Seriously????

indiana9495

I've been selling a bit of my inventory to fund other card purchases and to just clean out the closet. A few weeks ago I listed 20+ cards all starting at 99 cents, just hoping to move 'em. I had no problems collecting payment (I rarely do... lucky me) except for 1 card. eBay bidder jay82dogs was the high bidder for this 99 cent winning bid:

Auction Link

I send an invoice two times and hear nothing. I then opened a non-paying bidder case and finally got payment yesterday for $2.99, almost 2 weeks after the auction ended. I sent him an email that I'll get the card out tomorrow(today). Here's the email dialogue:

Message from jay82dogs via PayPal: hello there its jason please send the card first class usps with insurance??. also please put actual bubblewrap round the case so it doesnt come damaged thanks alot Jason.

Me: I'll get the card out in the mail tomorrow to you. For insurance, please send $1 more. But, for a 99 cent card, not sure if it is worth it. I'll wrap it really well. Let me know about the insurance.

jay82dogs: Hello there its Jason I am really tight on money right now is there any way that you can please just pay for it??. thanks alot Jason.

I use bubble mailers that cost me 88 cents each, postage is 82 cents, and I have to drive to the post office. I charge fair and reasonable shipping fees. I want to cover my expenses and not make money on that part of the auction. The auction clearly states that insurance is additional.

So, here's my problem. I take my 100% feedback seriously and I don't want someone like jay82dogs to ruin it because I didn't throw in insurance on his 99 cent card. What should I do? Pay for the insurance? Get delivery confirmation only to prove he gets it, but no insurance? Just send it as stated in the auction and as he paid for it? The issue isn't the money per se, but its the principle.

WinPitcher

I would not even have replied to him.


Steve

nam812

Per eBay TOS, I dont think that you can state that insurance is additional. I believe it has to already be built into the S&H.

Edited to add: And I completely agree with Steve.

Reljac

For 99 cents, I would 'self-insure'

Barfvader

Selling Practices Policy

What you're not allowed to charge
Insurance: You can't charge a separate fee for insurance, although you still need to make sure your item arrives as described.

nam812

<< <i>.....I use bubble mailers that cost me 88 cents each......... >>



There is absolutely no excuse for paying that much these days.

Bigjohn69

you cant take your fb seriously anymore because of idiots out there like this one who can destroy it just because he can,, bend over and pay for it, or take that really great advice and self insure it, or send the .99 card and refund the .99 ,, just frustrating isnt it,, good luck with the out come,, bj

indiana9495

Thanks for the advice. I like the "self insure" option.

nam812 - Where do you get your bubble mailers? I'm always looking to save some money. I get the size "0" envelopes (6"x 9" size) from OfficeMax. They come 25 to a box for $22. Works out to 88 cents each.

itzagoner

i'd send him a 3-dollar bill and invite him to keep the pwnny.

lsutigers1973

eSupplyStore - #00 5x10 - 100 count for about $20 with shipping. That's 20 cents each.

HERE

cubfan89

What a scam artist and liar. Ya, he doesn't have $1 and NEEDS insurance on a frickin card worth a dollar. I'm sure he'll be dropping $100-$300 this weekend at bars/clubs. Trust me.

nam812

<< <i>eSupplyStore - #00 5x10 - 100 count for about $20 with shipping. That's 20 cents each........... >>



The "prices" are better at eSupply, but the free shipping at RoyalMailers is what makes them less expensive (for me at least).

250ct #0 mailers at eSupply = $29.00 + $13.82 shipping (your zip code may change this price) = $42.82 which is 17.128 cents each

250ct #0 mailers at RoyalMailers = $34.99 - 10% disc. $3.50 + free shipping = $31.49 which is 12.596 cents each

Edited to correct RoyalMailers pricing.

indiana9495

LSU - Thanks for the link!! Those are cheaper. Placing an order now.

Edited to add: Checking out RoyalMailers now too.

lsutigers1973

RoyalMailer has been discussed here before.

The mailers are thinner than the ones from eSupply and the glue is not as strong. I personally have used both and never had a problem with either.

frankhardy

I would not take 100% feedback quite so seriously. There are idiots out there. People know the difference if you have a GOOD feedback rating versus a BAD feedback rating.

In other words 99.9 or 99.8 or 99.7 is not a BAD feedback rating.

storm888

"...the free shipping at RoyalMailers is what makes them less expensive (for me at least)...."

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Yup.

They sometimes have "specials" for CU members; inquire before ordering.

Shipping is super fast.



RoyalMailers

larryallen73

I almost always self insure. It's just easier. I also stopped selling 99 cent cards as singles. I just take a loss and sell them as larger lots. Easier that way as all the individual packagings are a pain in the butt. I try to make everything at least ten dollars or more per auction.

indiana9495

Thanks to all for the Royal Mailers info. I found a coupon code for them on Google that gave me an additional 10% off. Good enough for me. I'm just excited to be saving so much as compared to OfficeMax.

I've decided to send the card with Delivery Confirmation. So, I'll eat a little on that. I guess since I'm already losing on the card (I paid for the grading on a monthly special a few years ago), what's another 49 cents. At least I'll be able to prove he got it. Adding jay82dogs to my blocked bidders will at least prevent me from dealing with him again.

nam812

<< <i>......They sometimes have "specials" for CU members; inquire before ordering.......... >>



I called RoyalMailers directly once, and they permanently installed the 10% discount into my account. Now when I log in and shop their site, the 10% off shows up at checkout for me every time.

eagles33

if the guy is that tight on money that he cant' pay an extra dollare then he shouldn't be buying baseball cards. Its not like he asking for free shipping on canned goods. I hate people who cry poverty when buying things that are not needed like baseball cards. The fact the guy wants to insure a .99 cent card is another issue all together.

nam812

<< <i>......... I'm just excited to be saving so much as compared to OfficeMax............. >>



So you used to get 25 #0 mailers for $22, and now you can get 250 of them for only $31.49. What a world.

Edited to correct the RoyalMailer price to $31.49.

bobbyw8469

VALUEMAILERS is a good source for bubble mailers as well. They offer free shipping as well, and are cheaper than Royal Mailers.

WinPitcher

At this point I send it in a PWE with the full shipping and auctions cost refunded inside.

After I slammed the case with a hammer.


That's how I roll.


Steve

nam812

<< <i>VALUEMAILERS is a good source for bubble mailers as well. They offer free shipping as well, and are cheaper than Royal Mailers. >>



Did you even check before posting that? On earth $34.95 is not cheaper than $32.99

250ct #0 mailers at eSupply = $29.00 + $13.82 shipping (your zip code may change this price) = $42.82 which is 17.128 cents each

250ct #0 mailers at RoyalMailers = $34.99 - 10% disc. $3.50 + free shipping = $31.49 which is 12.596 cents each

250ct #0 mailers at ValueMailers = $34.95 + no discount + free shipping = $34.95 which is 13.98 cents each


RoyalMailers is still the cheapest.

Edited to correct RoyalMailers pricing.

jeffcbay

I prefer the #000 4"x7.5" mailers, and I used to get them for $0.44/each, so I'm loving RoyalMailers.com now, thanks Nam!

gumbyfan

<< <i>On earth... >>

bobbyw8469

<< <i>250ct #0 mailers at RoyalMailers = $32.99 - 10% disc. $3.30 + free shipping = $29.69 which is 11.876 cents each >>



I don't know what website YOU went on Mr.Know-It-All, but RoyalMailers are $34.99 for 250 of them..........I just went to the website and saw it....do YOU think before posting???? I think you got confused and were comparing the #00 on Royal Mailers. Those are actually $32.99.....

nightcrawler

This thread sounds alot like what got the ball rolling here. Negged for nothing/ edit for retaliation


There's been alot of discussion about bubble mailers lately.

nam812

<< <i>I prefer the #000 4"x7.5" mailers, and I used to get them for $0.44/each, so I'm loving RoyalMailers.com now, thanks Nam! >>



You're welcome. When I order, I always get #000 and #0.

It's all so cheap that when I ship I put the graded card in the #000 (i use it as my "bubble wrap") and then I put that "package" into the #0 mailer.

Total weight of a graded card + 2 bubble mailers? Only 2.3 ounces, and I never have to buy bubble wrap (or try to cut it).

nam812

<< <i>........I think you got confused and were comparing the #00 on Royal Mailers. Those are actually $32.99..... >>



Yes the #0 are $34.99, not $32.99 like originally stated. Your site is a whopping 4 cents cheaper for the whole 250, not per mailer. The bad news for you is that they do not offer a 10% discount, thus making RoyalMailers still cheaper.

Please stay with ValueMailers and pay more so we can look forward to your next pity party thread where you cry about how much it costs you to ship. Those never get old.

bobbyw8469

So technically, VALUEMAILERS is just as cheap as ROYALMAILERS. I am not talking about any perceived 10% extra discount that apparently some people get. I was just trying to give people other options. I have never used RoyalMailers so don't know how cheaply made their mailers are, but Valuemailers are pretty good mailers. Like I said, I was just trying to give other people OPTIONS, and this guy (Nam) jumps down my throat..........I don't appreciate it.

storm888

<< <i>So technically, VALUEMAILERS is just as cheap as ROYALMAILERS. I am not talking about any perceived 10% extra discount that apparently some people get. I was just trying to give people other options. I have never used RoyalMailers so don't know how cheaply made their mailers are, but Valuemailers are pretty good mailers. Like I said, I was just trying to give other people OPTIONS, and this guy (Nam) jumps down my throat..........I don't appreciate it. >>



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I have not used VALUEMAILERS, but the 10% off for CU folks
makes ROYALMAILERS real cheap.

And, the service is super FAST.

The quality of the products at RM is HIGH.

nam812

Everyone gets the discount, and I couldn't give a rat's hind end what you appreciate or not.

nam812

<< <i>......I have not used VALUEMAILERS, but the 10% off for CU folks
makes ROYALMAILERS real cheap.

And, the service is super FAST.

The quality of the products at RM is HIGH. >>



Stop talking sense to him storm, it's not his first language.

NickM

Duct tape protects the case from scratching. About 8 layers of it should really protect the case and card.

Nick

digicat

Hmm, this guy emailed me this last weekend asking for permission to bid on one of my items. I asked him "Go ahead. Were you unable to place a bid?" He never responded, but I'm guessing he got auto-blocked for some reason. I've set up my ebay account to block bidders with NPB strikes, so that might have been what hit him.

You might want to do the same.

KbKards

Message from jay82dogs via PayPal: hello there its jason please send the card first class usps with insurance??. also please put actual bubblewrap round the case so it doesnt come damaged thanks alot Jason.

Me: I'll get the card out in the mail tomorrow to you. For insurance, please send $1 more. But, for a 99 cent card, not sure if it is worth it. I'll wrap it really well. Let me know about the insurance.

jay82dogs: Hello there its Jason I am really tight on money right now is there any way that you can please just pay for it??. thanks alot Jason.



jay82dogs: Hello there its Jason I got card and the case has a microscratch. probably caused by bubblewrap being used upside down. called PSA and cost to reholder will be $21.95 plus my cost to ship the card to them express registered insured. never had to leave negative before please advise

WinPitcher

<< <i>I don't know what website YOU went on Mr.Know-It-All, but RoyalMailers are $34.99 for 250 of them..........I just went to the website and saw it....do YOU think before posting???? I think you got confused and were comparing the #00 on Royal Mailers. Those are actually $32.99..... >>




Now now Bobby, you were a little out of line yourself.

Also can I get that link or auction number?


Steve

hammered

I use these bubble mailers
They're a little pricier
But boy you should see the feedback I get

Boopotts

<< <i>I almost always self insure. It's just easier. I also stopped selling 99 cent cards as singles. I just take a loss and sell them as larger lots. Easier that way as all the individual packagings are a pain in the butt. I try to make everything at least ten dollars or more per auction. >>



And with that, Larry Allen has just identified a key way to discern between people who work more than 30 hrs. a week and enjoy their family's company, and those that do not.

BunchOBull

RoyalMailers.com is my venue of choice as well.

As for selling .99 cards, I rarely sell anything under $50 on eBay. Just not worth the trouble. The only time I'll sell a low dollar item is if I'm doing it for more of a publicity listing to see if I can draw out certain collectors.

TNP777

<< <i>

<< <i>......I have not used VALUEMAILERS, but the 10% off for CU folks
makes ROYALMAILERS real cheap.

And, the service is super FAST.

The quality of the products at RM is HIGH. >>



Stop talking sense to him storm, it's not his first language. >>

I think you owe the man an apology, Nick - SGC style

twiley

<< <i>I use these bubble mailers
They're a little pricier
But boy you should see the feedback I get
>>

indiana9495

Just back from the post office. First class shipping $1.56 and DC $80 (I thought it was 49 cents!!). So, I'm in for $2.36 to this guy. Needless to say, this guy is now blocked!

TNP777

<< <i>Just back from the post office. First class shipping $1.56 and DC $80 (I thought it was 49 cents!!). So, I'm in for $2.36 to this guy. Needless to say, this guy is now blocked! >>

sad thing is, you probably haven't heard the last from this guy. Save all your correspondence from him.

digicat

<< <i>Just back from the post office. First class shipping $1.56 and DC $80 (I thought it was 49 cents!!). So, I'm in for $2.36 to this guy. Needless to say, this guy is now blocked! >>



Use Ebay/Paypal's "print postage" feature and you'll only have to pay 19 cents for d/c.

ShootyBabitt

Somebody who is short on cash shouldn't spend $200 on cards in a month:


270416371333 Jun-26-09 Jul-22-10 09:32:32 US $1.99 1996 ERIC ZEIER DONRUSS PRESS PROOF GEORGIA BULLDOGS Purchased on:
Jul-22-10 09:32:32
See All Buyers mossland
280531065337 Jul-06-10 Jul-13-10 18:07:27 US $20.00 1991 Classic II Jeff Bagwell #T84 BGS 9.5 1 of 1 jay82dogs (*) natedogg0269
110554636061 Jul-02-10 Jul-09-10 17:46:55 US $0.99 1979 Topps Lou Whitaker #123 PSA 9 OC jay82dogs (*) indiana94
160451592465 Jul-02-10 Jul-09-10 13:35:58 US $2.24 1981 Topps #709 Alan Trammell PSA 9 Tigers jay82dogs (*) phelda47r3
330447120166 Jun-28-10 Jul-05-10 19:08:01 US $3.09 1980 TOPPS #626 DETROIT TIGERS CHECKLIST BVG BGS 9 MINT jay82dogs (*) playoffs_collectibles
190410629828 Jun-27-10 Jul-04-10 14:13:08 US $4.25 1990 Star New Britain Red Sox Jeff Bagwell PSA 8 NM-MT jay82dogs (*) package3066
190410628778 Jun-27-10 Jul-04-10 14:10:30 US $4.79 1990 ProCards Eastern League A-S Jeff Bagwell PSA 8 jay82dogs (*) package3066
190410626471 Jun-27-10 Jul-04-10 14:07:21 US $4.54 1990 ProCards Glossy New Britain Red Sox Jeff Bagwell jay82dogs (*) package3066
120589713855 Jun-28-10 Jul-03-10 22:11:15 US $8.00 1986 leaf Vince Coleman RC PSA 10 RARE 1/1 no bgs 9.5 jay82dogs (*) all80s
370403760896 Jul-02-10 Jul-03-10 07:04:44 US $14.00 5 Card Lot 1990 Procards Jeff Bagwell New Britain PSA jay82dogs (*) ustreasures
220627426032 Jun-24-10 Jul-01-10 17:38:58 US $9.99 1988 CMC (TCMA) Tucson Toros #15 Craig Biggio PSA 8 jay82dogs (*) the_bracken_collection
220627408248 Jun-24-10 Jul-01-10 17:32:00 US $41.00 1989 Score Young Superstars #33 Craig Biggio PSA 10 jay82dogs (*) the_bracken_collection
370400555788 Jun-23-10 Jun-30-10 18:36:34 US $4.99 PSA 9 1996 Skybox Z-Force Steve Nash RC Suns POP 3 jay82dogs (*) rogue177
370400555756 Jun-23-10 Jun-30-10 18:36:22 US $4.99 PSA 9 1996 Fleer Metal Steve Nash RC Phoenix Suns POP 5 jay82dogs (*) rogue177
370400554292 Jun-23-10 Jun-30-10 18:30:37 US $16.01 PSA 10 1996 Upper Deck Steve Nash RC Phoenix Suns POP 6 jay82dogs (*) rogue177
230491492143 Jun-23-10 Jun-28-10 19:20:56 US $20.21 Glen Coffee 09 Rookie Stars Auto Patch SP 10/10 BGS 9 jay82dogs (*) frankthetank3
150458442574 Jun-20-10 Jun-27-10 18:47:08 US $22.49 (2) 1989 WOOLWORTH RANDY JOHNSON PSA RC ROOKIE jay82dogs (*) cote-cards
380203656465 Feb-03-10 Jun-26-10 10:59:23 US $8.95 1990 Procards #1324 JEFF BAGWELL New Britain Set PSA 9 Purchased on:
Jun-26-10 10:59:23
See All Buyers buscher
120585531504 Jun-18-10 Jun-23-10 21:32:37 US $10.50 1986 leaf Vince Coleman RC PSA 10 RARE pop 1 no bgs 9.5 jay82dogs (*) all80s

indiana9495

<< <i>Somebody who is short on cash shouldn't spend $200 on cards in a month:


270416371333 Jun-26-09 Jul-22-10 09:32:32 US $1.99 1996 ERIC ZEIER DONRUSS PRESS PROOF GEORGIA BULLDOGS Purchased on:
Jul-22-10 09:32:32
See All Buyers mossland
280531065337 Jul-06-10 Jul-13-10 18:07:27 US $20.00 1991 Classic II Jeff Bagwell #T84 BGS 9.5 1 of 1 jay82dogs (*) natedogg0269
110554636061 Jul-02-10 Jul-09-10 17:46:55 US $0.99 1979 Topps Lou Whitaker #123 PSA 9 OC jay82dogs (*) indiana94
160451592465 Jul-02-10 Jul-09-10 13:35:58 US $2.24 1981 Topps #709 Alan Trammell PSA 9 Tigers jay82dogs (*) phelda47r3
330447120166 Jun-28-10 Jul-05-10 19:08:01 US $3.09 1980 TOPPS #626 DETROIT TIGERS CHECKLIST BVG BGS 9 MINT jay82dogs (*) playoffs_collectibles
190410629828 Jun-27-10 Jul-04-10 14:13:08 US $4.25 1990 Star New Britain Red Sox Jeff Bagwell PSA 8 NM-MT jay82dogs (*) package3066
190410628778 Jun-27-10 Jul-04-10 14:10:30 US $4.79 1990 ProCards Eastern League A-S Jeff Bagwell PSA 8 jay82dogs (*) package3066
190410626471 Jun-27-10 Jul-04-10 14:07:21 US $4.54 1990 ProCards Glossy New Britain Red Sox Jeff Bagwell jay82dogs (*) package3066
120589713855 Jun-28-10 Jul-03-10 22:11:15 US $8.00 1986 leaf Vince Coleman RC PSA 10 RARE 1/1 no bgs 9.5 jay82dogs (*) all80s
370403760896 Jul-02-10 Jul-03-10 07:04:44 US $14.00 5 Card Lot 1990 Procards Jeff Bagwell New Britain PSA jay82dogs (*) ustreasures
220627426032 Jun-24-10 Jul-01-10 17:38:58 US $9.99 1988 CMC (TCMA) Tucson Toros #15 Craig Biggio PSA 8 jay82dogs (*) the_bracken_collection
220627408248 Jun-24-10 Jul-01-10 17:32:00 US $41.00 1989 Score Young Superstars #33 Craig Biggio PSA 10 jay82dogs (*) the_bracken_collection
370400555788 Jun-23-10 Jun-30-10 18:36:34 US $4.99 PSA 9 1996 Skybox Z-Force Steve Nash RC Suns POP 3 jay82dogs (*) rogue177
370400555756 Jun-23-10 Jun-30-10 18:36:22 US $4.99 PSA 9 1996 Fleer Metal Steve Nash RC Phoenix Suns POP 5 jay82dogs (*) rogue177
370400554292 Jun-23-10 Jun-30-10 18:30:37 US $16.01 PSA 10 1996 Upper Deck Steve Nash RC Phoenix Suns POP 6 jay82dogs (*) rogue177
230491492143 Jun-23-10 Jun-28-10 19:20:56 US $20.21 Glen Coffee 09 Rookie Stars Auto Patch SP 10/10 BGS 9 jay82dogs (*) frankthetank3
150458442574 Jun-20-10 Jun-27-10 18:47:08 US $22.49 (2) 1989 WOOLWORTH RANDY JOHNSON PSA RC ROOKIE jay82dogs (*) cote-cards
380203656465 Feb-03-10 Jun-26-10 10:59:23 US $8.95 1990 Procards #1324 JEFF BAGWELL New Britain Set PSA 9 Purchased on:
Jun-26-10 10:59:23
See All Buyers buscher
120585531504 Jun-18-10 Jun-23-10 21:32:37 US $10.50 1986 leaf Vince Coleman RC PSA 10 RARE pop 1 no bgs 9.5 jay82dogs (*) all80s >>



Interesting.... I'll be interested if gets any negs from these sellers.

STAY AWAY from this guy!

Stone193

I remember when I first got serious about cards again - around 1989 - a dealer told me not to get so serious about a buck card - he wasn't tryin to be a jerk - I think he was just trying to politely tell me off - and when I think back? He was correct.

Anyone who would make those kinds of demands for 99 cents - is totally, totally, totally nuts! Some people have a really interesting sense of entitlement.

I don't sell - so I don't have a feel for what to do - I know what I'd LIKE to do with that card!

bobbyw8469

<< <i>Everyone gets the discount, and I couldn't give a rat's hind end what you appreciate or not. >>



You bring the board down and offer nothing.......grow up.

jeffcbay

<< <i>You bring the board down and offer nothing... >>



On the contrary, he just saved me 75% in packaging materials.