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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2024 1:50PM

    I jumped on both gold and silver in a fairly significant way today.

    Nothing fundamental has changed.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    Explain the 2 million jobs created over the last year.

    25% of New Jobs Are In Government

    DOGE will hopefully fix this.

    And let's not forget the affect 11million+ illegal immigrants have on the US job market and on the economy. Keep in mind that those jobs pay low because the people holding them will accept low pay. After all, that is why they get hired.

    Can't wait till those 11 million job vacancies get filled by honest hard working 'Mericans at $20/hrs with benefits.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:
    I can tell you Coho, your job numbers are garbage and not true. Stop selling that turd. I am in the mix and it's not the wine and roses you think it is because of some number jumbo.

    All my neighbors, friends and family have jobs.

    Maybe it just stinks like turds where you are?

    There are 10% more help wanted positions listed on Indeed than pre-covid , Feb 2020.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IHLIDXUS

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's nice you have employed banker buddies, good for you and your friends. The rest of the world might disagree, and bumble midwest is not the regular market.

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @DrBuster said:
    I can tell you Coho, your job numbers are garbage and not true. Stop selling that turd. I am in the mix and it's not the wine and roses you think it is because of some number jumbo.

    All my neighbors, friends and family have jobs.

    Maybe it just stinks like turds where you are?

    There are 10% more help wanted positions listed on Indeed than pre-covid , Feb 2020.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IHLIDXUS

    Have you looked at the indeed jobs? How many $10/hr jobs do you consider a robust economy?

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:

    @cohodk said:

    Explain the 2 million jobs created over the last year.

    161 million folk are working. 96% of folk who want a job have one. The 4% that don't are most likely unhirable due to their overestimating their skills, outright lack of skills, or demonstrate poor character, morals or integrity.

    This is BS, sorry but no. My 30yrs of experience that CEOs tell me scares them and won't hire me because of age discrimination or them thinking I need a team while I'm hunting..... If you want to put up and shut up, give me a job.

    AI replacing you?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2024 2:27PM

    Has it replaced you? You don't seem to have a job with what you've talked about for a dozen years+

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2024 2:49PM

    @DrBuster said:
    Has it replaced you? You don't seem to have a job with what you've talked about for a dozen years+

    Seems I've struck a nerve.
    I'm sorry you are no longer employable.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2024 2:52PM

    @cohodk said:

    @DrBuster said:
    Has it replaced you? You don't seem to have a job with what you've talked about for a dozen years+

    I'm sorry you are no longer employable.

    Rich. You have consistently proven jackassery. Done with you.

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:

    Have you looked at the indeed jobs? How many $10/hr jobs do you consider a robust economy?

    again, respond or shut up

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,186 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DrBuster, I agree with you that those numbers are likely not what they appear to be. None have been for several years. Did a quick check on a linked web site... where you can actually get a pretty good idea of by whom those jobs were filled.

    If you are in the job market, I wish you well on your search.

    Meanwhile, don't feed trolls or those who seem to just want to be disruptive.

    ----- kj
  • taxmadtaxmad Posts: 980 ✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @DrBuster said:
    I can tell you Coho, your job numbers are garbage and not true. Stop selling that turd. I am in the mix and it's not the wine and roses you think it is because of some number jumbo.

    All my neighbors, friends and family have jobs.

    Maybe it just stinks like turds where you are?

    There are 10% more help wanted positions listed on Indeed than pre-covid , Feb 2020.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IHLIDXUS

    I wish there was a way to determine how many of those a ghost jobs.

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2024 8:24PM

    @taxmad said:

    @cohodk said:

    @DrBuster said:
    I can tell you Coho, your job numbers are garbage and not true. Stop selling that turd. I am in the mix and it's not the wine and roses you think it is because of some number jumbo.

    All my neighbors, friends and family have jobs.

    Maybe it just stinks like turds where you are?

    There are 10% more help wanted positions listed on Indeed than pre-covid , Feb 2020.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IHLIDXUS

    I wish there was a way to determine how many of those a ghost jobs.

    I've worked in consulting agency positions for 30 years either as a consultant or working with consulting teams in some form or fashion. I can tell everyone today that probably 50% of the jobs listed on linkedin/indeed/etc/etc are ghost jobs right now - posted for numbers but not hiring. But hey, what do I know about the market I'm in. I'm unemployable obviously after finishing a 13mo contract a couple weeks ago for a global company, pfft.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    How? With the push of a button. RGDS!

    You make it sound so easy. That being the case, how do you think that all this button-pushing will affect ordinary Americans - the ones who don't have government contracts or government employment?

    Just what is the cut off line that determines an "ordinary American". Always hear this term but haven't quite figured out it's determining point.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    Explain the 2 million jobs created over the last year.

    25% of New Jobs Are In Government

    DOGE will hopefully fix this.

    And let's not forget the affect 11million+ illegal immigrants have on the US job market and on the economy. Keep in mind that those jobs pay low because the people holding them will accept low pay. After all, that is why they get hired.

    Can't wait till those 11 million job vacancies get filled by honest hard working 'Mericans at $20/hrs with benefits.

    Not much left after taxes,partial health insurance cost,high rent, food. Okay I guess if one wishes to just survive or to be just an average, ordinary American.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    Explain the 2 million jobs created over the last year.

    25% of New Jobs Are In Government

    DOGE will hopefully fix this.

    And let's not forget the affect 11million+ illegal immigrants have on the US job market and on the economy. Keep in mind that those jobs pay low because the people holding them will accept low pay. After all, that is why they get hired.

    Can't wait till those 11 million job vacancies get filled by honest hard working 'Mericans at $20/hrs with benefits.

    Not much left after taxes,partial health insurance cost,high rent, food. Okay I guess if one wishes to just survive or to be just an average, ordinary American.

    20/hr is actually high right now with IT offshore garbage in play for end of year contract gigs. Had a recruiter send me a spot this week, for a masters degree, 5+yrs experience, advertised and pitched at $17/hr like it was a favor, smh. But numbers say things are rosey posey.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Job market be BOOMIN up here in The Commonwealth. I get asked if I am interested/offered a job in pretty much every hospital I walk into. The only folks not working here are because they choose not to. God bless The Commonwealth.

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2024 5:29AM

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    Explain the 2 million jobs created over the last year.

    25% of New Jobs Are In Government

    DOGE will hopefully fix this.

    And let's not forget the affect 11million+ illegal immigrants have on the US job market and on the economy. Keep in mind that those jobs pay low because the people holding them will accept low pay. After all, that is why they get hired.

    Can't wait till those 11 million job vacancies get filled by honest hard working 'Mericans at $20/hrs with benefits.

    Not much left after taxes,partial health insurance cost,high rent, food. Okay I guess if one wishes to just survive or to be just an average, ordinary American.

    Point here is that to replace those "illegals", companies will have to offer much higher wages and benefits. These higher costs would be passed to the consumer--YOU.

    If you wanted lower prices, you ain't gonna get them.

    Is gold $3000 too low?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2024 5:48AM

    @DrBuster said:

    @cohodk said:

    @DrBuster said:
    Has it replaced you? You don't seem to have a job with what you've talked about for a dozen years+

    I'm sorry you are no longer employable.

    Rich. You have consistently proven jackassery. Done with you.

    You, yourself, said you were unhirable. I simply expressed my concerns.

    You see, it's this disdain for the messenger that distorts from civil discourse and discussion of information that permeates all through society. It's a sad world we've created.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:
    DrBuster, I agree with you that those numbers are likely not what they appear to be. None have been for several years. Did a quick check on a linked web site... where you can actually get a pretty good idea of by whom those jobs were filled.

    You will accept an 800,000 reduction in jobs, yet refute a 2 million gain in jobs, even when the stats are from the same source?

    SMH.

    And this is why it's so difficult to converse.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Job market be BOOMIN up here in The Commonwealth. I get asked if I am interested/offered a job in pretty much every hospital I walk into. The only folks not working here are because they choose not to. God bless The Commonwealth.

    It's boomin in Derryb and taxmad backyards also. Anyplace that has a growing population, by definition is expanding. If you happen to live in area that is no longer desirable, then, yeah, it probably sucks. But this has been the case since before 1776.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • taxmadtaxmad Posts: 980 ✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @blitzdude said:
    Job market be BOOMIN up here in The Commonwealth. I get asked if I am interested/offered a job in pretty much every hospital I walk into. The only folks not working here are because they choose not to. God bless The Commonwealth.

    It's boomin in Derryb and taxmad backyards also. Anyplace that has a growing population, by definition is expanding. If you happen to live in area that is no longer desirable, then, yeah, it probably sucks. But this has been the case since before 1776.

    I wish my backyard was gloomin'. Damn Californians and Puget Sounders have ruined the valley...

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 8:22AM

    @cohodk said:
    Anyplace that has a growing population, by definition is expanding.

    Cities receiving the 11 million illegal immigrants are expanding. The legals there would disagree with you that it is a good thing. Europe is on fire because of such expansion.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @tincup said:
    DrBuster, I agree with you that those numbers are likely not what they appear to be. None have been for several years. Did a quick check on a linked web site... where you can actually get a pretty good idea of by whom those jobs were filled.

    You will accept an 800,000 reduction in jobs, yet refute a 2 million gain in jobs, even when the stats are from the same source?

    SMH.

    And this is why it's so difficult to converse.

    You don't converse, never had as long as I've been here for over 24 years. You high and mighty preach and don't elaborate and talk down to everyone when anyone tries to get you to express anything. Sorry, but those are your facts here.

  • @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @Clackamas1 said:
    I use it as a hedge against inflation.

    There are much better hedges against inflation. Gold should do OK but it's not the 1970's anymore.

    I think gold moves up even IF inflation stays low. It's a supply/demand issue and it's going higher.

    Lots higher. :)

    You make a good point—things are different now compared to the 1970s. Gold might not be the go-to inflation hedge it used to be, but it’s still a solid safe haven.

    I agree that supply and demand are driving it. With central banks buying more and folks looking for stability in uncertain times, I think gold’s got plenty of room to climb, no matter what inflation does. What do you think—are central banks the big reason behind the demand?

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:

    @cohodk said:

    @tincup said:
    DrBuster, I agree with you that those numbers are likely not what they appear to be. None have been for several years. Did a quick check on a linked web site... where you can actually get a pretty good idea of by whom those jobs were filled.

    You will accept an 800,000 reduction in jobs, yet refute a 2 million gain in jobs, even when the stats are from the same source?

    SMH.

    And this is why it's so difficult to converse.

    You don't converse, never had as long as I've been here for over 24 years. You high and mighty preach and don't elaborate and talk down to everyone when anyone tries to get you to express anything. Sorry, but those are your facts here.

    I give what I get. Them be da facts

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 5:53AM

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:
    Anyplace that has a growing population, by definition is expanding.

    Cities receiving the 11 million illegal immigrants by definition are expanding. The legals there would disagree with you that it is a good thing. Europe is on fire because of such expansion.

    Atlanta---booming
    Miami---booming
    Houston---booming
    Dallas---booming

    LA, NYC, Chi, DC---good for them.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 5:55AM

    @taxmad said:

    I wish my backyard was gloomin'. Damn Californians and Puget Sounders have ruined the valley...

    Booming.....

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,186 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ???? appears the thread is being diverted again. Nothing to do with the OP's intent to discuss gold?

    ----- kj
  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 6:37AM

    @Deathstar_69 said:

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @Clackamas1 said:
    I use it as a hedge against inflation.

    There are much better hedges against inflation. Gold should do OK but it's not the 1970's anymore.

    I think gold moves up even IF inflation stays low. It's a supply/demand issue and it's going higher.

    Lots higher. :)

    You make a good point—things are different now compared to the 1970s. Gold might not be the go-to inflation hedge it used to be, but it’s still a solid safe haven.

    I agree that supply and demand are driving it. With central banks buying more and folks looking for stability in uncertain times, I think gold’s got plenty of room to climb, no matter what inflation does. What do you think—are central banks the big reason behind the demand? Anyway, it's not hard to see that a few dozen tons is a significant demand figure.

    Nothing can compare to the central bank buying for demand. Not that this chart shows it explicitly (investment demand?), but it should be reflected here somehow.

    Maybe I am optimistic but I think the world will become more peaceful and less uncertain for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean that other countries won't or don't see the need to shore up their balance sheets or for BRICS-related reasons.

    The only thing that's hard to predict is interest rates. If rates go down, real estate will take off and the stock market will soar. Investors will bail out of PMs. If rates hold steady or go up, investors will probably accumulate gold.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Aren't P/E ratios already out of whack? Something's got to give, and when it does, physical gold & silver are sensible things to hold.

    Isn't the Fed already in a tight corner with rate control? Damned if they do, and damned if they don't?

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    Aren't P/E ratios already out of whack? Something's got to give, and when it does, physical gold & silver are sensible things to hold.

    Isn't the Fed already in a tight corner with rate control? Damned if they do, and damned if they don't?

    They are. And it doesn't mean all stocks. But generally, when interest rates are low, stocks grow. But you're right, I'm not sure if there are further rate cuts in our future or not. Lower them and inflation takes off again but you get a booming economy which Trump probably wants. Raise rates and you stifle the economy.

  • psuman08psuman08 Posts: 331 ✭✭✭✭

    To me higher P'E ratios are not necessarily an issue. High growth tech stocks cannot be valued by old methods.

    For example:
    "Nvidia once again posted a $2 billion beat to consensus revenue estimates in Q3, reporting YoY growth of nearly 94% to over $35 billion in revenue. Data center revenue more than doubled in the quarter to over $30 billion with Hopper driving the second largest data center beat in company history, speaking volumes as to the level of demand for its GPUs given that Blackwell will not initially ship until next quarter." -Beth Kindig

    Add in that the DGX B200 systems (Blackwell based) will be priced 40% higher and the next generation Reuben series is already on the horizon.

    So, can PMs be something to hold, sure. They will never provide the generational wealth opportunities that the stock market can. Are some stocks overpriced? Yes, but knowledge is power.

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 10:40AM

    So, can PMs be something to hold, sure. They will never provide the generational wealth opportunities that the stock market can. Are some stocks overpriced? Yes, but knowledge is power.

    PMs have their purpose. If there ever was a time to have a long US Dollar position now might be it. If Trump does some of the things he's discussed it will bode well for a strong dollar. Of course, a strong dollar has the double edged sword of making it harder to sell things overseas so you don't want it to be too strong. If these things are successful (and I'm not saying they will be, they are going to be challenging to do), it will make the dollar more attractive: a) BTC reserve b) More energy sales and development c) reduce deficit & deficit spending d) government efficiency. I'm optimistic but expectations for actual results are low, but if course can be slow or even reversed on the deficit the dollar will be stronger.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:
    ???? appears the thread is being diverted again. Nothing to do with the OP's intent to discuss gold?

    The economy is relevant to the price of gold. Sorry to let facts divert you.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lower them and inflation takes off again but you get a booming economy which Trump probably wants. Raise rates and you stifle the economy.

    Isnt that what we've had for the last 3 years?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 11:27AM

    @ProofCollection said:

    So, can PMs be something to hold, sure. They will never provide the generational wealth opportunities that the stock market can. Are some stocks overpriced? Yes, but knowledge is power.

    PMs have their purpose. If there ever was a time to have a long US Dollar position now might be it. If Trump does some of the things he's discussed it will bode well for a strong dollar.

    Has the dollar not already been "stronger"?

    The value of the dollar has more to do with relative global interest rates. Want a strong dollar, then raise rates, want a weaker dollar, then lower them. So what we were promised is a strong dollar, no inflation, low interest rates, balanced budget, low taxes and strong growth? That would be a feat indeed.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 12:10PM

    @cohodk said:

    @tincup said:
    ???? appears the thread is being diverted again. Nothing to do with the OP's intent to discuss gold?

    The economy is relevant to the price of gold. Sorry to let facts divert you.

    Perception of the economy is relevant to the price of gold. Besides, how does one correctly measure the economy? Before the money supply was prostituted, velocity of money (MV) was at the top of my list. Even with doubling the money supply since 2000, MV is almost half of what it was in 2000. MV tells me economy is in the toilet.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 12:10PM

    @cohodk said:

    @ProofCollection said:

    So, can PMs be something to hold, sure. They will never provide the generational wealth opportunities that the stock market can. Are some stocks overpriced? Yes, but knowledge is power.

    PMs have their purpose. If there ever was a time to have a long US Dollar position now might be it. If Trump does some of the things he's discussed it will bode well for a strong dollar.

    Has the dollar not already been "stronger"?

    The value of the dollar has more to do with relative global interest rates. Want a strong dollar, then raise rates, want a weaker dollar, then lower them. So what we were promised is a strong dollar, no inflation, low interest rates, balanced budget, low taxes and strong growth? That would be a feat indeed.

    How does one correctly measure the dollar in one's wallet? Dollar index does not tell us it purchasing power in the US. It only tells its ranking when compared to a select group of other currencies. A strong dollar to me is it's purchasing power where I shop

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 2:44PM

    @jmski52 said:
    Aren't P/E ratios already out of whack? Something's got to give, and when it does, physical gold & silver are sensible things to hold.

    Isn't the Fed already in a tight corner with rate control? Damned if they do, and damned if they don't?

    Perhaps you are the only one who thinks things are out of whack? The Fed is in a corner? Please. Wake up join the world. We be BOOMIN! RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Deathstar_69 said:
    I agree that supply and demand are driving it. With central banks buying more and folks looking for stability in uncertain times, I think gold’s got plenty of room to climb, no matter what inflation does. What do you think—are central banks the big reason behind the demand?

    Yup.....and SWFs and institutions also buying, too.

    The big thing is CB's are not net SELLERS not so much that they are buying (though it helps).

    Buy those Double Eagles before they go higher ! :)

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It seems a lot of major silver selling happens after hours, and overseas when you have a harder time trading SLV.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    How does one correctly measure the dollar in one's wallet? Dollar index does not tell us it purchasing power in the US. It only tells its ranking when compared to a select group of other currencies. A strong dollar to me is it's purchasing power where I shop

    So what you are saying is no currency is worthwhile unless it can buy the same amount of goods today that it could in 1875 ?? :D

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Perception of the economy is relevant to the price of gold. Besides, how does one correctly measure the economy? Before the money supply was prostituted, velocity of money (MV) was at the top of my list. Even with doubling the money supply since 2000, MV is almost half of what it was in 2000. MV tells me economy is in the toilet.

    No, actually our economy is one of the best-performing economies among the OECD.

    The fact that velocity is down is one reason WHY money supply was able to be increased. Velocity has been dropping because of structural changes in the demand for currency and high-powered reserves.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 9:50PM

    @ProofCollection said:
    They are. And it doesn't mean all stocks. But generally, when interest rates are low, stocks grow. But you're right, I'm not sure if there are further rate cuts in our future or not. Lower them and inflation takes off again but you get a booming economy which Trump probably wants. Raise rates and you stifle the economy.

    There's been a structural re-rating of the U.S. stock market, specifically the S&P 500 (which is cap-weighted). The Mag 7 and tech have much higher after-tax profit margins, have net cash not debt on their balance sheets, and are not cyclical. GM stock did NOTHING for 3 decades at its peak in the late-1960's. Nobody thinks MSFT or GOOG or NVDA will go that long without generating good returns.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @derryb said:
    How does one correctly measure the dollar in one's wallet? Dollar index does not tell us it purchasing power in the US. It only tells its ranking when compared to a select group of other currencies. A strong dollar to me is it's purchasing power where I shop

    So what you are saying is no currency is worthwhile unless it can buy the same amount of goods today that it could in 1875 ?? :D

    There's a difference between worthless and worth less.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @derryb said:
    Perception of the economy is relevant to the price of gold. Besides, how does one correctly measure the economy? Before the money supply was prostituted, velocity of money (MV) was at the top of my list. Even with doubling the money supply since 2000, MV is almost half of what it was in 2000. MV tells me economy is in the toilet.

    No, actually our economy is one of the best-performing economies among the OECD.

    The fact that velocity is down is one reason WHY money supply was able to be increased. Velocity has been dropping because of structural changes in the demand for currency and high-powered reserves.

    Velocity is down because money is changing hands much less. Spending is one measure of economic prosperity.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2024 9:19PM

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @ProofCollection said:
    They are. And it doesn't mean all stocks. But generally, when interest rates are low, stocks grow. But you're right, I'm not sure if there are further rate cuts in our future or not. Lower them and inflation takes off again but you get a booming economy which Trump probably wants. Raise rates and you stifle the economy.

    There's been a structural re-rating of the U.S. stock market, specifically the S&P 500 (which is cap-weighted). The Mag 7 and tech have much higher after-tax profit margins, have net cash not debt on their balance sheets, and are not cyclical. GM stock did NOTHING for 3 decades at its peak in the late-1960's. Nobody thinks MSFT or GOOG or NVDA will go that long.!

    Face it, the equity market is nothing more than a poker table for those with the money to play. Where would SP500 be without the infusion of massive amounts of dollars into the economy? No coincidence that the unprecedented money printing since 2008 drove most all stock indexes sky high.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Face it, the equity market is nothing more than a poker table for those with the money to play. Where would SP500 be without the infusion of massive amounts of dollars into the economy? No coincidence that the unprecedented money printing since 2008 drove most all stock indexes sky high.

    It would be at the same level, more or less.

    If you think MSFT's business model doesn't work under a different monetary regime..... :D

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