.He can't field worth a cr@p, but even today has a more than capable bat.If he played everyday and got his abs in, he is still good for 35-40 taters and 100 rbis.Not too mant players(espicially old ones!)that you can say that about.I really hope he catches on in the AL with someone as a DH.1 good year and he has 500.

Johnsauc · March 28, 2002 11:16AM

Auto,
You can't debate Ripken's entrance to the Hall, You have a better chance defending Bin Laden. Cal was a power hitting SS when there was none, Sure he's not like the basher's we have now. I.E. Arod,Nomar, He was the best hitting SS during his prime, the consecutive games streak obviously is key as well. 431 HR's from the SS position is SOLID. As far as Bagwell your right he is on pace to be a Hall of Famer, 3-5 more solid Bagwell-Type years & he's in as well. I didn't say Jose was terrible but let me put it this way to you he's very debatable as to whether he gets in,definitely not a first ballot guy & probably not at all. One guy that has Jose type numbers & also won't get in is Albert/Joey Belle.

Johnsauc · March 28, 2002 11:20AM

DG99,

I beg to differ, Jose will never hit more than 35 in a season at this stage of this career even as an everyday DH, To get his 500 being 38 away he'll need 1+ full seasons. Also if he does get it many will say he hung on just to pad his stats to get 500 & decrease the meaning. If we all could get into a time machine & go 30 years ahead & landed in Cooperstown I think we'll be hard pressed to find a Bronze plaque of Jose on the wall but you never know if Rizzuto & Mazeroski are in then anything is possible.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 11:28AM

<< Auto,
You can't debate Ripken's entrance to the Hall, You have a better chance defending Bin Laden. Cal was a power hitting SS when there was none, Sure he's not like the basher's we have now. I.E. Arod,Nomar, He was the best hitting SS during his prime, the consecutive games streak obviously is key as well. 431 HR's from the SS position is SOLID. As far as Bagwell your right he is on pace to be a Hall of Famer, 3-5 more solid Bagwell-Type years & he's in as well. I didn't say Jose was terrible but let me put it this way to you he's very debatable as to whether he gets in,definitely not a first ballot guy & probably not at all. One guy that has Jose type numbers & also won't get in is Albert/Joey Belle. >>

All the consecutive game streak means is that he stayed healthy. I was responding to the post where they said Jose shouldn't get in because of his HRs alone (not to include he's in the 40/40 club). But other than popularity, what has Cal done "Statistically"? 2 Gold Gloves in 21 seasons (not great for fielding), .276 Batting average?? 36 stolen bases in 21 seasons? Consecutive game streak just means he stayed healthy and his manager played him ever game. I'm referring to performance on the field. He won rookie of the year with a .264 batting average. His 28 HRs was the key. Ripken is getting into the HOF on his popularity (as they say "Embassador of Baseball"). Cal didn't have much competition in his position back then. That doesn't make him great. Belle's popularity was low. Baseball is turning into a popularity contest instead of letting stats speak for themselves.

Oh, and 431 HRs is solid for a SS, but it took him 21 years to do it.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 11:30AM

<< DG99,

I beg to differ, Jose will never hit more than 35 in a season at this stage of this career even as an everyday DH, To get his 500 being 38 away he'll need 1+ full seasons. Also if he does get it many will say he hung on just to pad his stats to get 500 & decrease the meaning. If we all could get into a time machine & go 30 years ahead & landed in Cooperstown I think we'll be hard pressed to find a Bronze plaque of Jose on the wall but you never know if Rizzuto & Mazeroski are in then anything is possible. >>

Heh, you must hate Rizzuto

BMWRacing · March 28, 2002 11:34AM

He also had 3,000+ hits which most people don't even come near. McGwire didn't even have 2,000 as I recall.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 11:38AM

<< He also had 3,000+ hits which most people don't even come near. McGwire didn't even have 2,000 as I recall. >>

As I say again, it took him 21 years to do it. That's an average of roughly 142 hits per season.

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 11:38AM

woohoo! i finally started a POSITIVE long thread! nice.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 12:39PM

Here is the breakdown:

Ripken: 3,001 games, 11,551 at-bats, 3,184 hits, 431 HRs, .276 batting average
Canseco: 1887 games, 7057 at-bats, 1877 hits, 462 HRs, .266 batting average
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Ripken played 1,114 more games, had 4,494 more at-bats, 1307 more hits, 31 less HRs, higher batting average by .010.

Let's compare achievements:
Ripken:
Record 2,632 consecutive games played - (based on health)
7th to collect 3,000+ hits & 400+ HRs - (21 seasons water that down)
All-Century Team Shortstop - (only based on shortstops)
19-time All-Star (MVP 1991, 2001) - (based on popularity because the fans pick the players. 2001 MVP was rigged since he was retiring. He wasn't even suppose to be in the All-Star game, but the manager picked him).
2-time AL MVP (finally a true legitimate award based on statistics)
1982 AL Rookie of the Year (another legitimate statistic - 28 HRs, but only .264 batting average)
2-time Gold Glove - (legitimate statistic award)

Canseco:
1986-A.L. Rookie Of The Year
1988-A.L. Most Valuable Player(M.V.P.)
1988-A.L. Home Run Champion
1988-A.L. RBI Leader
1991-A.L. Home Run Champion
1 of only 3 people in the 40/40 Club (Hrs/SBs). 09-23-1988 42 HRs, 40 SB. The other 2 are Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez.
All based on statistics.

Like I said.. it comes down to a "popularity" issue.

SkiVermont3 · March 28, 2002 12:41PM

dum dee dum dee deeee.....autos got a lil too much time on his hands

Bobstar · March 28, 2002 12:42PM

Speaking of Cal Ripken;some of you are forgetting that he also only played for 1 team in his entire career!! There is something to be said for the loyalty issue here.Many teams would have killed to have had a player like him at SS!!
In this day & age of free agency it is ever so rare to find someone that has that kind of loyalty.One reason Cal is so popular is many many fans respect his love of the game & his loyalty to the team.So what if it took him 21 years to amass the numbers he put up.He did it as a solid ball player that ANY team would have been proud to have on thier squad!
Speaking of his numbers,he was really the 1st BIG man to play the SS position.His overall ability both offense & defense were simply
"some"of the best for his era.He truly deserves the tag "IRONMAN"!
He & Gwynn deserve to be 1st ballot HOFers'.We are just rooting for Cal to set the all time high% mark on that 1st ballot.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 12:49PM

<< Speaking of Cal Ripken;some of you are forgetting that he also only played for 1 team in his entire career!! There is something to be said for the loyalty issue here.Many teams would have killed to have had a player like him at SS!!
In this day & age of free agency it is ever so rare to find someone that has that kind of loyalty.One reason Cal is so popular is many many fans respect his love of the game & his loyalty to the team.So what if it took him 21 years to amass the numbers he put up.He did it as a solid ball player that ANY team would have been proud to have on thier squad!
Speaking of his numbers,he was really the 1st BIG man to play the SS position.His overall ability both offense & defense were simply
"some"of the best for his era.He truly deserves the tag "IRONMAN"!
He & Gwynn deserve to be 1st ballot HOFers'.We are just rooting for Cal to set the all time high% mark on that 1st ballot. >>

Nah, I think Gwynn & Boggs should be first ballot, not Ripken. Being on just 1 team doesn't make you a HOFer. Ripken is mainly getting in on "popularity". Ripken was an average SS who was blessed to stay healthy and not get injured. Anyone could put up those numbers in 21 seasons.Answer this. In what season did ever he lead the league in anything?

Bobstar · March 28, 2002 1:02PM

It really doen't matter whether he led the league in anything in any year.The fact of the matter is,he was a solid ball player who stayed with his team thru the good times & the bad times.I mean after all,he was ROY in '82 & does have a World Series Ring along with the record for most consecutive games played.But hey,to each thier own.Boggs!! 1st ballot;give me a break!See;like I said we all have our own opinion.
We do believe tho that when it comes time for the vote Cal Ripken
will get the highest% 1st ballot votes of any player ever & if it isn't the highest ever it will be the highest% of any modern day player.
One reason Cal is so "popular"by the way,is that he was a good solid ballplayer that always gave you 100% everytime he was in the lineup.That's alot more than we can say for many of these so called superstars that lay out when they have a tummy ache. Thanks "IRONMAN"for showing them how the game should be played!!

autobilia · March 28, 2002 1:07PM

<< Here is the breakdown:

Ripken: 3,001 games, 11,551 at-bats, 3,184 hits, 431 HRs, .276 batting average
Canseco: 1887 games, 7057 at-bats, 1877 hits, 462 HRs, .266 batting average
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>>

Here is a good comparing over time:

Cal Ripken Jr.: 3,001 games, 11,551 at-bats, 3,184 hits, 1080 walks, 1,647 runs, 431 HRs, 36 SBs, .276 batting average
Rickey Henderson: 2979 games, 10710 at-bats, 3000 hits, 2141 walks, 2248 runs, 290 HRs, 1395 SBs, .280 batting average

Games: Ripken by 22 games
At-Bats: Ripken by 841 at-bats (If Henderson play 2 more seasons, he will be there and the comparison would be better)
Hits: Ripken by 184 (Henderson has 841 at-bats to get 184 hits which would be a batting average of .219)
Walks: Henderson by 1061 walks
Runs: Henderson by 494 runs
HRs: Ripken by 141 (Ripken is safe in this category. I doubt Henderson hit 141 HRs in 841 at-bats)
Stolen Bases: Henderson by 1359
Batting Average: Henderson by .004

YanksFan · March 28, 2002 1:10PM

Boggs not a 1st ballot? Have you been sippin on soma gramp's old cough medicine? lol. One of the most consistent hitters in the last 1/2 century. I think he had 2 seasons where he had lower than a .300 batting avg. Wade Boggs is a better overall ball player than Cal Ripken. Now, I was born and raised in Salisbury, MD, Also I hate the orioles, but thats out of the point. Look at the stats of Wade Boggs compared to Ripken.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 1:19PM

<< It really doen't matter whether he led the league in anything in any year.The fact of the matter is,he was a solid ball player who stayed with his team thru the good times & the bad times.I mean after all,he was ROY in '82 & does have a World Series Ring along with the record for most consecutive games played.But hey,to each thier own.Boggs!! 1st ballot;give me a break!See;like I said we all have our own opinion.
We do believe tho that when it comes time for the vote Cal Ripken
will get the highest% 1st ballot votes of any player ever & if it isn't the highest ever it will be the highest% of any modern day player.
One reason Cal is so "popular"by the way,is that he was a good solid ballplayer that always gave you 100% everytime he was in the lineup.That's alot more than we can say for many of these so called superstars that lay out when they have a tummy ache. Thanks "IRONMAN"for showing them how the game should be played!! >>

Boggs has batting titles. Look at his batting average. Boggs retired with a .328 batting average vs. Ripken's .276. Boggs hit over .300 15 of his 18 seasons. Boggs also has over 3000 hits. 5 AL batting titles (1983,85-88) with Boston Red Sox. two Gold Gloves (just like Ripken). Set a major league record by collecting more than 200 hits in seven consecutive seasons. Ripken can't touch Boggs.

autobilia · March 28, 2002 1:21PM

<< Boggs not a 1st ballot? Have you been sippin on soma gramp's old cough medicine? lol. One of the most consistent hitters in the last 1/2 century. I think he had 2 seasons where he had lower than a .300 batting avg. Wade Boggs is a better overall ball player than Cal Ripken. Now, I was born and raised in Salisbury, MD, Also I hate the orioles, but thats out of the point. Look at the stats of Wade Boggs compared to Ripken. >>

Bobstar is a Ripken fan. You never noticed his buying of Ripken cards?

"Popularity" has been proven.

danandkat · March 28, 2002 1:29PM

I think that the era these players played in is a difference also. Sure 500 homers is alot back in the 50's, but now, after a few good years you half way there. So, I think that in the coming years, we will see players who have 500 homers who will not be in the hall. Canseco being one if he does happen to get to 500 which I highly doubt.

Boggs played in a hitters park. What did he do after Fenway? I have no idea, but I know his stats went down.

I remeber a quote from Willie Mays when Canseco got 40/40. He said, "If stealing bases was a big deal, hell, you would have had plenty 40/40 guys back in my day."

And trying to compare Canseco to Ripken is a disgrace.

Thanks
Dan & Kat

danandkat · March 28, 2002 1:31PM

Forgot one other thing.

Auto....since you pulling up stats so much, why don't you pull up what the average shortstop stats in the 80's were compared to what Ripken did?

Why don't you get what the average player did during Cansecos run from the late 80's to early 90's?

Compare that info to get a much better idea of the players.

thanks
Dan & Kat

LMAO! Jose Canseco thrown out like a Christmas tree in March!

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