I just received this from Don Willis (which I suspect other have as well):
"A few weeks ago we updated you on our ongoing review of coins that are recognized by PCGS and are included in the PCGS Registry program. One series that we mentioned was Presidential dollars. In particular we have been reviewing the status of the various edge varieties.
We are continuing to review the Presidential dollar varieties as well as varieties of Native American dollar. As part of our review we have been consulting with various industry experts as well as our own internal staff. We have not reached a final decision but we wanted to give you an update on where things stood.
We have decided that while this issue is being researched, and until we reach a final decision, PCGS will no longer recognize any of the various edges for Presidential or Native American Dollars as unique varieties. This includes Position A and Position B coins. No new varieties will be added to the Registry sets although all coins previously recognized as varieties will remain as part of the set composition. Coins submitted for grading under previously recognized varieties will not be graded as such pending our final decision.
We thank you for your support.
Best wishes,
Don Willis President, PCGS"
Hmmmm. If PCGS decides to no longer attribute Edgel Lettering Varieties but still keep those that have already been attributed, it could be a windfall. But on the other hand, if PCGS drops those varieties from the registry sets, it'll be a financial disaster for me.
I know that there has been talk of missing/weak/partial edge lettering coins being the result of low pressure in the edge lettering machine but isn't that still considered an error? Grease Filled dies and weakly struck coins are errors so what's the difference?
From where I stand, regardless of whether PCGS drops the edge lettering varieties or not, the one TRUE error coin to come out of the Presidential Dollars is the Doubled Edge Lettering Adams Dollars. These are not wrap arounds but coins that were mistakenly passed twice through that confounded lettering machine. As such, they should still get the designation and be a part of the registries.
At least, thats what I think.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I just received this from Don Willis (which I suspect other have as well):
"A few weeks ago we updated you on our ongoing review of coins that are recognized by PCGS and are included in the PCGS Registry program. One series that we mentioned was Presidential dollars. In particular we have been reviewing the status of the various edge varieties.
We are continuing to review the Presidential dollar varieties as well as varieties of Native American dollar. As part of our review we have been consulting with various industry experts as well as our own internal staff. We have not reached a final decision but we wanted to give you an update on where things stood.
We have decided that while this issue is being researched, and until we reach a final decision, PCGS will no longer recognize any of the various edges for Presidential or Native American Dollars as unique varieties. This includes Position A and Position B coins. No new varieties will be added to the Registry sets although all coins previously recognized as varieties will remain as part of the set composition. Coins submitted for grading under previously recognized varieties will not be graded as such pending our final decision.
We thank you for your support.
Best wishes,
Don Willis President, PCGS"
Hmmmm. If PCGS decides to no longer attribute Edgel Lettering Varieties but still keep those that have already been attributed, it could be a windfall. But on the other hand, if PCGS drops those varieties from the registry sets, it'll be a financial disaster for me.
I know that there has been talk of missing/weak/partial edge lettering coins being the result of low pressure in the edge lettering machine but isn't that still considered an error? Grease Filled dies and weakly struck coins are errors so what's the difference?
From where I stand, regardless of whether PCGS drops the edge lettering varieties or not, the one TRUE error coin to come out of the Presidential Dollars is the Doubled Edge Lettering Adams Dollars. These are not wrap arounds but coins that were mistakenly passed twice through that confounded lettering machine. As such, they should still get the designation and be a part of the registries.
I guess I can see the trouble with the wording on this and including the overlapped but singly struck coins in the same designation as those double struck.
However, I still think overlapped letters are errors just because the problem is significant enough of a departure from what a normal striking would be.
I do admit the doubled up letters from being struck twice is more major, and the "misaligned" singly struck letters are more of a minor thing.
I am surprised at those complaining about potential numbers in registry sets.
One doesn't make a determination of "error worthy" based upon how it will affect collecting in registry sets.
PS In the interest of disclosure, I have a Tyler doubled/overlap coin graded and designated. It is the singly struck variety with misaligned letters. I was at first confused by the wording of the designation but rationalized it just as I interpret what they have written for the description now: the letters are doubled over each other such that they overlap.
I have just alerted PCGS of the potential problem.
I purchased a Tyler P Doubled Edge Overlapped Lettering Pos A MS66, with minimal observation shows no sign of Doubled edge lettering.
This is PCGS Variety # 413834
Under 10x power I can see the 9 and the P overlapped and a single star and the E overlapped and that's it!
There is not even one number, letter or star doubled on this coin, that I can see through the holder. The E Pluribus Unum looks sharp and clear. On a true Doubled edge this is a mess.
IMHO
A Doubled Edge Variety is Major variety and this would be better labeled a "Shifted Edge Lettering" coin with an "E" affixed to it.
This is NOT a registry coin by any stretch of the imagination.
PCGS has been contacted this afternoon of the potential problem and I wanted to alert anyone else that has purchased some of these recently graded Doubled Edge Varieties, that seem to be Shifted Edge Lettering instead.
This reminds me of the Satins hiding in Business strike holders.
Hopefully in the end the coins can all be verified and the registry sets corrected.
Tyler Obverse
Tyler Reverse
Edge Pic 1 (9 & P are Overlapped)
Edge Pic 2 (Check out the clear UNUM !!)
Edge Pic 3 (Stars with no doubling to be seen.)
Edge Pic 4 (Sorry - Blurry)...But stars no doubling)
This coin is still listed in the LCGS Database as a Doubled Edge Lettering coin.
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<< <i>Still waiting..... >>
Me too!
The name is LEE!
Come on guys (PCGS)....
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The name is LEE!
Gardnerville, NV
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Check it out --> Our eBay Auctions
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Check it out --> Our eBay Auctions
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I just received this from Don Willis (which I suspect other have as well):
"A few weeks ago we updated you on our ongoing review of coins that are recognized by PCGS and are included in the PCGS Registry program. One series that we mentioned was Presidential dollars. In particular we have been reviewing the status of the various edge varieties.
We are continuing to review the Presidential dollar varieties as well as varieties of Native American dollar. As part of our review we have been consulting with various industry experts as well as our own internal staff. We have not reached a final decision but we wanted to give you an update on where things stood.
We have decided that while this issue is being researched, and until we reach a final decision, PCGS will no longer recognize any of the various edges for Presidential or Native American Dollars as unique varieties. This includes Position A and Position B coins. No new varieties will be added to the Registry sets although all coins previously recognized as varieties will remain as part of the set composition. Coins submitted for grading under previously recognized varieties will not be graded as such pending our final decision.
We thank you for your support.
Best wishes,
Don Willis
President, PCGS"
Hmmmm. If PCGS decides to no longer attribute Edgel Lettering Varieties but still keep those that have already been attributed, it could be a windfall.
But on the other hand, if PCGS drops those varieties from the registry sets, it'll be a financial disaster for me.
I know that there has been talk of missing/weak/partial edge lettering coins being the result of low pressure in the edge lettering machine but isn't that still considered an error?
Grease Filled dies and weakly struck coins are errors so what's the difference?
From where I stand, regardless of whether PCGS drops the edge lettering varieties or not, the one TRUE error coin to come out of the Presidential Dollars is the Doubled Edge Lettering Adams Dollars. These are not wrap arounds but coins that were mistakenly passed twice through that confounded lettering machine. As such, they should still get the designation and be a part of the registries.
At least, thats what I think.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>This is turning into a mess.
I just received this from Don Willis (which I suspect other have as well):
"A few weeks ago we updated you on our ongoing review of coins that are recognized by PCGS and are included in the PCGS Registry program. One series that we mentioned was Presidential dollars. In particular we have been reviewing the status of the various edge varieties.
We are continuing to review the Presidential dollar varieties as well as varieties of Native American dollar. As part of our review we have been consulting with various industry experts as well as our own internal staff. We have not reached a final decision but we wanted to give you an update on where things stood.
We have decided that while this issue is being researched, and until we reach a final decision, PCGS will no longer recognize any of the various edges for Presidential or Native American Dollars as unique varieties. This includes Position A and Position B coins. No new varieties will be added to the Registry sets although all coins previously recognized as varieties will remain as part of the set composition. Coins submitted for grading under previously recognized varieties will not be graded as such pending our final decision.
We thank you for your support.
Best wishes,
Don Willis
President, PCGS"
Hmmmm. If PCGS decides to no longer attribute Edgel Lettering Varieties but still keep those that have already been attributed, it could be a windfall.
But on the other hand, if PCGS drops those varieties from the registry sets, it'll be a financial disaster for me.
I know that there has been talk of missing/weak/partial edge lettering coins being the result of low pressure in the edge lettering machine but isn't that still considered an error?
Grease Filled dies and weakly struck coins are errors so what's the difference?
From where I stand, regardless of whether PCGS drops the edge lettering varieties or not, the one TRUE error coin to come out of the Presidential Dollars is the Doubled Edge Lettering Adams Dollars. These are not wrap arounds but coins that were mistakenly passed twice through that confounded lettering machine. As such, they should still get the designation and be a part of the registries.
At least, thats what I think. >>
Lee,
Gardnerville, NV
=========================
Our Website -->Innovation, Native & Presidential Dollar Errors, Lincoln Cents and more
Check it out --> Our eBay Auctions
However, I still think overlapped letters are errors just because the problem is significant enough of a departure from what a normal striking would be.
I do admit the doubled up letters from being struck twice is more major, and the "misaligned" singly struck letters are more of a minor thing.
I am surprised at those complaining about potential numbers in registry sets.
One doesn't make a determination of "error worthy" based upon how it will affect collecting in registry sets.
PS In the interest of disclosure, I have a Tyler doubled/overlap coin graded and designated. It is the singly struck variety with misaligned letters. I was at first confused by the wording of the designation but rationalized it just as I interpret what they have written for the description now: the letters are doubled over each other such that they overlap.
You want a coin in my registry, make a cash offer.
The name is LEE!
I have just alerted PCGS of the potential problem.
I purchased a Tyler P Doubled Edge Overlapped Lettering Pos A MS66, with minimal observation shows no sign of Doubled edge lettering.
This is PCGS Variety # 413834
Under 10x power I can see the 9 and the P overlapped and a single star and the E overlapped and that's it!
There is not even one number, letter or star doubled on this coin, that I can see through the holder. The E Pluribus Unum looks sharp and clear. On a true Doubled edge this is a mess.
IMHO
A Doubled Edge Variety is Major variety and this would be better labeled a "Shifted Edge Lettering" coin with an "E" affixed to it.
This is NOT a registry coin by any stretch of the imagination.
PCGS has been contacted this afternoon of the potential problem and I wanted to alert anyone else that has purchased some of these recently graded Doubled Edge Varieties, that seem to be Shifted Edge Lettering instead.
This reminds me of the Satins hiding in Business strike holders.
Hopefully in the end the coins can all be verified and the registry sets corrected.
Tyler Obverse
Tyler Reverse
Edge Pic 1 (9 & P are Overlapped)
Edge Pic 2 (Check out the clear UNUM !!)
Edge Pic 3 (Stars with no doubling to be seen.)
Edge Pic 4 (Sorry - Blurry)...But stars no doubling)
This coin is still listed in the LCGS Database as a Doubled Edge Lettering coin.
Cert #15545767
The name is LEE!