RED designation?
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What would you make of that? Was graded ms63rd by a reputable TPG.
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Without having looked in detail to this particular coin, 63RD is not a very desirable grade in my eyes, I'll prefer a 64 or 65RB at any given day over it. It usually means that the coin has some seriously distracting spots, if not more sins. So, the logic behind the RD is that they compensated by reducing numerical points, which should make a buyer suspicious at the very least.
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It looks like someone's sneezed on it.
It is a 2 Mil from palestine it seems... not a small coin - obviously that shmutz is not that obvious but did keep it from a higher grade etc.
Huss many Palestine coins come with that crud - shees where, why? Def did not turn - it was there - I've seen tons of nice examples damaged by that. :l
Stand for its still probably a nice example as in a pic it looks magnified and all - maybe try taking a full shot of front and back so you/we can tell more how it effects the overall piece. 63RD regardless is tough too...really!
Anyway, I'm with the guys above, I usually go for RB coins unless I can find a spot free 65 or 66 RD, anything less than that usually doesn't look all that good to me. It just seems that a very minor blemish on a full red coin really jumps out at you.
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Marc, I didn’t see the coin in hand, but the seller did send me another pic that I’ll try to post. Maybe in hand is not so distracting, but I doubt that.
I agree with you all, The best example I ever seen from 45 was MS65RB with obverse that is way superior to any other 65’s I’ve seen,
Was actually trying to get it back for a friend, after I sold it few yrs ago, with no luck.
Hussulo, am not sure how you designate active ?
JC, I don’t think there’s 95% rule, because I remember sitting in a lecture from one of the very top graders, and he said that he won’t RB a red coin just because there’s a tiny spot that is not distracting, but I believe “distracting” is the keyword here…
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Hussulo, am not sure how you designate active ?
If its a dark-black colour I would think its stable and wont get worse or damage the surface of the coin any more.
If it is light or green (verdigris) it might be active and damage or pit the surface of the coin.
This is one of the reasons I'm not a huge copper fan. Even though I do own some red and red/brown British fractional farthings I just live in hope that they don't turn. All copper will eventually tone and copper is such a volatile metal anyway. I personally would not buy or tie in big money into a copper coin, especially a red one.
This is one of the reasons why I like collecting gold coins, gold as a metal is so much more stable. True you don't tend to get much toning including some off the nice tones you get on silver coins but you know where you stand with gold. In a thousand years time the gold coin you have in your hand will most likely look the same. Can you say that about copper coins?
........also this coin standfor is showing above is BRONZE not copper.
I do get your drift - a number of years ago I contemplated large cents in mint state and was really leary of that problem...so for now just stayed away.
Standfor I have a 2 Mil same date '45 in 65RD - its the finest I've ever seen - if you want I'll post it here.
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Marc, I will love you to post it, If I remember right I saw only one 2M graded 65RD and it was a 42.
Personally, I’m a sucker for chocolate brown coins, especially if they are consistent with no red patches, and especially if they show full luster
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Don't get me wrong there are some amazing copper/ bronze red collections out there but some of the big money that is paid on some of the US coins especially, is astronomical. I would be a bit scarred to own any of these coins in the fear that they may develop spots and their value plummet over night (not that I will probably ever have that kind of money in the first place).
I guess that's one of the reasons PCGS doesn't colour guarantee red coins any more.
edited to add just so that you don't think I'm really anti-red. Here's a picture of probably the reddest coin I own (picture doesn't show the true full lustre):
I agree that frequently the aesthetics of a RB piece can exceed those of a R(ed) piece. I will not say this to always be the case. Another issue is that some, not all, Red pieces have been cleaned or processed.
It seems the overall point is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and not the holder!
Well, just Love coins, period.
It should be in the census - I actually just looked seems they graded 7 REDs in last few days...huh? I haven't seen one all RED or this nice indecades - unsure if thats a typo or a fluke but last week there was only 1
Here goes;
Conservation may help your piece Stanfor... but the cost and the unknown may not make it worth it. Perhaps upgrade when you can and sell this one thereafter would be a better route?
Hussolo lol ok your good
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NOTE: If anyone here has had RED 2 MIL 1945 examples SLABBED last few days (NGC) (past 30days) please PM me .
The reason I wonder about this 63 is educational only, Probably Dimitri had the right idea of the grader logic, but I just curious for more…
I even think I have a ngc 65BR left from one of the sales.
Hussulo, that’s a lovely piece, I’ll post one of my ol time favorite, 65RD with spots too, but they are not irritating at all.
A bit kinky tho
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a bit kinky too? lol