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Struck Through or Die Crack?

The line seems to run on top of the letters which i understand is something like struck through a foreign object like a thread?

Do the stars look doubled or machine doubled?

Thanks for looking

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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭✭
    doesnt seem to traverse like you would expect a die crack to


    might be struck through fiber/thread


    either way i dont think there is a big premium

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,625 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>might be struck through fiber/thread >>

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  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    anyone else have an opinion on this?
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I can't see the photo but both a struck thru and a crack should go thru both high spot snd low spots. A scratch or PMD is likely to only hit the high spots. --jerry
  • Bossman88Bossman88 Posts: 638 ✭✭
    It appears to me to be struck through a thread or fine wire.

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a die crack to me. Is the line raised or pressed in?? Hard to tell from the photo. answer this question and you will have your answer.
  • rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭
    Tough to tell from the pics, but a die crack will be raised above the surface of the coin and a strike through will be indented into the surface of the coin.
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the shadow, the line appears raised. Therefor it can't be a struck through error. Maybe a die scratch?
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  • LewyLewy Posts: 594
    PMD
  • It looks like a struck-thru wire.
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a die crack to me. Is the line raised or pressed in?? Hard to tell from the photo. answer this question and you will have your answer. >>



    Until this point is resolved, there is no definite answer to the posed question, unless I missed it somewhere.

    To minute (width wise) to be a strike through wire, maybe a human hair, but for now a slight die crack is plausible.
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  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    under 10x loupe,it appears RAISED and it is ON TOP of the letters.

    it is absolutely not a scratch across the coin.
  • LewyLewy Posts: 594
    Harry, if the line is raised, then it is not a strike through. A strike through (despite what it is struck through) will be incuse on the coin, not raised.

    If this were a die crack, it 'probably' would not have such straight segments, nor should it change directions at the entrance of the E and the R. It 'might' not be a die crack either.

    With your 10x loupe, look at the line from varying vectors, and notice if the line seems to be sloped (or higher on one side of the line). I am considering the possibility of a sharp cut (PMD) that has displaced metal and subsequently worn over to appear raised. I can find reasons not to accept this theory either though.

    Very interesting mark, but I feel that it would definitely have to be an 'in hand' judgment, but my best guess is either one very weird die crack or else PMD.
  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    the line is even,that is,there is no more metal on one side of the line than the other.
    look closely and see that the line is inside the extremly tight inner areas of the "M".
    the coin is uncirculated and other than a few small bag marks,it looks brand new.
    my first thought when i saw it.....was die crack.

    (it's a 67 Kennedy half)

  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i> Maybe a die scratch? >>



    My thought too.

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Now that I can see it I'm saying crack, mostly because of the way it abruptly changes direction. --Jerry
  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    heres a full reverse picture so you can see the lettering.

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Those are some great images of classic "machine doubling" The shelf like appearance, like the letter slid over like a layer of a cake, is classic.
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  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMHO it's a die crack

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