eBay Question regarding non/late-paying Buyer
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Scenario: Auction description states payment must be made within 5 days of auction close. It's been 5 days, I send invoice to buyer (I admit i don't remember how many times I have requested payment)...buyer sends message stating if I send one more invoice, he will neg me.
If I file a non-payment case, can buyer still leave a neg?
PS...If you are the person that bought from me and you are on here, just pay and everything is good
If I file a non-payment case, can buyer still leave a neg?
PS...If you are the person that bought from me and you are on here, just pay and everything is good
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If you request to cancel the transaction, and he accepts, then he can't neg you.
I think these are the only two options you have.
Good luck.
Patrick
~WalterSobchak
Remember, Ebay also sends invoices automatically now. So it's possible he's gotten 7 or 8 invoices now in the last 5 days?
Sure it would be nice to hear from these deadbeats but there's not much you can do about it. Sending invoice after invoice isn't the solution to keep from getting negged.
I'm a seller too and want nothing more than to be paid and paid fast but being a pain in the ass isn't gonna make it happen any faster.
Yes, he can neg you if you file a NPB (you can open after 4 days now) All he has to do is respond to the case and he can neg you.
How much was the amount of the auction?
<< <i>I wish that Ebay had a instant payment for auctions that are won from the buyer. I use it for BIN's and it is a great option and really avoids the haggle of trying to get someone to pay. >>
How in the world could you set that up? So Im not able to bid a dollar amount that I dont have matching in my paypal account on the chance that I MIGHT be high bidder? You simply cannot institute an "instant payment" option on a 7 day auction...its impossible.
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<< <i>I wish that Ebay had a instant payment for auctions that are won from the buyer. I use it for BIN's and it is a great option and really avoids the haggle of trying to get someone to pay. >>
How in the world could you set that up? So Im not able to bid a dollar amount that I dont have matching in my paypal account on the chance that I MIGHT be high bidder? You simply cannot institute an "instant payment" option on a 7 day auction...its impossible. >>
There are other sites that you must carry a balance to make a best offer, the funds are then tied up until offer is accepted or refused. Since PP and ebay are one in the same, it would be possible do institute similar policy. It would be the most retarded of policies and would be despised by most everyone, but it is not impossible.
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<< <i>I wish that Ebay had a instant payment for auctions that are won from the buyer. I use it for BIN's and it is a great option and really avoids the haggle of trying to get someone to pay. >>
How in the world could you set that up? So Im not able to bid a dollar amount that I dont have matching in my paypal account on the chance that I MIGHT be high bidder? You simply cannot institute an "instant payment" option on a 7 day auction...its impossible. >>
There are other sites that you must carry a balance to make a best offer, the funds are then tied up until offer is accepted or refused. Since PP and ebay are one in the same, it would be possible do institute similar policy. It would be the most retarded of policies and would be despised by most everyone, but it is not impossible. >>
So anyone wanting to use a CC would be out then? Or would they have to have Visa fax over a statement saying how much of their credit line is available? I never keep more than $40-$50 in my paypal account, but that doesnt stop me from placing bids in excess of $2,000 items that I want and can afford. Because I dont keep my life savings in a paypal account, I would be precluded from bidding in an auction?
Gecko,
I think it would be the opposite. If you have a cc linked to your paypal account, then paypal would just charge the cc if you didn't have the total funds in your paypal account.
Insta-Pay is still being worked on.
It will be voluntary.
Buyers will select the secondary payment methods;
default will be PP-balance.
Bill-Me-Later - PP's consumer finance arm - will be an
option for credit-worthy buyers.
The scheme will allow further employee reductions at EBAY.
Sometime in 2011/12 is now a good estimate of when
the scheme will be introduced.
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<< <i>I wish that Ebay had a instant payment for auctions that are won from the buyer. I use it for BIN's and it is a great option and really avoids the haggle of trying to get someone to pay. >>
How in the world could you set that up? So Im not able to bid a dollar amount that I dont have matching in my paypal account on the chance that I MIGHT be high bidder? You simply cannot institute an "instant payment" option on a 7 day auction...its impossible. >>
Sure you could and it would not be that hard. As soon as you win the bid your CC or Paypal gets charged. How hard is that? It stops all the crap with bidders who bid and don't pay. It would also make a bidder think twice about just clicking the submit button. It really isn't any different than buying something online.
<< <i>Insta-Pay is still being worked on.
It will be voluntary.
Buyers will select the secondary payment methods;
default will be PP-balance.
Bill-Me-Later - PP's consumer finance arm - will be an
option for credit-worthy buyers.
The scheme will allow further employee reductions at EBAY.
Sometime in 2011/12 is now a good estimate of when
the scheme will be introduced. >>
optional for the seller to set up automatic pay, or the bidder? If it is the bidder then the service is worthless IMO.
"...optional for the seller to set up automatic pay, or the bidder? If it is the bidder then the service is worthless IMO...."
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The buyer has to be the one to set it up; he is the party
authorizing the payment.
There will be start-up incentives to encourage buyers to
register.
Making the scheme mandatory would not be practical.
<< <i>"...optional for the seller to set up automatic pay, or the bidder? If it is the bidder then the service is worthless IMO...."
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The buyer has to be the one to set it up; he is the party
authorizing the payment.
There will be start-up incentives to encourage buyers to
register.
Making the scheme mandatory would not be practical. >>
eBay's incentives suck
<< <i>I wish ebay had a viable competitor >>
Grandslambids.com operated by Leon over on the Net54 board should be up later this month. There was a beta test a couple of months ago and it looks very promising. And VCP will be connected to it the same way we are with eBay.
<< <i>How would you react if the phone company contacted you every day asking you to pay your bill? It's annoying. Most people on ebay pay within a reasonable timeframe, so you should just give them the benefit of the doubt without pestering them. If it gets to 7 or 10 days, maybe send a reminder. The absolute worst that can happen is they don't pay and you get your fees back and have to relist. Now you're in a position where this guy who clearly intends to pay at some point will not only back out, butpotentially cost you business in all future dealings by leaving a neg. Not a good business strategy. In the end, does it really matter whether he pays in 3, 5 or 7 days? >>
How hard is it to pay right away? You buy something, you pay for it. I don't have a problem with someone bidding, winning and then the next day paying for it. The auction might end when the bidder is sleeping or at work. Something important might come up and the bidder does not have the time to pay, but it is too long to wait 5-7 days for a payment.
"...In the end, does it really matter whether he pays in 3, 5 or 7 days?..."
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It matters to EBAY.
They are the party sending repeated "reminders" to slow-pay "buyers."
Sellers are constantly being NEGd for pestering slow-payers, when in
fact EBAY is doing the pestering.
The 4-day NPB-rule forced EBAY to use this approach. The number of
NPB-claims filed by sellers would have gone to the moon, if EBAY was
not sending daily "reminders."
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Using BINs with Immediate Payment Required removes the slow-pay
problem from all transactions.
<< <i>"...In the end, does it really matter whether he pays in 3, 5 or 7 days?..."
Using BINs with Immediate Payment Required removes the slow-pay
problem from all transactions. >>
That is the main reason that I use BIN's, it saves time and the reminder haggling.
To you, maybe. But not to most of the civilized world that uses ebay. There was a time when it was common for people to wait 7 days to pay for something on ebay. Then it became 3. Now we have sellers getting their panties in a bunch if buyers don't pay within 24 hours. It's just stupid. Some people go on week long buying sprees and want to pay all at once. Some people put bids in and don't check their email for a few days. Many people have ebay low on their list of priorities, so if I'm a seller I give them the benefit of the doubt. I've been selling on ebay for about a dozen years and have sold over $250k in stuff as a side hobby (and spent more as a buyer). The % of people that don't pay is somewhere around 1-2% for me. So odds are you're going to get the money, it's just a matter of when. Why let yourself get consumed with something as petty as whether you get your money in 3 or 7 or 10 days?
Look at the situation the OP is in- he's now in danger of losing out on this deal and a possibly a little future business because of his impatience. If your life is effected by the money that much perhaps you shouldn't be spending your time dealing with baseball cards and might want to concentrate on a more reliable source of income.
<< <i>but it is too long to wait 5-7 days for a payment.
To you, maybe. But not to most of the civilized world that uses ebay. There was a time when it was common for people to wait 7 days to pay for something on ebay. Then it became 3. Now we have sellers getting their panties in a bunch if buyers don't pay within 24 hours. It's just stupid. Some people go on week long buying sprees and want to pay all at once. Some people put bids in and don't check their email for a few days. Many people have ebay low on their list of priorities, so if I'm a seller I give them the benefit of the doubt. I've been selling on ebay for about a dozen years and have sold over $250k in stuff as a side hobby (and spent more as a buyer). The % of people that don't pay is somewhere around 1-2% for me. So odds are you're going to get the money, it's just a matter of when. Why let yourself get consumed with something as petty as whether you get your money in 3 or 7 or 10 days?
Look at the situation the OP is in- he's now in danger of losing out on this deal and a possibly a little future business because of his impatience. If your life is effected by the money that much perhaps you shouldn't be spending your time dealing with baseball cards and might want to concentrate on a more reliable source of income. >>
I do not ever recall bidder/sellers having a 5-7 day window for payment. Back then you had to wait because of the bank checks or money orders to go through the mail. I have also sold on ebay since 1998 and outside of the length of the mail service I do not remember the 5-7 day window. Now with Paypal you do not have to go to the bank and then go to the Post Office. How hard is it to pay for something you bought right away? It is not petty wanting to get paid for something that you sold. Can you go to a card shop, yard sale or flea market where you have not done business with before and walk out and say I will be back in a week with your money.
<< <i>........I apologize for trying to inject sound reasoning and rational business policy into this discussion. >>
Why did you inject that Donnie?
To keep your stars up you need to ship fast, and if all the payments are there you can get everything done at once.
That matters more to me than how fast I get the money.
It's a trade-off. If you do immediate pay with BIN, you're getting your money faster, but you're also excluding many bidders who can't pay for a few days.
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<< <i>........I apologize for trying to inject sound reasoning and rational business policy into this discussion. >>
Why did you inject that Donnie? >>
Inject what Lefty?
"How hard is to pay right away?"
Well as a seller we all want our money right away, but as a buyer I want to see if a seller will combine shipping. For example I bought a card 5 days ago but the seller had 7 more cards listed that I wanted and were ending in 5 days from the time I won the first card. Well I ended up winning all 7 of the other cards today and am waiting on the seller to send an invoice with the combined shipping.
I feel if a buyer wants to wait a few extra days to see if they can win a few more items of mine, so be it.
<< <i>"How hard is to pay right away?"
Well as a seller we all want our money right away, but as a buyer I want to see if a seller will combine shipping. For example I bought a card 5 days ago but the seller had 7 more cards listed that I wanted and were ending in 5 days from the time I won the first card. Well I ended up winning all 7 of the other cards today and am waiting on the seller to send an invoice with the combined shipping.
I feel if a buyer wants to wait a few extra days to see if they can win a few more items of mine, so be it. >>
If you do the above (which is perfectly fine) at least send a message to the seller about your intentions. Just common courtesy.
Gecko,
I totally agree about sending a message. One quick message can save a bunch of head aches later on.
about bugging the buyer until it hits 15 days with no payment recvd.
Some people only get paid twice a month.
As a buyer, I pay within 7 days max. and usually much faster.
Ebay's rules and procedures are a giant pain in the a$$ for most
buyers/sellers.
Ebay is the one sending these constant reminders, and many buyers have no idea that it's
them and not the seller.
Steve
<< <i>I wish ebay had a viable competitor >>
That's the key!
<< <i>I don't even contemplate emailing a buyer until at least 10 days have passed.
Ebay is the one sending these constant reminders, and many buyers have no idea that it's
them and not the seller.
Steve >>
Wow, I wasn't expecting my post to generate this amount of discussion. Unfortunately, I buy more than I sell (12 years on ebay, but I haven't sold for at least 4 years), so I wasn't aware that eBay also sent reminders out. When my auctions ended, I figured I would send the buyers the initial invoice. I then sent another reminder after the 5 days per my auction description. I don't sell for a living, just would've been convenient if I got paid within the 5 day period so I could mail everything out within a week or 2. Whatever the case, it was a learning experience and 1 non-payment (we agreed to cancel the auction) out of all my auctions is a pretty good average. Thanks for everyone's input.
<< <i>Scenario: Auction description states payment must be made within 5 days of auction close. It's been 5 days, I send invoice to buyer (I admit i don't remember how many times I have requested payment)...buyer sends message stating if I send one more invoice, he will neg me. >>
<< <i>When my auctions ended, I figured I would send the buyers the initial invoice. I then sent another reminder after the 5 days per my auction description. >>
Not exactly sure why you couldn't remember that it was only twice???
No auction, no buyer ID... whatever.
<< <i> I wasn't expecting my post to generate this amount of discussion >>
lol welcome to the CU forums.
Steve
Here is the note in my automatic invoice.
Thank you for your bid, here is your invoice with total due. I give feed back and ship cards within 24 hours of payments. Any questions feel free to e-mail anytime. Thanks again and have a happy day. Jon PS: Under Ebay's new Seller " Unpaid Item Assistant" program a non-payment claim will be filed by EBAY automatically if payment is not received in four (4) days.
It then gives them another 4 days to pay after that before the item is closed and fees returned.
Have not had an issue yet.
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<< <i>Scenario: Auction description states payment must be made within 5 days of auction close. It's been 5 days, I send invoice to buyer (I admit i don't remember how many times I have requested payment)...buyer sends message stating if I send one more invoice, he will neg me. >>
<< <i>When my auctions ended, I figured I would send the buyers the initial invoice. I then sent another reminder after the 5 days per my auction description. >>
Not exactly sure why you couldn't remember that it was only twice???
No auction, no buyer ID... whatever. >>
I had about 40 auctions running. I guess I'll just stick to buying, it's easier for me to pay right after the auction.
<< <i>lol welcome to the CU forums. >>
lol...so true, you'd figure having been registered for over 9 years here, I'd learn.