I once fell into that trap - and its a learning experience but I wouldn't pay for a FH coin - regardless of what the holder said - if the coin looked anything that that one.
Don't get me wrong - I really like that coin - but its not a FH coin !!!
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<< <i>I once fell into that trap - and its a learning experience but I wouldn't pay for a FH coin - regardless of what the holder said - if the coin looked anything that that one.
Don't get me wrong - I really like that coin - but its not a FH coin !!! >>
Thanks MFH as at first I thought my eyes where playing tricks on me... then I zoomed in.
Wow there's a LOT of detail missing to even make the bare minimum requirements of a FH.
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<< <i>Extremely pleasing key date in FH designation
I think Harry skirting the issue..... >>
Exactly. A bit of numismatic tap-dancing. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not convinced either way that it is or isn't a Full Head based on those pictures. The more I look at it, the more it looks like that light area over the head is a spot on the slab, not the coin, and a Full Head might be visible below that spot on the slab if it is a spot.
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<< <i>Extremely pleasing key date in FH designation
I think Harry skirting the issue..... >>
Exactly. A bit of numismatic tap-dancing. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not convinced either way that it is or isn't a Full Head based on those pictures. The more I look at it, the more it looks like that light area over the head is a spot on the slab, not the coin, and a Full Head might be visible below that spot on the slab if it is a spot. >>
This coin has crossed Heritage 3 times in the last 6 years, easily identified as the same coin by the toning pattern. Heritage too tip toed around actually addressing the head on this example on all descriptions. Here below is the best of the 3 head details from prior auctions... Notice a pin hole for a ear hole, yet the full hairline along the brow and face along with three well defined leaves are missing.
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I am not sure either if this is a Full Head. Is there supposed to be an indentation where the ear is?
Regardless, it appears that two rivets on the shield at the lower left are weak and the image in the center of the shield, the mini shield, looks weak, which might give some purists some consternation that this is not a "full strike".
<< <i>I am not sure either if this is a Full Head. Is there supposed to be an indentation where the ear is?
Regardless, it appears that two rivets on the shield at the lower left are weak and the image in the center of the shield, the mini shield, looks weak, which might give some purists some consternation that this is not a "full strike". >>
The two rivets are weak but there.
When your chasing full heads sometimes you need to make sacrifices as it's rare to find an example that possess it all.
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<< <i>Interesting coin. Ask yourself, why is the toning missing around the earhole but covering most of the head?
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Hmm, jargons!
Having viewed the additional photos of the coin in question, I will now agree it does leave a bit to be desired for being an FH, but that best Heritage photo is better than the Laibstain photo. I wasn't ready to condemn this coin based on only the HLRC pics.
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and apparently much more then the CAC guy
<< <i>you know Full Heads as well as anyone I know .
and apparently much more then the CAC guy
Thanks... I'm getting ready to start a Stickering program just for CAC stickered TPG FH designated SLQ's!
I once fell into that trap - and its a learning experience
but I wouldn't pay for a FH coin - regardless of what the
holder said - if the coin looked anything that that one.
Don't get me wrong - I really like that coin - but its not
a FH coin !!!
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It was deemed FH by NGC, CAC and Harry L.
And any schmo who buys it will learn the real meaning of FH when he tries to sell it later on.
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<< <i>I once fell into that trap - and its a learning experience
but I wouldn't pay for a FH coin - regardless of what the
holder said - if the coin looked anything that that one.
Don't get me wrong - I really like that coin - but its not
a FH coin !!! >>
Thanks MFH as at first I thought my eyes where playing tricks on me... then I zoomed in.
Wow there's a LOT of detail missing to even make the bare minimum requirements of a FH.
<< <i>That coin is a poster child for why collectors still need to learn to grade what they collect.
It was deemed FH by NGC, CAC and Harry L.
And any schmo who buys it will learn the real meaning of FH when he tries to sell it later on. >>
It's like a $5,200.00 loss as PCGS values for a non FH MS63 = $750.00.
I'm now completely convinced that CAC is NOT stickering these TPG FH designated SLQ's for the Head... JUST the Grade.
Here's another 1920-S FH thread which was for educational purposes.
-Paul
<< <i>Does CAC look at the designation as well? I thought I heard they only look at the numerical grade on the holder.
-Paul >>
I feel it's just the grade as I've seen roughly 8 CAC FH SLQ's that had no full heads.
Yet if your paying them for a Forth Party Opinion and they sticker it wouldn't you expect them to agree with FH, FB, FBL, FT, etc. designations
CAC is stickering the designation as well as the grade - make no mistake about this .
Cac , once this becomes a obvious blunder , will ask for the coin back so they can pull the sticker off to save face .
Then they call it "taking the coin off the market" ......yea ............right
I think Harry skirting the issue.....
<< <i>Extremely pleasing key date in FH designation
I think Harry skirting the issue..... >>
Exactly. A bit of numismatic tap-dancing. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not convinced either way that it is or isn't a Full Head based on those pictures. The more I look at it, the more it looks like that light area over the head is a spot on the slab, not the coin, and a Full Head might be visible below that spot on the slab if it is a spot.
<< <i>
<< <i>Extremely pleasing key date in FH designation
I think Harry skirting the issue..... >>
Exactly. A bit of numismatic tap-dancing. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not convinced either way that it is or isn't a Full Head based on those pictures. The more I look at it, the more it looks like that light area over the head is a spot on the slab, not the coin, and a Full Head might be visible below that spot on the slab if it is a spot. >>
This coin has crossed Heritage 3 times in the last 6 years, easily identified as the same coin by the toning pattern.
Heritage too tip toed around actually addressing the head on this example on all descriptions.
Here below is the best of the 3 head details from prior auctions...
Notice a pin hole for a ear hole, yet the full hairline along the brow and face along with three well defined leaves are missing.
TRUTH
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
I suspect
this is why PCGS started the lawsuit - coin looked much better when graded (and CACd) I suspect
and then after years the putty and tooling melted back to mush, causing a rebuy issue
I am not sure either if this is a Full Head. Is there supposed to be an indentation where the ear is?
Regardless, it appears that two rivets on the shield at the lower left are weak and the image in the center of the shield, the mini shield, looks weak, which might give some purists some consternation that this is not a "full strike".
<< <i>I am not sure either if this is a Full Head. Is there supposed to be an indentation where the ear is?
Regardless, it appears that two rivets on the shield at the lower left are weak and the image in the center of the shield, the mini shield, looks weak, which might give some purists some consternation that this is not a "full strike". >>
The two rivets are weak but there.
When your chasing full heads sometimes you need to make sacrifices as it's rare to find an example that possess it all.
<< <i>Interesting coin. Ask yourself, why is the toning missing around the earhole but covering most of the head?
TRUTH >>
Hmm, jargons!
Having viewed the additional photos of the coin in question, I will now agree it does leave a bit to be desired for being an FH, but that best Heritage photo is better than the Laibstain photo. I wasn't ready to condemn this coin based on only the HLRC pics.