John A Wexler lists "The Best Of the 2009 1c Doubled Die Varieties"

Papi

Wexler unveils his list


"The Best Of the 2009 1c Doubled Die Varieties"


The Formative Years; he lists 32 of the 100 currently known DDRs. Reduction by two thirds. Certainly doable, and good choices.


The Best Of the 2009 1c Doubled Die Varieties


Thanks for the corrections. No I did not see the "S" coins, and the math in my head did not match the text.

Constantine

Papi, you are misssing a key word in Wexler's list, "1c".

19Lyds

<< <i>I'm surprised the Proof Coins were not included.


The Best Of the 2009 1c Doubled Die Varieties >>

I'm surprised you didn't notice 2009-"S"

ricko

I would say that is a two-thirds reduction 100>32. Cheers, RickO

Papi

Thanks for the corrections

Constantine

Tough start to your thread Papi! But yes, that would help a collector out there trying to put together a set of the more stronger varieties for the series. But it really has never been a huge issue to me that there are indeed 100 varieties. Wexler, Crawford, Copper Coins, CONECA, and others spent countless hours attributing and studying examples that were SUBMITTED to them by collectors, or through their own roll searching. If nobody cared and submitted these coins, or if the professionals did not wish to spend countless hours, there would be fewer varieties listed. This is what these professionals do, they catalogue. The majority of the 100+ varieties are not very exciting as they are a blip, a dot, or a dash in the central area of the coin, BUT these guys get started with their CDDR-xxx, and WDDR-xxx numbering system and they finish it out to completion.

What is interesting here is that as each DDR is from a unique die, there were clearly issues with this design, possible quality of the dies, and workmanship at the Mint that contributed to these varieties.

And there are a small handful that are significant and these are what collectors like myself and others find interesting and so that is great that Wexler has voiced his opinion on the more stronger varieties. I am not making a comparison of these to the doubled date of the 1972 cents, but there certainly were more varieties attributed than just the one that is the primary and most dramatic. Yes, there are more 2009 DDRs attributed than 1972, but once again, not making the direct comparison, but one that quite often in a popular discovered variety, there are many other doubled die versions too.

pitboss

I think that there could have been a lot more cut out than was. At least half again as many, if not more, are just dots and dashes.

Constantine

I agree that it could be cut more based on the appearance of the variety, but collectors can do that. As Wexler is an attributor/cataloguer, I am sure he has a different point of view when compiling these lists.

JRocco

Looking at this minor Modern Cr@p DDO's and DDR stuff makes a variety guy like myself start looking at older
and older US coinage for varieties.

smokincoin

<< <i>Looking at this minor Modern Cr@p DDO's and DDR stuff makes a variety guy like myself start looking at older
and older US coinage for varieties. >>


Wasn't it PeeWee who said: "and then?"?

JRocco

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<< <i>Looking at this minor Modern Cr@p DDO's and DDR stuff makes a variety guy like myself start looking at older
and older US coinage for varieties. >>


Wasn't it PeeWee who said: "and then?"? >>



Don't know
PeeWee was never on my "want to see or listen to" list.

shasta7

Need some help!!

Can anyone tell me what rolls the 2009-D doubled die coins were found?
Where they found in Mint Rolls only or also Bank rolls? If Mint rolls does anyone
know which or what dates?

I have over 35 Mint rolls... & many more Bank rolls... all which were NOT searched yet...
I do have ALL the major var... just never looked for the Denver ones... Thanks in adv...

shasta7

smokincoin

<< <i>Need some help!!

Can anyone tell me what rolls the 2009-D doubled die coins were found?
Where they found in Mint Rolls only or also Bank rolls? If Mint rolls does anyone
know which or what dates?

I have over 35 Mint rolls... & many more Bank rolls... all which were NOT searched yet...
I do have ALL the major var... just never looked for the Denver ones... Thanks in adv...

shasta7 >>


Look here.

shasta7

<< <i>

<< <i>Need some help!!

Can anyone tell me what rolls the 2009-D doubled die coins were found?
Where they found in Mint Rolls only or also Bank rolls? If Mint rolls does anyone
know which or what dates?

I have over 35 Mint rolls... & many more Bank rolls... all which were NOT searched yet...
I do have ALL the major var... just never looked for the Denver ones... Thanks in adv...

shasta7 >>


Look here. >>



Thanks smokincoin!! :-)

frnklnlvr

My one and only 2009 1c discovery is on the list.

2009-D 1¢ SF FY WDDR-012 Satin Finish

Papi

<< <i>My one and only 2009 1c discovery is on the list.

2009-D 1¢ SF FY WDDR-012 Satin Finish

>>




And a nice one at that.

I have 3 Log Cabins on the list.

Constantine

I was first to submit the Skeleton Finger to Crawford, so I enjoyed my little moment of discovery too. I kept looking at the coin over and over and on the websites to see if I could find it and was pretty excited about it. Turns out, it is one of the top DDRs and in very limited quantities, with a DDO, and a progressive die crack!

pitboss

<< <i>Wexler unveils his list


"The Best Of the 2009 1c Doubled Die Varieties"


The Formative Years; he lists 32 of the 100 currently known DDRs. Reduction by two thirds. Certainly doable, and good choices.


The Best Of the 2009 1c Doubled Die Varieties


Thanks for the corrections. No I did not see the "S" coins, and the math in my head did not match the text. >>




I think the proof versions are a very nice coin. I have 2 of then graded as ANACS WDDR 001 MS69 but one is a little different in the fact that the doubling runs all the way back into the hand. Does anyone else have one like that?

7over8

32????

Pick 5!!!!!!!

Already the market is terrible for these because of so many minor varieties

DMWJR

I'm not so sure I like his latest style of photography, where he shortens the depth of focus to the center area only. I get it if he is trying to draw your attention to the part he is trying to show you, but it is a little distracting. I also like to see as much of the surrounding area as possible in case there are visible die markers or positional attributes.

Just my .01 though.

Papi

<< <i>32????

Pick 5!!!!!!!

Already the market is terrible for these because of so many minor varieties >>




Really !!! This ridiculous chatter about the value being affected by the total number attributed. NONSENSE.

I have absolutely no intention of putting every one of these into my collection.

The most dramatic are the ones the savy collector will put aside. The rest will be for the specialists.

5 or 32, the best are the best.

Onedollarnohollar

Papi, you said it. The savvy collector will only predominantly hoard the keys, the top three 001, 002, 006.... and I like the 13b reverse die crack too!

pitboss

That is what I have been saying from the very beginning and is the reason I never even bothered looking for the junk coins.

Please keep in mind that we here on the forum have most of these coins between us as we discovered them . There are millions of Lincoln collectors out there that do not even know they exist.

Constantine

I also believe that a few of these varieties are in far limited quantities than people realize. The Skeleton Finger variety is a prime example of this and in my opinion, much more limited than currently realized. In U.S Mint roll sets, it was found only in 4/23 dated LP2 boxes. BUT within that day, only found in a certain time period too. A handful have also been found in bank rolls with the progressive die crack on the reverse. But one collector I spoke with said he searched 20,000 coins and found just 20 of the WDDR-006/CDDR-009. I feel that escaped the packaged U.S. Mint roll sets and introduced into regular bank rolls is a small amount. So 300,000 set boxes of LP2 were produced. I have tallied that they were made over at least 30 separate days (by tracking date stamps) so it would be interesting to know how many boxes the Mint produced in a day? Doing rough math, 300,000 spread out over 30+ days is 10,000 boxes a day (making the assumption that equal quantities of boxes were produced over that time period.) So if Skeleton Finger was found on 4/23 only and also a small range time period during the day's production, I feel pretty confident in saying that numbers available are low. Plus we know the die failed early as evident by the die cracks on the obverse and reverse. There are other examples of this too, not just Skeleton Finger but I do believe this specific DDR is the most dramatic, has a doubled die on the obverse, and interesting die cracks. So it is a winner in my book.

pitboss

The WDDR 001, 002, and 006 are without question the 3 most easily seen without a microscope.

The WDDR 006 will be the one with the lowest amount of coins but my favorite one is the WDDR 001, which has a mintage of half the amount of the WDDR 002.

Constantine

I agree Pitboss with the half amount estimate on WDDR-001 (Sixth Finger) to WDDR-002 (Double Thumb). The Double Thumb made it into a few date boxes and is certainly a bit more plentiful. Plus both Wexler and Crawford have these two DDRs listed as either #1 or #2 in their files so from shear optics they probably benefit from being listed as "DDR-001" vs "DDR-0023" etc etc. Plus they are some of the strongest varieties anyway so it all falls into place.

Onedollarnohollar

the giant die crack (13b) is very visible without a loupe...one of my favorites along with the 1,2, and 6