<< I just offered him $1.01 (plus $3.99) s/h through my buying account (so he can't retaliate) on his autographed Metallica album that he's asking $299.99 for. Will be interesting to see if I get a response. This could be a fun dialog if he opens the door... >>
I'm confused. Is a BINiot someone who asks outlandish prices and has the item sit for years? or is a BINiot the rare person dumb enough to make the purchase?
<< <i>Here's a response from his Signed Metallica album.
I had someone contact me earlier about this being on a message board. Could you please link me to the board this was on?
There is 3rd party authenticity with all the autographed records. As stated I am no music buff but I purchased these from an estate auction this weekend, there was much music and sports memorabilia there and some notable people. I also had the items examined by 4 music stores all with good reputations. All said the same thing, the items looked authentic with most the autographs dating the mid seventies- early 80's when the pen touched the vinyl. I say this because someone contacted me earlier on an item saying it was posted on a message board and then I get 2 complete joke offers (you and another "card" person). Im on SCF with over 200 perfect feedback and on here and had perfect feedback till this past weekend when 2 people who bought $5 items though that they would get free items just because thus resulting in 2 negatives here which im curtrently in the process of being removed. I would appreciate the link to the forum post so I could state the truth myself instead of having people who think they know alot comment on it.
Thanks
- mikescards15 >>
Well using this info I searched SCF and found him... SCF Name sorianofan22. He is 21 years old and has 164 feedback and though I went to school in Boston 164 < "over 200"
<< <i>Why do you need tracking proof sending back a $3 card?? are you kidding me? Wasting half the price of the card in tracking that 90% chance won't be needed is asinine. >>
The seller misrepresented the item. It doesn't matter if its intentional or not...The SELLER screwed up. I wouldn't send the card back to him in a PWE, I'd send it with delivery notification and ask him to cover those shipping costs too. Why should the buyer send the card back in a PWE and just hope that the seller is honest enough to admit he received it, thus putting the buyer at risk. Anyone who suggests that as the best course of action is missing the point that the SELLER is the one who screwed up here, not the buyer. I think the buyer provided a NEG too early, but I don't think he was wrong in refusing to mail with a PWE. >>
Right. If the buyer did not want to return in a PWE he didn't have to. However, he could have just returned it with tracking. However, I do agree it would be a complete waste of tracking. That is unless you have a 25% history of items being mailing getting lost.
Bottom line, seller did make a simple mistake and did made an offer to fix it, if the buyer didn't like the fix it reply, he could have tried to negociate or something. Strange to choose just to neg and then complain about the whole ordeal here. Mistakes happen, this was nothing major. Buyer overreacted. Seller himself could likely use a little medication.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the seller makes a typo, the buyer recognizes that the title might not fit ("as I have not seen /150 auto and just bought a /250 auto"), but bids and pays without asking any questions, and then doesn't want to return this $3 card in a PWE or pay for tracking.
Bottom line - I think the seller should have ignored the neg. As a buyer, if I read the negative comment, I wouldn't have cared. Not one bit. His response makes him look a million times worse than the actual feedback.
The guy's an idiot but why is everyone trying to ruin his day?
Can I have everyone's ebay id so I can put you guys on my BBL. I don't want to piss anyone off and end up with 14 negs 3.2 DSR accross the board and 267,321,456 BS offers on my BIN/BOs
i was curious so i looked it up, mail fraud: i know the card isnt worth much but the guy fired a serious offense at him and told him he was going to jail,, lolol, so here is the definition of mail fraud via wikopedia
Mail fraud is an offense under United States federal law, which refers to any scheme which attempts to unlawfully obtain money or valuables in which the postal system is used at any point in the commission of a criminal offense. Mail fraud is covered by Title 18 of the United States Code, Chapter 63. As in the case of wire fraud, this statute is often used as a basis for a separate federal prosecution of what would otherwise have been only a violation of a state law. "Mail fraud" is a term of art referring to a specific statutory crime in the United States of America. In countries with nonfederal legal systems the concept of mail fraud is irrelevant: the activities listed below are likely to be crimes there, but the fact that they are carried out by mail makes no difference as to which authority may prosecute or as to the penalties which may be imposed. In the 1960s and '70s, inspectors under regional chief postal inspectors such as Martin McGee, known as "Mr. Mail Fraud," exposed and prosecuted numerous swindles involving land sales, phony advertising practices, insurance ripoffs and fraudulent charitable organizations using mail fraud charges[1][2]
Types of mail fraud [edit] Non-delivery or misrepresentation of mail-order merchandise This scheme exists in various forms; order an item, make payment, receive nothing is the simplest form of mail fraud.Other variants include misleading descriptions (advertisement says an expensive camera is available by mail-order, when the item arrives it turns out to be a toy camera ), deliberate sale of defective merchandise or even stolen merchandise. High-ticket items such as computer hardware are particularly tempting targets for scam artists.
The same scams now exist online; non-delivery of auction or mail-order merchandise advertised on Internet sites is a common complaint.
Another variant involves shipping merchandise which was never ordered, obtaining a signature on delivery (or even COD), demanding payment for the items on the basis that they were signed for at destination.
Promotions selling services or data delivered entirely online are also particularly high-risk; if the promoter in question refuses to deliver as advertised, a fraud may be much more difficult to prove than if the seller is obliged to ship a parcel which requires a signature at destination.
to far over the line?,, maybe a mountain or mole hill thing?,,,lolol,, bj
I feel the buyer was wrong. The seller offerd a full refund & cost of shipping.
So why did he deserve a neg?? He made a mistake & was going to rectify it.
Buying or trading for these signed Jeter rc's: 1992 GCL, 93 Stadium Club, 93 Greensboro,, 93 South Atlantic League, 93 Topps Marlins & Rockies,, 94 Classic Tampa, 94 Procards Tampa, 94 Florida State League & 95 Columbus Clippers.
<< <i>I feel the buyer was wrong. The seller offered a full refund & cost of shipping.
So why did he deserve a neg?? He made a mistake & was going to rectify it. >>
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I guess because the buyer's first card was inartfully played AND the seller's first card made it perfectly clear that the problem was not going to be resolved in a manner satisfactory to the buyer.
(Dear seller,)
I received this card today and it is not numbered /150. It is numbered /250. Please advise what you will do about this. - jlzinck
seller's reply- Dear jlzinck,
Is this serious? Send the card back in a plain white envalope I will refund you this plus .50 for envalope and shipping. Most blue refractors are #/150. The RC autos must be #/250 but im not going to give a freebie or refund for that, sorry but look at all the others you actually paid less then for yours then others have gone for. Anyhow send back, I will refund you the money you paid plus .50. Thats a fair deal for both of us.
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"Please advise what you will do about this," has now become known as "extortion chat" by scumbag buyers looking for a partial refund. THAT was not the buyer's intention, but the seller could have easily perceived it as such.
"Is this serious?" is rude and gratuitous. Great way to end up with a NEG.
Buyers need to make a firm demand - not an open-ended plea that invites negotiation - in their first contact with an errant seller.
Sellers that make obvious mistakes need to refund the tiny-money and tell the buyer to keep the item. No point in getting in fights you cannot win; and, no point in trying to negotiate damages when the potentially "saved" money is tiny.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
You can make a case against him that he did a "bait and switch". Tell him that is a minimum 3 years in the big house and you will be filing a police report
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>Why do you need tracking proof sending back a $3 card?? are you kidding me? Wasting half the price of the card in tracking that 90% chance won't be needed is asinine. >>
The seller misrepresented the item. It doesn't matter if its intentional or not...The SELLER screwed up. I wouldn't send the card back to him in a PWE, I'd send it with delivery notification and ask him to cover those shipping costs too. Why should the buyer send the card back in a PWE and just hope that the seller is honest enough to admit he received it, thus putting the buyer at risk. Anyone who suggests that as the best course of action is missing the point that the SELLER is the one who screwed up here, not the buyer. I think the buyer provided a NEG too early, but I don't think he was wrong in refusing to mail with a PWE. >>
If I were the seller, and someone wanted to return a $3 card, I'd just refund their purchase price, I think. However, I would give them the option to send it back in a PWE. When the requested money for tracking info, I'd just refund their purchase price. I would, however, be offended that they thought I'd scam them out of a $3 card. I mean, come on. It always seems to be the buyers of cheap items that make trouble.
IMO, Buyer and Seller were both wrong in this situation, and I think it's only fitting they should share a jail cell.
Honestly though, I think this shows a great example of how over reacting (or always thinking the worst) about other people on the internet can lead to meltdowns.
I'm pretty sure if I was the buyer (or the seller) in this transaction, it would have been resolved to the liking of the other party, and we would have both walked away happy .... and could have done business again in the future.
Although, the seller does come off as a little nutty ... so I'm not so sure I'd frequent his store again.
Wow. There's 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back. I think both parties in this transaction should be embarassed and ashamed that this stupidity is occuring over a POS $3 card. This is a shining example of why we don't list anything on ebay unless it's expected to bring at least $20 or more. I doubt they keep demographics on such things but I am willing to bet that a vast majority of the problem transactions on ebay happen on things that fall under that level. Why would someone want to waste time photographing, listing, shipping and paying fees just to sell a $3 item that they can't be making anything on, and then get hassles if you happen to screw up, like negative feedback from some nimrod who wants to turn a simple mistake into a big deal? And, on the other side of the equation, why would a $3 card be such a big deal that you feel the need to leave a neg in the first place rather than just send the stupid thing back and go with the odds that you'll get a refund... or better yet, just keep the freaking thing and forget about it so you don't have to deal with the nutjob seller? It's three lousy bucks for crying out loud! Geez.
"...we don't list anything on ebay unless it's expected to bring at least $20 or more. I doubt they keep demographics on such things but I am willing to bet that a vast majority of the problem transactions on ebay happen on things that fall under that level...."
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EBAY has numbers on EVERYTHING; they are mostly proprietary.
My WAG is that - across non-motors categories - 85%+ of NEGs are generated by buyers who have less than $20 invested in the transaction.
For low-vol sellers to offer tiny-dollar items is suicidal. BIG-vol sellers can absorb the NEGs, little sellers cannot.
...............
By October, buyers will have a new hammer to beat sellers with.
The mere filing of a SNAD or INR claim will result in sanctions against sellers. Such sanctions will include loss of TRS status, search-rank reductions, suspension, and NARU decisions.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
I've got 1 piece of advice for you: Don't bend over for the soap.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Comments
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<< <i>damnit, I just used up my 3 offers. >>
Did you call him a BINiot? >>
no, surely he knows already.
If he retalites call the PA State police.
Did you call him a BINiot? >>
I'm confused. Is a BINiot someone who asks outlandish prices and has the item sit for years? or is a BINiot the rare person dumb enough to make the purchase?
http://www.unisquare.com/store/brick/
Ralph
<< <i>Here's a response from his Signed Metallica album.
I had someone contact me earlier about this being on a message board. Could you please link me to the board this was on?
There is 3rd party authenticity with all the autographed records. As stated I am no music buff but I purchased these from an estate auction this weekend, there was much music and sports memorabilia there and some notable people. I also had the items examined by 4 music stores all with good reputations. All said the same thing, the items looked authentic with most the autographs dating the mid seventies- early 80's when the pen touched the vinyl. I say this because someone contacted me earlier on an item saying it was posted on a message board and then I get 2 complete joke offers (you and another "card" person). Im on SCF with over 200 perfect feedback and on here and had perfect feedback till this past weekend when 2 people who bought $5 items though that they would get free items just because thus resulting in 2 negatives here which im curtrently in the process of being removed. I would appreciate the link to the forum post so I could state the truth myself instead of having people who think they know alot comment on it.
Thanks
- mikescards15 >>
Well using this info I searched SCF and found him... SCF Name sorianofan22. He is 21 years old and has 164 feedback and though I went to school in Boston 164 < "over 200"
<< <i>
<< <i>Why do you need tracking proof sending back a $3 card?? are you kidding me? Wasting half the price of the card in tracking that 90% chance won't be needed is asinine. >>
The seller misrepresented the item. It doesn't matter if its intentional or not...The SELLER screwed up. I wouldn't send the card back to him in a PWE, I'd send it with delivery notification and ask him to cover those shipping costs too. Why should the buyer send the card back in a PWE and just hope that the seller is honest enough to admit he received it, thus putting the buyer at risk. Anyone who suggests that as the best course of action is missing the point that the SELLER is the one who screwed up here, not the buyer. I think the buyer provided a NEG too early, but I don't think he was wrong in refusing to mail with a PWE. >>
Right. If the buyer did not want to return in a PWE he didn't have to. However, he could have just returned it with tracking. However, I do agree it would be a complete waste of tracking. That is unless you have a 25% history of items being mailing getting lost.
Bottom line, seller did make a simple mistake and did made an offer to fix it, if the buyer didn't like the fix it reply, he could have tried to negociate or something. Strange to choose just to neg and then complain about the whole ordeal here. Mistakes happen, this was nothing major. Buyer overreacted. Seller himself could likely use a little medication.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
[url=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150444237606&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT]2010 Bowman Chrome Dustin Richardson BlueREF Auto /150 - eBay (item 150444237606 end time May-18-10 17:13:37 PDT)[/url]
Cool Blue Ref auto /150. Must be a retail parallel as I have not seen /150 auto and just bought a /250 auto.
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So, if I'm understanding this correctly, the seller makes a typo, the buyer recognizes that the title might not fit ("as I have not seen /150 auto and just bought a /250 auto"), but bids and pays without asking any questions, and then doesn't want to return this $3 card in a PWE or pay for tracking.
Bottom line - I think the seller should have ignored the neg. As a buyer, if I read the negative comment, I wouldn't have cared. Not one bit. His response makes him look a million times worse than the actual feedback.
Can I have everyone's ebay id so I can put you guys on my BBL. I don't want to piss anyone off and end up with 14 negs 3.2 DSR accross the board and 267,321,456 BS offers on my BIN/BOs
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
Mail fraud is an offense under United States federal law, which refers to any scheme which attempts to unlawfully obtain money or valuables in which the postal system is used at any point in the commission of a criminal offense. Mail fraud is covered by Title 18 of the United States Code, Chapter 63. As in the case of wire fraud, this statute is often used as a basis for a separate federal prosecution of what would otherwise have been only a violation of a state law. "Mail fraud" is a term of art referring to a specific statutory crime in the United States of America. In countries with nonfederal legal systems the concept of mail fraud is irrelevant: the activities listed below are likely to be crimes there, but the fact that they are carried out by mail makes no difference as to which authority may prosecute or as to the penalties which may be imposed. In the 1960s and '70s, inspectors under regional chief postal inspectors such as Martin McGee, known as "Mr. Mail Fraud," exposed and prosecuted numerous swindles involving land sales, phony advertising practices, insurance ripoffs and fraudulent charitable organizations using mail fraud charges[1][2]
Types of mail fraud
[edit] Non-delivery or misrepresentation of mail-order merchandise
This scheme exists in various forms; order an item, make payment, receive nothing is the simplest form of mail fraud.Other variants include misleading descriptions (advertisement says an expensive camera is available by mail-order, when the item arrives it turns out to be a toy camera ), deliberate sale of defective merchandise or even stolen merchandise. High-ticket items such as computer hardware are particularly tempting targets for scam artists.
The same scams now exist online; non-delivery of auction or mail-order merchandise advertised on Internet sites is a common complaint.
Another variant involves shipping merchandise which was never ordered, obtaining a signature on delivery (or even COD), demanding payment for the items on the basis that they were signed for at destination.
Promotions selling services or data delivered entirely online are also particularly high-risk; if the promoter in question refuses to deliver as advertised, a fraud may be much more difficult to prove than if the seller is obliged to ship a parcel which requires a signature at destination.
to far over the line?,, maybe a mountain or mole hill thing?,,,lolol,, bj
"...too far over the line?,,...."
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Yes.
No fraud here, on either side.
Just a young seller that does not realize what he is up against
when dealing with experienced EBAY buyers.
Two lessons for sellers:
1. It is unwise to sell tiny-priced items on EBAY.
2. If you get in a tiny-dollar dispute with an EBAY-buyer, make
a fast/full refund and move on.
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A fun fact for all to know:
"...any scheme which attempts to unlawfully obtain money or valuables..."
The Code ONLY cares about "attempts." Success is not a required element of
the crime; and, failure is not a defense.
So why did he deserve a neg?? He made a mistake & was going to rectify it.
1992 GCL, 93 Stadium Club, 93 Greensboro,, 93 South Atlantic League, 93 Topps Marlins & Rockies,, 94 Classic Tampa, 94 Procards Tampa, 94 Florida State League & 95 Columbus Clippers.
<< <i>I feel the buyer was wrong. The seller offered a full refund & cost of shipping.
So why did he deserve a neg?? He made a mistake & was going to rectify it. >>
///////////////////////////////////////////////
I guess because the buyer's first card was inartfully played AND
the seller's first card made it perfectly clear that the problem was
not going to be resolved in a manner satisfactory to the buyer.
(Dear seller,)
I received this card today and it is not numbered /150. It is numbered /250. Please advise what you will do about this.
- jlzinck
seller's reply-
Dear jlzinck,
Is this serious? Send the card back in a plain white envalope I will refund you this plus .50 for envalope and shipping. Most blue refractors are #/150. The RC autos must be #/250 but im not going to give a freebie or refund for that, sorry but look at all the others you actually paid less then for yours then others have gone for. Anyhow send back, I will refund you the money you paid plus .50. Thats a fair deal for both of us.
................................................
"Please advise what you will do about this," has now become
known as "extortion chat" by scumbag buyers looking for a
partial refund. THAT was not the buyer's intention, but the
seller could have easily perceived it as such.
"Is this serious?" is rude and gratuitous. Great way to end
up with a NEG.
Buyers need to make a firm demand - not an open-ended
plea that invites negotiation - in their first contact with an
errant seller.
Sellers that make obvious mistakes need to refund the
tiny-money and tell the buyer to keep the item. No point
in getting in fights you cannot win; and, no point in trying
to negotiate damages when the potentially "saved" money
is tiny.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>
<< <i>Why do you need tracking proof sending back a $3 card?? are you kidding me? Wasting half the price of the card in tracking that 90% chance won't be needed is asinine. >>
The seller misrepresented the item. It doesn't matter if its intentional or not...The SELLER screwed up. I wouldn't send the card back to him in a PWE, I'd send it with delivery notification and ask him to cover those shipping costs too. Why should the buyer send the card back in a PWE and just hope that the seller is honest enough to admit he received it, thus putting the buyer at risk. Anyone who suggests that as the best course of action is missing the point that the SELLER is the one who screwed up here, not the buyer. I think the buyer provided a NEG too early, but I don't think he was wrong in refusing to mail with a PWE. >>
If I were the seller, and someone wanted to return a $3 card, I'd just refund their purchase price, I think. However, I would give them the option to send it back in a PWE. When the requested money for tracking info, I'd just refund their purchase price. I would, however, be offended that they thought I'd scam them out of a $3 card. I mean, come on.
It always seems to be the buyers of cheap items that make trouble.
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
<< <i>Most ridiculous thread of 2010, but with 7 months left (and chris777 still around) you probably wont win. >>
I find it painful to say this, but I have to agree with Lee in this matter.
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
<< <i>Most ridiculous thread of 2010, but with 7 months left (and chris777 still around) you probably wont win. >>
Steve
I didn't realize this thread was about a $3 item...
Honestly though, I think this shows a great example of how over reacting (or always thinking the worst) about other people on the internet can lead to meltdowns.
I'm pretty sure if I was the buyer (or the seller) in this transaction, it would have been resolved to the liking of the other party, and we would have both walked away happy .... and could have done business again in the future.
Although, the seller does come off as a little nutty ... so I'm not so sure I'd frequent his store again.
Just my 2¢
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
"...we don't list anything on ebay unless it's expected to bring at least $20 or more. I doubt they keep demographics on such things but I am willing to bet that a vast majority of the problem transactions on ebay happen on things that fall under that level...."
/////////////////////////////////////////////////
EBAY has numbers on EVERYTHING; they are mostly proprietary.
My WAG is that - across non-motors categories - 85%+ of NEGs
are generated by buyers who have less than $20 invested in the
transaction.
For low-vol sellers to offer tiny-dollar items is suicidal. BIG-vol
sellers can absorb the NEGs, little sellers cannot.
...............
By October, buyers will have a new hammer to beat sellers with.
The mere filing of a SNAD or INR claim will result in sanctions against
sellers. Such sanctions will include loss of TRS status, search-rank
reductions, suspension, and NARU decisions.