Where Should I Sell My Vintage Cards?
spencerdorsey
Posts: 76
Hi all, I'm new to the message boards and was wondering if the experts out there had any tips on selling high-grade 1933 and 1934 Goudey and 1935 Diamond Stars cards. I just bought a great lot of 16 cards from those three sets and sent them to get graded a couple of days ago. (Side question: Do you think it will take PSA longer to grade my cards do to the National Convention?) Anyway, here's a list of what I have, the grade I think they'll get from PSA, the SMR value at that grade, and the SMR value at the grade right below my guess.
Year Brand Number Player My guess Value Conservative Value
1934 Goudey 27 Luke Appling 5 $150 $85
1934 Diamond Stars 43 Ted Lyons 7 $215 $140
1934 Goudey 11 Paul Waner 6 $215 $150
1934 Diamond Stars 26 Pepper Martin 8 $375 $155
1934 Goudey 10 Charles (Chuck) Klein 8 OC $225 $170
1934 Diamond Stars 2 Al Simmons 7 $365 $200
1934 Diamond Stars 32 Edgar Rice 8 $525 $215
1934 Diamond Stars 27 Pie Traynor 8 $600 $250
1934 Diamond Stars 30 Heinie Manush 8 $600 $250
1934 Diamond Stars 9 Mickey Cochrane 8 $1,500 $400
1934 Diamond Stars 35 Earle Averill 9 $1,800 $525
1933 Goudey 234 Carl Hubbell 8 OC $850 $525
1934 Goudey 23 Charley Gehringer 8 $1,400 $575
1933 Goudey 127 Mel Ott 8 $2,200 $850
1934 Goudey 6 Dizzy Dean 8 $4,250 $1,400
1934 Diamond Stars 44 Rogers Hornsby 9 $5,000 $1,500
The reason I ask is that I've noticed a lot of Diamond Stars and 1934 Goudeys selling only at 1/2 or 2/3 of SMR's values on eBay. Should I consign to one of the big auctions? Should I sell them card by card or just have a big lot of all 16? All 16 of these have snow-white borders and most have perfect or almost-perfect corners. I didn't take pictures before I sent them to PSA, but you can see them from the auction where I bought them: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220635047756&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_514wt_1137
Thanks,
spencerdorsey
Year Brand Number Player My guess Value Conservative Value
1934 Goudey 27 Luke Appling 5 $150 $85
1934 Diamond Stars 43 Ted Lyons 7 $215 $140
1934 Goudey 11 Paul Waner 6 $215 $150
1934 Diamond Stars 26 Pepper Martin 8 $375 $155
1934 Goudey 10 Charles (Chuck) Klein 8 OC $225 $170
1934 Diamond Stars 2 Al Simmons 7 $365 $200
1934 Diamond Stars 32 Edgar Rice 8 $525 $215
1934 Diamond Stars 27 Pie Traynor 8 $600 $250
1934 Diamond Stars 30 Heinie Manush 8 $600 $250
1934 Diamond Stars 9 Mickey Cochrane 8 $1,500 $400
1934 Diamond Stars 35 Earle Averill 9 $1,800 $525
1933 Goudey 234 Carl Hubbell 8 OC $850 $525
1934 Goudey 23 Charley Gehringer 8 $1,400 $575
1933 Goudey 127 Mel Ott 8 $2,200 $850
1934 Goudey 6 Dizzy Dean 8 $4,250 $1,400
1934 Diamond Stars 44 Rogers Hornsby 9 $5,000 $1,500
The reason I ask is that I've noticed a lot of Diamond Stars and 1934 Goudeys selling only at 1/2 or 2/3 of SMR's values on eBay. Should I consign to one of the big auctions? Should I sell them card by card or just have a big lot of all 16? All 16 of these have snow-white borders and most have perfect or almost-perfect corners. I didn't take pictures before I sent them to PSA, but you can see them from the auction where I bought them: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220635047756&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_514wt_1137
Thanks,
spencerdorsey
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Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
"Seller assumes no responsibility for this listing. No Returns. No refunds. Buyer pays shipping and handling."
I hope you paid with paypal, because I think you're going to want to get your money back.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
"Growing up I always wanted to see the cards, however my dad never let me touch them. They were always kept in his safe and were never ever taken out (trust me!). "
"I can almost guarantee that these cards saw their first ray of light today in over fifty years as I took them out to photograph them."
Paper will turn yellow after 70+ years. These are snow white.
<< <i>Well, here's a question: When did the first reprints of these cards show up? I believe the seller because they arrived in old, yellowed wax envelopes that really looked 50 years old. I did pay with PayPal, so I'm safe. They look real to me. >>
80s maybe?
Old envelopes doesn't necessarly mean "old cards."
"Seller assumes no responsibility for this listing" has a very bad ring to it.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
Look at the pictures and notice the paper and the paper in the ebay auction. Dead give away is the glossy paper.
Every old card (50+ years) I have looks like those from the PSA set.
If you sent them to PSA you will know very soon.
I would guess they are from the early 1980's when collecting started to get popular. Sets of the real 1933 & 1934 Goudey cost too much, and their was a demand for Reprint sets.
I'd be filing a claim with ebay soon.
Dave
they were reprinted in 1985.
Links are great for reference
Goudey reprints
Fritsch- Reprint king I have several of his sets as it's the only way I could afford to own them.
I wish you the best possible outcome.
You guys are AMAZING!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/dzolot
Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoyed!!
- I would encourage all collectors to post a video of their collection - I have found it to be a very rewarding way to share my sports cards!!
how many minutes ago were you born? Man, if this is real, I feel for you. You better make that Paypal claim IMMEDIATELY and call PSA to stop the order!
Especially since Ebay says that they do.
Steve
1. 51 feedback seller selling very rare and valuable cards in near flawless condition = scam
2. Past sales are not card related
3. My comments in brackets from auction description:
THIS IS A NO RESERVE AUCTION. I AM LEFT WITH NO CHOICE BUT TO SELL THESE CARDS.
(sob story to build empathy, sets a believable story for why he owns such treasures)
Up for sale is an amazing opportunity to own an incredibly rare collection of vintage baseball cards. My father recently passed away
(father, grandfather, uncle, ex-husband...the story and scam is always the same!)
and I was left with some very rare personal belongings. Among his most treasured was this baseball card collection that includes 16 near brand new condition cards. Growing up I always wanted to see the cards, however my dad never let me touch them. They were always kept in his safe and were never ever taken out (trust me!)...
(in the sales business trust me! means F-U you're getting screwed!)
I don't know much about these cards except for the fact that they are in just about perfect condition and appear to be from around the early 1930's. They words "Big League Chewing Gum, Goudey Gum Co." are printed on the back. The white around the borders is extremely bright and there isn't one tear or scratch anywhere I could find. I can almost guarantee that these cards saw their first ray of light today in over fifty years as I took them out to photograph them.
(pleading ignorance = you are getting scammed!)
I really hate to sell my father's belongings. Especially this collection. Believe me, I wouldn't sell these cards unless I had to. Unfortunately, I recently was laid off and need money. I feel like a monster having to sell my father's personal belongings as he recently passed away. I just hope that these cards go to a home that fully appreciates them. I cannot stress how amazing the quality is of these cards.
(more sob story to build empathy and to give some believability as to why he has the cards and they're being sold)
Best to always run away from these auctions. Six other bidders are lucky to have lost.
Tony
<< <i>Look at the '34 Goudey Appling, though. It's really off-centered. Do any of those reprints from the '80s have such bad off-centering? Now I am tempted to call PSA to stop the order... >>
you should definitely call and stop them. i'm assuming PSA would just grade them as reprints (and not reject them...unless they were trimmed or somehow counterfeit, which they probably aren't) and you'd be out the grading fees for the cards.
Better act quick so Paypal can stop his wild spending. Even though you're covered, might as well give him a nice jolt
Here is an original 1934 Goudey Dizzy Dean (not my card btw) notice the bottom of the card where the "Lou Gehrig says" is completely separated from the bottom white border, now look at the one you purchased.
Obviously cropped meaning a reprint.
What you should do:
1. Call PSA ASAP! Tell them to cancel the order they are about to receive (or have already received) and offer to pay for the return shipping on the cards.
---> side note: can he cancel the packages delivery if it was sent with DC?
2. File a SNAD claim through paypal. Don't contact the seller IMO
3. Keep us updated!!!
I really hope you do well!!
Also, I checked your recent purchases. Look into vintagecardprices.com 10x better then SMR
Jason
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
1. Since the "buyer" alleges to have already sent the cards to PSA for grading, this suggests at least a working knowledge of sportscards and grading
2. Bidding over $700 suggests that the buyer was aware of the value of the cards if legitimate
3. Spending over $700 suggests some disposable income
4. If the buyer is legit, then common sense is the only lacking aspect of this transaction as knowledge, understanding and greed were already present.
The other option is that this is a troll looking to elicit responses.
Regardless, it amazes me how many people throw their money away on something that appears to be too good. When the uninformed put aside their greed and let rational thought and analysis take over, such mistakes can be avoided. I really don't think anyone should offer sympathy for people that make such thoughtless and foolish decisions. They just make it easier for the scammers to be more successful and tempt other "honest" folks to attempt such scams as a result of the monies that the greedy are willing throw away.
Spencer, the seller claims he needs money, why would he (or anyone for that matter)
give up thousands of dollars for 711.00? File the SNAD with Paypal. Don't even alert the seller and leave ebay out of it too.
Paypal will do the work, I would think that they have a hold on this, or have you already left Positive feedback?
Sigh..............................Never mind I see that you already left positive feedback and possibly allowed PP to unfreeze the funds.
This is gonna get messy. Hopefully Storm will chime in.
Steve
(trust me!)
and
Believe me
and
Seller assumes no responsibility for this listing. No Returns. No refunds. Buyer pays shipping and handling.
The red flags start waving violently...
<< <i>Let's look a little closer before we start feeling sorry for the "buyer:"
1. Since the "buyer" alleges to have already sent the cards to PSA for grading, this suggests at least a working knowledge of sportscards and grading
2. Bidding over $700 suggests that the buyer was aware of the value of the cards if legitimate
3. Spending over $700 suggests some disposable income
4. If the buyer is legit, then common sense is the only lacking aspect of this transaction as knowledge, understanding and greed were already present.
The other option is that this is a troll looking to elicit responses.
Regardless, it amazes me how many people throw their money away on something that appears to be too good. When the uninformed put aside their greed and let rational thought and analysis take over, such mistakes can be avoided. I really don't think anyone should offer sympathy for people that make such thoughtless and foolish decisions. They just make it easier for the scammers to be more successful and tempt other "honest" folks to attempt such scams as a result of the monies that the greedy are willing throw away. >>
Let's not be too hard on the buyer. He's the victim here. People complain that there aren't enough new collectors entering the hobby. Then when someone comes in and gets burned on a transaction, not only are they stung by getting ripped off, but they get the double humiliation of getting pummeled by responses like yours above. Is it really any wonder why we aren't getting more people entering the hobby?
There are some guys on this thread trying to help you I'd take them up on it soon!
<< <i>
<< <i>Let's look a little closer before we start feeling sorry for the "buyer:"
1. Since the "buyer" alleges to have already sent the cards to PSA for grading, this suggests at least a working knowledge of sportscards and grading
2. Bidding over $700 suggests that the buyer was aware of the value of the cards if legitimate
3. Spending over $700 suggests some disposable income
4. If the buyer is legit, then common sense is the only lacking aspect of this transaction as knowledge, understanding and greed were already present.
The other option is that this is a troll looking to elicit responses.
Regardless, it amazes me how many people throw their money away on something that appears to be too good. When the uninformed put aside their greed and let rational thought and analysis take over, such mistakes can be avoided. I really don't think anyone should offer sympathy for people that make such thoughtless and foolish decisions. They just make it easier for the scammers to be more successful and tempt other "honest" folks to attempt such scams as a result of the monies that the greedy are willing throw away. >>
Let's not be too hard on the buyer. He's the victim here. People complain that there aren't enough new collectors entering the hobby. Then when someone comes in and gets burned on a transaction, not only are they stung by getting ripped off, but they get the double humiliation of getting pummeled by responses like yours above. Is it really any wonder why we aren't getting more people entering the hobby? >>
New to the hobby? That's not an excuse for ignorance and greed. Throwing money at things that you do not know about is STUPID -- plain and simple. I doubt this individual is "new to the hobby." And I seriously doubt that the fact that I speak a cold, hard truth will discourage them.
I'm so sick of people expecting others to tip-toe around such things, offering up condolences and hoping things work out.
The fact is that GREED took precedence to prudence, research and sound judgment.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for every schmuck that comes on here to share their story of getting burned because they were too oblivious to seek out advice or do some research on a deal that looked to good to be true?
If you need to blame me for people not entering the hobby, be my guest. I be the cross bearer for the hobby's shortcomings. However, I'd rather have a diminished volume of informed collectors than a doubling of the hobby population filled with dolts that will toss hundreds of dollars on things they don't know about. These cretins won't be in the hobby very long and will probably end up posting the crap they bought on Craigslist and rip off someone else.
If you feel I've humiliated him, I'll gladly send both of you some tissues to wipe away your collective tears.
Sorry to say...bad idea.
Bob
Looking for Bob Uecker cards
My Ebay Auctions
(not saying this is the case here, although it could be)
It's not just in the collectible arena either.
When someone thinks that they can get 50k and all they have to do is send 500.00
for processing they too are labeled as greedy.
Many cons prey on peoples greed.
Steve
That goes without saying.....................
Steve
<< <i>People who get scammed, at times appear to be as greedy as the scammers.
(not saying this is the case here, although it could be)
It's not just in the collectible arena either.
When someone thinks that they can get 50k and all they have to do is send 500.00
for processing they too are labeled as greedy.
Many cons prey on peoples greed.
Steve >>
But THAT is the con. Being greedy isn't against the law, breaking the law is breaking the law.
<< <i>But THAT is the con. Being greedy isn't against the law, breaking the law is breaking the law. >>
I'm not saying that the con's are not breaking the law, but I am going to have less sympathy for someone who does not do the research "first". What ever happened to common sense? If a deal looks to good to be true, that should be the first red flag. Others have pointed out many other red flags.
Bob
Looking for Bob Uecker cards
My Ebay Auctions
<< <i>Many cons prey on peoples greed. >>
My dad felt that was the "core" of a good con, Steve. Thus, a good con requires a bit of larceny on the part of the person being screwed.
However, I'm gonna give a bit of slack to the OP - perhaps this was just a naive play on the part of the buyer - thought he was getting the deal of century.
And this begs the issue to everyone who has the opportunity to buy cards - if a person offered you legitimate cards at 10 cents on a dollar - out of ignorance - let's say it's a woman who's husband died - e.g. - do you take the cards? Or do you educate her and offer fairtrade?
To the OP - with respect to ebay - if it looks TOO good to be true? Well, I guess ya know the answer now.
on why some people skewered the buyer. That was your original question/statement, was it not?
Steve
<< <i>And this begs the issue to everyone who has the opportunity to buy cards - if a person offered you legitimate cards at 10 cents on a dollar - out of ignorance - let's say it's a woman who's husband died - e.g. - do you take the cards? Or do you educate her and offer fairtrade? >>
Mike, great question and I wonder if that fits into the deal of the century or not?
Steve
<< <i>
<< <i>And this begs the issue to everyone who has the opportunity to buy cards - if a person offered you legitimate cards at 10 cents on a dollar - out of ignorance - let's say it's a woman who's husband died - e.g. - do you take the cards? Or do you educate her and offer fairtrade? >>
Mike, great question and I wonder if that fits into the deal of the century or not?
Steve >>
Steve - it could - but my point is just that one should be careful with one's judgement - ya never know what ya gonna do when confronted with a "moral" issue? I could see some dealers saying: "my job is NOT to educate anyone - it's a business - if someone makes an offer - we take it without prejudice or passion - knowing full well - that it's not personal, just business" - do I need to bring out the shovel?
In my opinion, it is bad form to ask someone that is selling a collection how much they want for their cards. Anytime I have been in a position to buy a collection I have looked it over and then told the person what I would be willing to pay for the cards. Then deals, no thank yous, or negotiations follow.