German Type Set

OzzyAndy

Does anyone know if there's any sort of folder that takes a German type set (1871-current), similar to the Dansco 7070 for US coins? I'm trying to compile a list for a type set and it's hard to know exactly which coins to include and which not to, especially in the modern era.

Thanks,
Andrew

DeepSix

Andy,

I'm not aware of any albums or coin folders for German coins (other than Euro). Seems like a big gap, considering the number of collectors which focus on German material.

Can anyone else confirm the above, or (hopefully) point out some that I might not have run across?

-Jason

3Mark

<< <i>Andy,

I'm not aware of any albums or coin folders for German coins (other than Euro). Seems like a big gap, considering the number of collectors which focus on German material.

Can anyone else confirm the above, or (hopefully) point out some that I might not have run across?

-Jason >>



Jason,

I've been collecting German since 2002 and have never seen anything for Germany.

3Mark

SYRACUSIAN

I love type set albums, but with the exception of US, Canada, G.Britain and perhaps Mexico they are unfortunately quasi non existent. I've owned for a period of time, a rare Dansco Swiss type set album, courtesy of lordmarcovan, but I don't know of anybody who carries a stock of them (such as older Whitmans for Britain, from Victoria to 1970, 3 different albums). Another rare type set album, is the one from Japan (from Meiji 1 to date?), and the only person that I know who has one is Stork. With the exception of US and Canada, practically all others are long out of print.

However, considering that a Swiss non gold type set album existed,(1850-1970), the same might be true for a German one, although it's a much more complicated type set and I've never actually seen or heard about one. What's easier are albums for one denomination only, especially if such denomination's diameter is equal to a US coin's one. Then, you just buy blank pages (of the US coin) and a blank cover on which you can order to have a printed title suited to your needs.

Or, if you're really serious about it, you decide what should be inside, in no more than 4 pages, then you measure the coins with great accuracy ,design the pages yourself ,allowing a very slight percentage over each coin's diameter, and you order the entire custom made album to Dansco. You can also add letters under each coin if you wish, and their website will enlighten you more, as well as allow you to calculate its entire cost, but it will be a mid-high 3 figure number, I can guarantee you that.

So ,as soon as you learn the final total price, you buy a PCGS box and switch to slabs like the rest of us.

OzzyAndy

Thank you all for your input. From going thorugh the list of German coins, I'm seeing why collecting a type set may not be practical, some Empire 20 and 50pf coins run into hundreds of dollars even in poorer conditions. I will probably end up displaying in 2x2's or something more archival but I guess I was wondering if there was a 'standard' list I'd go with, there are always choices to be made whether or not to include a particular coin.

I've done a bit of a checklist and come up with about 74 coins in total from Empire/Weimar/3. Reich/DDR/BRd not including Euros (1pf - 1 Mark). Based on the coins I already own I only have about 5 gaps, although I'd want condition upgrades for most of them.

Yes, I'll have to switch to PCGS slabs one day but many of the coins I collect are so cheap it is not worth it, and for the more expensive ones, I usually buy them raw anyway and since I'm in Australia it is not easy to just get a few slabbed. In fact, unless a grading office opens in Australia, I don't see the point of ever slabbing unless I want to confirm authenticity or sell them.

Andrew

SYRACUSIAN

74 coins hein? You see, I have no idea of the size of your coins, and how many of them have the same size to form groups, of 3,4,5 or even more coins of the same diameter.


If for example you have groups of 4-5 coins or more of the same diameter (half marks one mark, etc), the price gets considerably lower, because all of a sudden you end up with a page of say 5 pfennigs, 5x 2 pfennigs, 4x 10 pfennigs etc. If you skip the lettering, the discount is too big to ignore. I've researched the subject myself, because I've seriously considered doing it for post WW2 Greek coins, but in a quantity of 100, that would later be sold. You might even have a full page of say half dollar size coins, that already exists as a blank half dollar page, and consequently its price is < $5. The 5 mark coins for instance should fit nicely in a blank Morgan dollar page. The 1-2 pfennig page might contain 20-25 coins, but the 5 mark page will barely contain 6-7.


Just because you have several inexpensive coins,even in choice BU, I can only suggest to you to visit Dansco's website and spend a couple of hours to see what it will look like and how much it will come at. You might even consider breaking it in two, if a big part of your 74 coins is above 26 mm, there are only so many such coins that can fit into a page and only 4, or max 5 pages per album. In the end, if your total price for the one or two albums is say $250-$300, but the contents add up to $3K-$4K if all coins are BU to gem BU with very few AUs for the rarities, I'd do it, because IMHO, there is no better or more convenient way of display than a type set album. As long as the coins' grades are in the XF-BU range, it's not worth slabbing the vast majority, and you'll have a unique presentation album, in which you can constantly upgrade and upgrade, and even create a single one mark page if you feel like, to show several colorful tonings etc.The possibilities with a custom made type set album are endless.

You can keep on improving it and upgrading its contents for years from today, and even adding more pages at a later date. It's definitely worth considering it, and good luck with whatever you end up choosing. Presentation shows a lot of the love ,time and originality that the collector has invested in his project.

SYRACUSIAN

One final word of advise that I've just remembered. When creating a custom made type set album, it is a lot cheaper doing it by creating pages for one or two denominations per page, instead of going chronologically with 12 different sizes on one page. Example, one page for 1 and 2 pfennigs, one for 5 and 10s, one for 20s and half marks etc. In most cases, at least half of the denominations will already exist in size for a US coin, so it's so much cheaper to buy a blank Lincoln cent page and use it for pfennigs, even if there are more slots than the coins you initially intended to display. You just add a few more dates to fill up the empty slots. This solution, will inevitably lead to two albums minimum, but the price drops signficantly, to $50-$60 per album max., including the printing of a title on its cover.

Rickc300

Hey Andrew,

I just did a quick count and come up with 95 types for the Empire, Weimar and 3RD Reich coinage. I may have missed a couple as I was doing a quick count and switching between spreadsheets while counting. I do not include proof only issues, suspected patterns or miniscule mintages such as the 20 pfennig with a star with a mintage of 50 known or medalic issues which may or may not have circulated (though affordable if wanted). If you wanted to include those issues the number would be 104 types. Still a doable type set, but much more expensive with the oddball stuff, the set of 95 coins I consider regular issues will run between 2 to 4K to complete with the biggest purchases being KM#15 fifty pfennig and KM#41 Fifty Reichspfennig and a few of the Weimar commemorative 3 and 5 marks also being multi hundred dollar purchases. I need 1 more type to complete my "core" set of types, and 3 to complete what I consider to be a complete type set.

Rick

OzzyAndy

Sorry, I've been away, I'll respond soonish, thanks for the input guys.
Andrew

coinkat

I believe Dansco made albums for German coins years ago- I mean 30 years ago possibly longer

OzzyAndy

Here's the preliminary list I've put together, I've only gone up to one mark because of the Weimar stuff, would suddenly add many thousands of dollars worth to get the commem 3 and 5 marks. Just the non-commems may be doable though. The numbers are J. numbers because I was working out of a coin trend magazine (easier to lug around than a Krause and easier to flip through than Jaeger). I've combined some because it was pretty much the same coin (like US 7070 albums have only one main coin of each type).

Many of the sizes change through the eras so I'm thinking a Dansco type album may be in the too hard basket for now.

J. Type Years
1 Pfennig
1 Empire Small Eagle 1873-1889
10 Empire Large Eagle 1890–1916
300 Empire Aluminium 1916-1918
306 Weimar Rentenpfennig 1923-1929
313 Weimar Reichspfennig 1924-1936
361 Third Reich Bronze 1936-1940
369 Third Reich Zinc 1940-1945
373 Allied Occupation 1944-1946
1501 DDR 1948-1950
1505 DDR 1952-1953
1508 DDR 1960-1990
376 BRD 1948-1949
380 BRD 1950-2001

2 Pfennig
2 Empire Small Eagle 1873-1877
11 Empire Large Eagle 1904-1916
307 Weimar Rentenpfennig 1923-1924
314 Weimar Reichspfennig 1923-1936
362 Third Reich Bronze 1936-1940
381 BRD 1950-2001

4 Pfennig
315 Weimar Reichspfennig 1932

5 Pfennig
3 Empire Small Eagle 1874-1889
12 Empire Large Eagle 1890-1915
297 Empire Iron 1915-1922
308 Weimar Rentenpfennig 1923-1924
316 Weimar Reichspfennig 1924-1936
363 Third Reich Aluminium Bronze 1936-1939
370 Third Reich Zinc 1940-1944
374 Allied Occupation 1947-1948
1502 DDR 1948-1950
1506 DDR 1952-1953
1509 DDR 1968-1990
377 BRD 1949
382 BRD 1950-2001

10 Pfennig
4 Empire Small Eagle 1873-1889
13 Empire Large Eagle 1890-1916
298 Empire Iron 1915-1922
299 Empire Zinc 1917-1922
309 Weimar Rentenpfennig 1923-1925
317 Weimar Reichspfennig 1924-1936
364 Third Reich Aluminium Bronze 1936-1939
371 Third Reich Zinc 1940-1945
375 Allied Occupation 1945-1948
1503 DDR 1948-1950
1507 DDR 1952-1953
1510 DDR 1963-1990
378 BRD 1949
383 BRD 1950-2001


20 Pfennig
5 Empire Silver 1873-1877
6 Empire CuNi Small Eagle 1887-1888
14 Empire CuNi Large Eagle 1890-1892
1511 DDR Brass 1969-1990

25 Pfennig
18 Empire Nickel 1909-1912


50 Pfennig
7 Empire Small Eagle 1875-1877
8 Empire Wreath 1877-1903
301 Weimar Aluminium 1919-1922
310 Weimar Rentenpfennig 1923-1924
318 (Weimar Reichspfennig RR) 1924-1925
324 Weimar Nickel 1927-1938
368 Third Reich Aluminium 1935
365 Third Reich Nickel 1938-1939
372 Third Reich Aluminium + SS 1939-1944
1504 DDR Aluminium Bronze 1949-1950
1512 DDR Aluminium 1968-1990
379 BRD 1949-1950
384 BRD 1950-2001

½ Mark
19 Empire Wreath 1905-1919


1 Mark
9 Empire Small Eagle 1873-1887
17 Empire Large Eagle 1891-1916
311 Weimar Eagle 1924-1925
319 Weimar Wreath 1925-1927
354 Third Reich 1933-1939
1513 DDR 1956-1963
1514 DDR 1972-1990
385 BRD 1950-2001