I'm out about $50 and wasted time. So I am a little harmed. I have felt stung on submissions many times by not getting the grade I expected or by a coin bagging I didnt expect. But this I have never seen and it just doesnt sit right. But, there is obviously nothing I can do about it. So, I will just move on. If PCGS doesnt want to take my money, other companies will I suppose. I wish someone there would have been the voice of reason and fixed this though.
You got some excellent education for $50 that will be very valuable down the road. Eventually a submission comes back totally different than you expected. It happens to the best pros as well. It doesn't mean the grades/opinions are infallible.
Imagine a coin so heavily worked or damaged it's hard to offer an opinion on it. At some point that item ceases to be the original coin. For a comparison I offer up the sometimes nebulous field of antique and muscle car restorations. As a purist I like to see the original body and chassis (or at least 75%) of it as part of an "original" restoration. If a restorer changes every major body panel on a rust bucket project car and uses a loaner chassis how can one even call that the original car if only glass, drivetrain, steering wheel, and wheels remain original? At some point, a worked over Gobrecht could certainly cease to be definitively genuine to a TPG. No doubt the TPGs place coins with lesser problems into regular slabs. And no doubt they place problematic coins into genuine slabs. But there also has to be a limit as to how badly damaged/worked over a coin is that they will allow in their slab. There just cannot be zero limitations with the "genuine" label.
<< <i>The Gobrecht Dollar was a problem coin before Allen worked on it and it remains one. The eye appeal is much better now though and I will just send it to NGC and have it reslabbed when it gets back. If PCGS couldnt declare it genuine alone then I would have understood.
The trade dollars were fine, genuine, and at least one was problem free. PCGS knows the difference between real and fake trade dollars. If one wasnt real, it would have been bagged for questionable authenticty. If those coins had come from the same source and their was the possibility that they could be well made counterfiets, I might buy this. They came from totally different dealers and have totally different attributes. >>
I'm just curios. Was this your first PCGS Submission?
I don't want to upset you, but PCGS IS THE EXPERT and their word is final. You were very fortunate to get a refund. >>
It was my 24th. First time I have ever had a coin not grade either genuine, fake or problem free. And I had three in the same order. That is not a coincidence. Something is wrong here.
So"we dont know, it is beyond our capabilities to tell" is the final word? I think not. >>
It's the final word from PCGS, yes. A message board rant is not going to change anything.
<< <i>I'm out about $50 and wasted time. So I am a little harmed. I have felt stung on submissions many times by not getting the grade I expected or by a coin bagging I didnt expect. But this I have never seen and it just doesnt sit right. But, there is obviously nothing I can do about it. So, I will just move on. If PCGS doesnt want to take my money, other companies will I suppose. I wish someone there would have been the voice of reason and fixed this though.
You got some good education for $50 that will be very valuable down the road. Eventually a submission comes back totally different than you expected. It happens to the best pros as well. It doesn't mean the grades/opinions were infallible.
Imagine a coin so heavily worked or damaged it's hard to offer an opinion on it. At some point that item ceases to be the original coin. For a comparison I offer up the cloudy field of antique and muscle car restorations. As a purist I like to see the original body and chassis (or at least 75%) of it as part of a restoration. If a restorer changes every major body panel on a rust bucket project car and uses a loaner chassis how can one even call that the original car if only glass, drivetrain, steering wheel, and wheels remain original? At some point, a worked over Gobrecht could certainly cease to be definitively genuine to a TPG. No doubt the TPGs place coins with lesser problems into regular slabs. And no doubt they place very problematic coins into genuine slabs. But there also has to be a limit as to how badly damaged/worked over a coin that they will allow in their slab. There just cannot be zero limitations.
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I have said all along that I can understand the Gobrecht Dollar. That one was plausible.
<< <i>I'm out about $50 and wasted time. So I am a little harmed. I have felt stung on submissions many times by not getting the grade I expected or by a coin bagging I didnt expect. But this I have never seen and it just doesnt sit right. But, there is obviously nothing I can do about it. So, I will just move on. If PCGS doesnt want to take my money, other companies will I suppose. I wish someone there would have been the voice of reason and fixed this though.
You got some good education for $50 that will be very valuable down the road. Eventually a submission comes back totally different than you expected. It happens to the best pros as well. It doesn't mean the grades/opinions were infallible.
Imagine a coin so heavily worked or damaged it's hard to offer an opinion on it. At some point that item ceases to be the original coin. For a comparison I offer up the cloudy field of antique and muscle car restorations. As a purist I like to see the original body and chassis (or at least 75%) of it as part of a restoration. If a restorer changes every major body panel on a rust bucket project car and uses a loaner chassis how can one even call that the original car if only glass, drivetrain, steering wheel, and wheels remain original? At some point, a worked over Gobrecht could certainly cease to be definitively genuine to a TPG. No doubt the TPGs place coins with lesser problems into regular slabs. And no doubt they place very problematic coins into genuine slabs. But there also has to be a limit as to how badly damaged/worked over a coin that they will allow in their slab. There just cannot be zero limitations.
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I have said all along that I can understand the Gobrecht Dollar. That one was plausible. >>
Ok, what do you want us to do? PCGS is not going to change their mind.
Nope. I just wanted to tell my story since this is the place. I had hopes that Don Willis would see this, and say "what the hell?" walk down look at my coins and DonSmack the grader who did it! And then get them graded! But, I guess thats not gonna happen!
<< <i>You take a chance when buying problem coins and then submitting them to pcgs. I agree with the results from them. Sorry but they know better than us. >>
PCGS grades chopmarked trade dollars as problem free. And they grade dipped coins as problem free. If you agree without seeing the coins then you really dont have an opinion. You are just agreeing because you like kool aid. >>
This is not true, PCGS grade Chop Marked Dollars as Chop Marked not problem free. They don't cross in the registry and they sure don't bring the same money. I argee with an earlier poster that 1836 does not belong in a PCGS holder as the problems would only be harder to see and got lost to time. >>
They are considered a variety and get normal grades. Not "genuine" grades unless something other than the chopmarks are wrong with them. >>
All my coins come back in slabs, I think you should do more listing and less talking.
<< <i>Nope. I just wanted to tell my story since this is the place. I had hopes that Don Willis would see this, and say "what the hell?" walk down look at my coins and DonSmack the grader who did it! And then get them graded! But, I guess thats not gonna happen! >>
<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong.
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The Gobrecht intrigues me. Having looked at the "before" picture and blown it up, it appears that the coin was once inscribed with a name at left and possibly regimental info at right, which leads me to believe it was used either as a Mexican War or possibly Civil War ID disc or presentation piece. If true, that would have made this a very desirable and valuable piece- not to mention that it was done on a Gobrecht Dollar to boot, and as such was probably the only one of its kind extant. Too bad someone eradicated the info and left only the NY at bottom. If it were ID'd to someone of historical significance it could potentially have brought multiples of normal Gobrecht money if properly marketed. Alas, what might have been.
<< <i>The Gobrecht intrigues me. Having looked at the "before" picture and blown it up, it appears that the coin was once inscribed with a name at left and possibly regimental info at right, which leads me to believe it was used either as a Mexican War or possibly Civil War ID disc or presentation piece. If true, that would have made this a very desirable and valuable piece- not to mention that it was done on a Gobrecht Dollar to boot, and as such was probably the only one of its kind extant. Too bad someone eradicated the info and left only the NY at bottom. If it were ID'd to someone of historical significance it could potentially have brought multiples of normal Gobrecht money if properly marketed. Alas, what might have been. >>
I tried very hard to read the writing that was scratched off, but it just wasnt readable. Whoever attepted the first "repair" really hurt the coin. If the graffiti had been something of that nature I would have never had it removed. All it amounted to were deep scratches in the fields which made it really ugly.
<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong. >>
Graders are human but their grading opinions carry more credibility than those of most others.
An opinion was formed in this case and their consensus opinion was that the coins could not be conclusively proven to be genuine.
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I was at the Philly show last year and tried to cross a PCGS Genuine coin (a 1795 dollar) to NGC for a details grade. I paid $100 bucks for walk through service. They did the same thing - but kept my money (or tried to). They claimed that because the coin had altered surfaces (cleaned/retoned), they could not authenticate it. A load of BS. I argued enough that at least they refunded my fees, but it was frustrating. BTW, the coin is now in an ANACS AU50 problem holder.
<< <i>The Gobrecht intrigues me. Having looked at the "before" picture and blown it up, it appears that the coin was once inscribed with a name at left and possibly regimental info at right, which leads me to believe it was used either as a Mexican War or possibly Civil War ID disc or presentation piece. If true, that would have made this a very desirable and valuable piece- not to mention that it was done on a Gobrecht Dollar to boot, and as such was probably the only one of its kind extant. Too bad someone eradicated the info and left only the NY at bottom. If it were ID'd to someone of historical significance it could potentially have brought multiples of normal Gobrecht money if properly marketed. Alas, what might have been. >>
I tried very hard to read the writing that was scratched off, but it just wasnt readable. Whoever attepted the first "repair" really hurt the coin. If the graffiti had been something of that nature I would have never had it removed. All it amounted to were deep scratches in the fields which made it really ugly. >>
Understood...it looked quite obvious that it was an old attempt to remove the writing. Looking at the quality of the "NY", it appears that the inscription was likely jeweler made, thus it was IMO either a presentation piece or an ID piece for someone more well-heeled like an officer perhaps. Lesser soldiers generally used smaller coins for such things (We do CW memorabilia as well and have handled a lot of inscribed coins that were used as ID discs, army corps badges, etc. over the years.)
<< <i>I was at the Philly show last year and tried to cross a PCGS Genuine coin (a 1795 dollar) to NGC for a details grade. I paid $100 bucks for walk through service. They did the same thing - but kept my money (or tried to). They claimed that because the coin had altered surfaces (cleaned/retoned), they could not authenticate it. A load of BS. I argued enough that at least they refunded my fees, but it was frustrating. BTW, the coin is now in an ANACS AU50 problem holder. >>
It very sad to see that type of back biting going on between the two services.
<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong. >>
What opinion did I get? That they dont know the difference between real and fake trade dollars? >>
It was a general statement and didn't apply to any specific coin but if you need a specific example, look at all those counterfeit micro "O" mintmark Morgan dollars that were slabbed. Much to PCGS's credit, they did a recall of those coins and bought back as many of these mistakes as they could.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I was actually the underbidder on the Gobrecht dollar in question and it is a shame - I know that most will disagree with me BUT
I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it.
<< <i>I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it. >>
I agree 110%
<< <i>Do you disagree that it was a good repair job? Or feel that it is wrong to repair coins at all? >>
The latter.
Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
coinguy - I know you are not asking me specifically but I will answer anyway -
I have no issues with repairing a coin as long as the repair is known by all. However, in the case of this Gobrecht as I say above, it had history to share, but now that it is repaired that history has been washed away.
I believe that you should have the option to get your coins repaired, however, doing so may result in irreparable damage to the coin. It's a question of the doctors "ability."
The no-slabs, 2 I believe should be "genuined" and the other one rejected. However, since all three were submitted in a raw state, they should grade independently of the other coins.
I believe that the solution is to resubmit, separately for a better "chance" at getting genuine slabs.
<< <i>coinguy - I know you are not asking me specifically but I will answer anyway -
I have no issues with repairing a coin as long as the repair is known by all. However, in the case of this Gobrecht as I say above, it had history to share, but now that it is repaired that history has been washed away. >>
Thanks. And I think I agree in full, even though I can understand why some owners would want the Gobrecht Dollar repaired.
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<< <i>I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it. >>
I agree 110%
<< <i>Do you disagree that it was a good repair job? Or feel that it is wrong to repair coins at all? >>
<< <i><< I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it. >>
I agree 110%
<< Do you disagree that it was a good repair job? Or feel that it is wrong to repair coins at all? >>
The latter. >>
Really? Even if the repair will be disclosed? >>
That's an awfully big "if." Especially years down the road when the coin has changed hands multiple times. It may sound weird, but I'd rather have a coin with a hole than a repaired coin.
Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
You have got to be kidding! The OP comes on here to complain that PCGS did not grade his repaired coin. Then has the temerity to publish before and after photos!
I am going to leave this thread up so everyone can understand the kind of nonsense that we have to deal with.
Meanwhile we will contemplate what our next step will be. Having his coin not graded may end up being the least of the OP's problems.
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You got some excellent education for $50 that will be very valuable down the road. Eventually a submission comes back totally different than you expected. It happens to the best pros as well. It doesn't mean the grades/opinions are infallible.
Imagine a coin so heavily worked or damaged it's hard to offer an opinion on it. At some point that item ceases to be the original coin. For a comparison I offer up the sometimes nebulous field of antique and muscle car restorations. As a purist I like to see the original body and chassis (or at least 75%) of it as part of an "original" restoration. If a restorer changes every major body panel on a rust bucket project car and uses a loaner chassis how can one even call that the original car if only glass, drivetrain, steering wheel, and wheels remain original? At some point, a worked over Gobrecht could certainly cease to be definitively genuine to a TPG. No doubt the TPGs place coins with lesser problems into regular slabs. And no doubt they place problematic coins into genuine slabs. But there also has to be a limit as to how badly damaged/worked over a coin is that they will allow in their slab. There just cannot be zero limitations with the "genuine" label.
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<< <i>The Gobrecht Dollar was a problem coin before Allen worked on it and it remains one. The eye appeal is much better now though and I will just send it to NGC and have it reslabbed when it gets back. If PCGS couldnt declare it genuine alone then I would have understood.
The trade dollars were fine, genuine, and at least one was problem free. PCGS knows the difference between real and fake trade dollars. If one wasnt real, it would have been bagged for questionable authenticty. If those coins had come from the same source and their was the possibility that they could be well made counterfiets, I might buy this. They came from totally different dealers and have totally different attributes. >>
I'm just curios. Was this your first PCGS Submission?
I don't want to upset you, but PCGS IS THE EXPERT and their word is final. You were very fortunate to get a refund. >>
It was my 24th. First time I have ever had a coin not grade either genuine, fake or problem free. And I had three in the same order. That is not a coincidence. Something is wrong here.
So"we dont know, it is beyond our capabilities to tell" is the final word? I think not. >>
It's the final word from PCGS, yes. A message board rant is not going to change anything.
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<< <i>I'm out about $50 and wasted time. So I am a little harmed. I have felt stung on submissions many times by not getting the grade I expected or by a coin bagging I didnt expect. But this I have never seen and it just doesnt sit right. But, there is obviously nothing I can do about it. So, I will just move on. If PCGS doesnt want to take my money, other companies will I suppose. I wish someone there would have been the voice of reason and fixed this though.
You got some good education for $50 that will be very valuable down the road. Eventually a submission comes back totally different than you expected. It happens to the best pros as well. It doesn't mean the grades/opinions were infallible.
Imagine a coin so heavily worked or damaged it's hard to offer an opinion on it. At some point that item ceases to be the original coin. For a comparison I offer up the cloudy field of antique and muscle car restorations. As a purist I like to see the original body and chassis (or at least 75%) of it as part of a restoration. If a restorer changes every major body panel on a rust bucket project car and uses a loaner chassis how can one even call that the original car if only glass, drivetrain, steering wheel, and wheels remain original? At some point, a worked over Gobrecht could certainly cease to be definitively genuine to a TPG. No doubt the TPGs place coins with lesser problems into regular slabs. And no doubt they place very problematic coins into genuine slabs. But there also has to be a limit as to how badly damaged/worked over a coin that they will allow in their slab. There just cannot be zero limitations.
roadrunner >>
I have said all along that I can understand the Gobrecht Dollar. That one was plausible.
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<< <i>I'm out about $50 and wasted time. So I am a little harmed. I have felt stung on submissions many times by not getting the grade I expected or by a coin bagging I didnt expect. But this I have never seen and it just doesnt sit right. But, there is obviously nothing I can do about it. So, I will just move on. If PCGS doesnt want to take my money, other companies will I suppose. I wish someone there would have been the voice of reason and fixed this though.
You got some good education for $50 that will be very valuable down the road. Eventually a submission comes back totally different than you expected. It happens to the best pros as well. It doesn't mean the grades/opinions were infallible.
Imagine a coin so heavily worked or damaged it's hard to offer an opinion on it. At some point that item ceases to be the original coin. For a comparison I offer up the cloudy field of antique and muscle car restorations. As a purist I like to see the original body and chassis (or at least 75%) of it as part of a restoration. If a restorer changes every major body panel on a rust bucket project car and uses a loaner chassis how can one even call that the original car if only glass, drivetrain, steering wheel, and wheels remain original? At some point, a worked over Gobrecht could certainly cease to be definitively genuine to a TPG. No doubt the TPGs place coins with lesser problems into regular slabs. And no doubt they place very problematic coins into genuine slabs. But there also has to be a limit as to how badly damaged/worked over a coin that they will allow in their slab. There just cannot be zero limitations.
roadrunner >>
I have said all along that I can understand the Gobrecht Dollar. That one was plausible. >>
Ok, what do you want us to do? PCGS is not going to change their mind.
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<< <i>You take a chance when buying problem coins and then submitting them to pcgs.
I agree with the results from them.
Sorry but they know better than us.
PCGS grades chopmarked trade dollars as problem free. And they grade dipped coins as problem free. If you agree without seeing the coins then you really dont have an opinion. You are just agreeing because you like kool aid. >>
This is not true, PCGS grade Chop Marked Dollars as Chop Marked not problem free. They don't cross in the registry and they sure don't bring the same money. I argee with an earlier poster that 1836 does not belong in a PCGS holder as the problems would only be harder to see and got lost to time. >>
They are considered a variety and get normal grades. Not "genuine" grades unless something other than the chopmarks are wrong with them. >>
All my coins come back in slabs, I think you should do more listing and less talking.
<< <i>Nope. I just wanted to tell my story since this is the place. I had hopes that Don Willis would see this, and say "what the hell?" walk down look at my coins and DonSmack the grader who did it! And then get them graded! But, I guess thats not gonna happen! >>
Well, sorry but that is very unrealistic.
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<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong.
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<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong. >>
But it is a important opinion that was independently solicited due to their track record.
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<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong. >>
What opinion did I get? That they dont know the difference between real and fake trade dollars?
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<< <i>The Gobrecht intrigues me. Having looked at the "before" picture and blown it up, it appears that the coin was once inscribed with a name at left and possibly regimental info at right, which leads me to believe it was used either as a Mexican War or possibly Civil War ID disc or presentation piece. If true, that would have made this a very desirable and valuable piece- not to mention that it was done on a Gobrecht Dollar to boot, and as such was probably the only one of its kind extant. Too bad someone eradicated the info and left only the NY at bottom. If it were ID'd to someone of historical significance it could potentially have brought multiples of normal Gobrecht money if properly marketed. Alas, what might have been.
I tried very hard to read the writing that was scratched off, but it just wasnt readable. Whoever attepted the first "repair" really hurt the coin. If the graffiti had been something of that nature I would have never had it removed. All it amounted to were deep scratches in the fields which made it really ugly.
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<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong. >>
Graders are human but their grading opinions carry more credibility than those of most others.
An opinion was formed in this case and their consensus opinion was that the coins could not be conclusively proven to be genuine.
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<< <i>The Gobrecht intrigues me. Having looked at the "before" picture and blown it up, it appears that the coin was once inscribed with a name at left and possibly regimental info at right, which leads me to believe it was used either as a Mexican War or possibly Civil War ID disc or presentation piece. If true, that would have made this a very desirable and valuable piece- not to mention that it was done on a Gobrecht Dollar to boot, and as such was probably the only one of its kind extant. Too bad someone eradicated the info and left only the NY at bottom. If it were ID'd to someone of historical significance it could potentially have brought multiples of normal Gobrecht money if properly marketed. Alas, what might have been.
I tried very hard to read the writing that was scratched off, but it just wasnt readable. Whoever attepted the first "repair" really hurt the coin. If the graffiti had been something of that nature I would have never had it removed. All it amounted to were deep scratches in the fields which made it really ugly. >>
Understood...it looked quite obvious that it was an old attempt to remove the writing. Looking at the quality of the "NY", it appears that the inscription was likely jeweler made, thus it was IMO either a presentation piece or an ID piece for someone more well-heeled like an officer perhaps. Lesser soldiers generally used smaller coins for such things (We do CW memorabilia as well and have handled a lot of inscribed coins that were used as ID discs, army corps badges, etc. over the years.)
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<< <i>I was at the Philly show last year and tried to cross a PCGS Genuine coin (a 1795 dollar) to NGC for a details grade. I paid $100 bucks for walk through service. They did the same thing - but kept my money (or tried to). They claimed that because the coin had altered surfaces (cleaned/retoned), they could not authenticate it. A load of BS. I argued enough that at least they refunded my fees, but it was frustrating. BTW, the coin is now in an ANACS AU50 problem holder. >>
It very sad to see that type of back biting going on between the two services.
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<< <i>When we send in coins we pay for an opinion, and sometimes that opinion isn't what we agree with...... >>
...........and sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong. >>
What opinion did I get? That they dont know the difference between real and fake trade dollars? >>
It was a general statement and didn't apply to any specific coin but if you need a specific example, look at all those counterfeit micro "O" mintmark Morgan dollars that were slabbed. Much to PCGS's credit, they did a recall of those coins and bought back as many of these mistakes as they could.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Interesting thread across the street... >>
I'll say....lots of coin doctor love over there
I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it.
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<< <i>Interesting thread across the street... >>
I'll say....lots of coin doctor love over there >>
Do you disagree that it was a good repair job? Or feel that it is wrong to repair coins at all?
<< <i>I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it. >>
I agree 110%
<< <i>Do you disagree that it was a good repair job? Or feel that it is wrong to repair coins at all? >>
The latter.
I have no issues with repairing a coin as long as the repair is known by all. However, in the case of this Gobrecht as I say above, it had history to share, but now that it is repaired that history has been washed away.
The no-slabs, 2 I believe should be "genuined" and the other one rejected. However, since all three were submitted in a raw state, they should grade independently of the other coins.
I believe that the solution is to resubmit, separately for a better "chance" at getting genuine slabs.
<< <i>coinguy - I know you are not asking me specifically but I will answer anyway -
I have no issues with repairing a coin as long as the repair is known by all. However, in the case of this Gobrecht as I say above, it had history to share, but now that it is repaired that history has been washed away. >>
Thanks. And I think I agree in full, even though I can understand why some owners would want the Gobrecht Dollar repaired.
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<< <i>I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it. >>
I agree 110%
<< <i>Do you disagree that it was a good repair job? Or feel that it is wrong to repair coins at all? >>
The latter. >>
Really? Even if the repair will be disclosed?
<< <i><< I liked it better before mr Stockton performed his magic. Yes it looks like a market acceptable Gobrecht, with issues, but before it had some character, history, someone loved it. >>
I agree 110%
<< Do you disagree that it was a good repair job? Or feel that it is wrong to repair coins at all? >>
The latter. >>
Really? Even if the repair will be disclosed? >>
That's an awfully big "if." Especially years down the road when the coin has changed hands multiple times. It may sound weird, but I'd rather have a coin with a hole than a repaired coin.
I am going to leave this thread up so everyone can understand the kind of nonsense that we have to deal with.
Meanwhile we will contemplate what our next step will be. Having his coin not graded may end up being the least of the OP's problems.