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SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
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In late February I purchased (via the Web) an 1858 FE 1 c in NGC MS64 from Rick Snow. I paid a significant premium for the coin because I thought it was the nicest 64 I'd ever seen. It did have a small barely noticeable spot of verdigris above the M in America, and when I pointed it out to Rick at the SF Mint show in late April he was kind enough to be willing to spot dip the area. He asked me which TPG service I wanted it reholdered in, and I had him send it in to PCGS. He just got it back today and it is now in a PCGS MS65 holder. Thank you Rick for being an outstanding dealer! ...and thank you NGC for your "easier" grading standards!

Here's the coin, and here's the thread it was originally in...

1858 FE

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  • UnknownUnknown
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    He's just crowing over the fact that NGC graded it MS64 and once the spot was removed PCGS graded it MS65.

    Apples to oranges.
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spot dipped in what?
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  • MorganChickenMorganChicken Posts: 221
    Regardless of the upgrade, that is one nice coin! Was it RD or RB?
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  • BBNBBN Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭
    Nice grab my man!image

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  • YogiBerraFanYogiBerraFan Posts: 2,390 ✭✭
    Beautiful coin!
  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭


    << <i>He's just crowing over the fact that NGC graded it MS64 and once the spot was removed PCGS graded it MS65.

    Apples to oranges. >>



    The spot was literally microscopic so I do not believe that had anything to do with the difference in grade. Grading standards are different between the services and we all know that coins can come back with different grades from both services depending on the day you send in the coin so I think PCGS got this one right based on my personal standards and NGC was a bit conservative. Now how much of the coin was dipped and what was used may have played into the grade but again I don't think the spot removal was a key factor here.

    Big congrats Sy image
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I am NOT specifically talking about the spot removal. The spot was barely noticeable. I am MUCH MORE commenting on the fact that the coin upgraded. FWIW the coin was dipped in acetone to remove the verdigris.


    EDITED TO ADD: The image is the before image. I will get the coin re-imaged sometime in the not too distant future.

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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    Nice one SkyMan!
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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,417 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin, Sy. Great luck on the upgrade. Thanks for sharing.
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin. (From personal experience, acetone won't remove verdigris, but it will take off PVC. I suspect that is what the green spot was).
  • joshieboijoshieboi Posts: 128
    That coin is shaggeriffic baby! Yah!

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,209 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes, I am NOT specifically talking about the spot removal. The spot was barely noticeable. I am MUCH MORE commenting on the fact that the coin upgraded. FWIW the coin was dipped in acetone to remove the verdigris.


    EDITED TO ADD: The image is the before image. I will get the coin re-imaged sometime in the not too distant future. >>



    I don't think acetone will touch verdigris which is basic [chemical-wise that is] cupric carbonate. Are you sure it wasn't PVC?
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Yes, I am NOT specifically talking about the spot removal. The spot was barely noticeable. I am MUCH MORE commenting on the fact that the coin upgraded. FWIW the coin was dipped in acetone to remove the verdigris.


    EDITED TO ADD: The image is the before image. I will get the coin re-imaged sometime in the not too distant future. >>



    I don't think acetone will touch verdigris which is basic [chemical-wise that is] cupric carbonate. Are you sure it wasn't PVC? >>



    Huh, learn something new every day. I assumed it was acetone as I did not know it would not work on verdigris. Rick had talked about using a toothpick, so now my best guess is that it was some sort of dip. Sorry for any confusion.
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  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920 ✭
    If I owned that FEC, I'd be "crowing" too! image
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a beautiful FE cent... congratulations... Cheers, RickO
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice coin image
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Super nice Skyman! You cant go wrong buying from Rickimage
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I assumed it was acetone as I did not know it would not work on verdigris. Rick had talked about using a toothpick, so now my best guess is that it was some sort of dip. >>



    Toothpick image

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well done Sy! Winner, winner chicken dinner..............MJ
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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Yes, I am NOT specifically talking about the spot removal. The spot was barely noticeable. I am MUCH MORE commenting on the fact that the coin upgraded. FWIW the coin was dipped in acetone to remove the verdigris.


    EDITED TO ADD: The image is the before image. I will get the coin re-imaged sometime in the not too distant future. >>




    So now I am REALLY confused, one would assume the photo was the after shot although in the link it had to be the before shot. So where is the spot that you are talking about? >>


    I can understand the confusion, but if PCGS was the second grader, there would not have been any white NGC holder hazes around the edges.
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    Flying eagle cents are very messy to collect.
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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fabulous coin! Seen it in hand and it's a real beauty. The die crack from the tail feathers to the last A in AMERICA is the prooflike die marker, and this coin is definitely prooflike! Way to go!

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  • Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Regardless of the upgrade, that is one nice coin! Was it RD or RB? >>



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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>He's just crowing over the fact that NGC graded it MS64 and once the spot was removed PCGS graded it MS65.

    Apples to oranges. >>



    The spot was literally microscopic so I do not believe that had anything to do with the difference in grade. Grading standards are different between the services and we all know that coins can come back with different grades from both services depending on the day you send in the coin so I think PCGS got this one right based on my personal standards and NGC was a bit conservative. Now how much of the coin was dipped and what was used may have played into the grade but again I don't think the spot removal was a key factor here.

    Big congrats Sy image >>



    I would thank NGC for their "easier" grading standards as well but usually my crossover grades or crackout regrades run in the "other" direction.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The FEC was purchased in late Feburary as shown on the march 1 2010 thread with the photo in th eNGC holder and it was purchased in an NGC ms64 holder. The same photo was reposted in the new thread. OP sent coin to Rick Snow for spot removal and Rick sent it into PCGS where it came back in a PCGS MS65 holder. I want to offer congrads to OP for that great outcome. I ccan't really see any spot where OP states a spot was on the before or NGC MS64 photo and OP has not provied us with an after shot of FEC in the PCGS MS65 holder sans the spot. So I am totally conbfused as to what the OP is talking about in this thread. Sorry for being confused. >>

    Alan, look above the top right side of the "M" in "AMERICA" on the obverse. You should be able to see what the OP described as "a small barely noticeable spot of verdigris".
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry but I see nothing dramatic in the huge blow up shot, imagine what the graders at PCGS saw...............even less than nothing. If that is a damning spot of verdisgristhen my colelction is in huge troubleimage >>

    He described it as "barely noticeable", not "damning". Please pay attention next time.image

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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What I do see that is poosibly more damning is spots above the "AMERI" and around the Eagle's wingtip. Now if the coin was dipped and all of that removed then maybe I can understand what was accomplished. I sure would love to see this mysterious after shot int he new pcgs holder. Kind of reminds me of the mystery of the shots that came from behind the knoll in Nov of 1963. >>



    There is NO aftershot yet. Eventually I will send it off to the person who mainly images my coins and will then be happy to post an aftershot.
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  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    Sy is just stringing us along.......bad Sy....bad Sy.... image
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sy is just stringing us along... >>



    What? I don't understand this one.

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