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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On eBay there is no such thing as a no return policy,,,,,, if you pay via PayPal.

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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Anybody who would bid in an auction with a "no returns" policy who expected to be able to use PayPal to force a return anyway is somebody who should not be allowed to continue bidding on eBay. When are people going to grow up and be responsible for their decisions? Never, it seems.

    If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy.
  • So would you bid? If you disregard the "paypal you can always return"
    Many buy and sell transactions. Let's talk!
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One should never do that---NEVER. That is akin to bidding sight unseen (viewing photos doesn't count).
    When there is a 'no returns' policy, you have to presume that the coin has flaws that aren't revealed by the
    photo.
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  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Anybody who would bid in an auction with a "no returns" policy who expected to be able to use PayPal to force a return anyway is somebody who should not be allowed to continue bidding on eBay. When are people going to grow up and be responsible for their decisions? Never, it seems.

    If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy. >>



    LOL, i agree but.....

    A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. There is a reason for the no return, the seller does not want to have to try to sell the same piece of junk 2 times.
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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. >>

    That is a completely reasonable and responsible position to take. As opposed to bidding and then expecting to return a coin if you don't like it when the seller says "no returns".
  • deviousdevious Posts: 1,690
    my favorite are the sellers who say "oops, i forgot to change the return policy to there not being one before listing the item!" happened to me with a recent purchase of a cc morgan that was cleaned despite the listing saying bu++. so i returned it noting that i'd like to take advantage of the 7 day return policy... but 99 out of 100 times, i'm satisfied. image
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭
    every seller out there has a return policy, meaning you can RETURN anything you want to them using the U.S. Postal Service



    .......they just might not have a REFUND policy image

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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    if you might want to return it
    then don't bid
    LCoopie = Les
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,325 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>every seller out there has a return policy, meaning you can RETURN anything you want to them using the U.S. Postal Service



    .......they just might not have a REFUND policy image >>



    Or they can just write refuse on your package and throw it back into a mailbox.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. >>

    That is a completely reasonable and responsible position to take. As opposed to bidding and then expecting to return a coin if you don't like it when the seller says "no returns". >>



    Are you saying that eBay is not an approval service?image

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    On THAT coin - ABSOLUTELY!!!
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are you saying that eBay is not an approval service?image >>

    It's not supposed to be, but I know that fact doesn't stop the multitudes out there with the grade school mentality of "I can make you take it back even though you say you don't accept returns". Too many people have an over-inflated sense of entitlement and not nearly enough integrity to accept responsibility for their actions.

    If you want a return option and the auction doesn't offer one, then you shouldn't bid. Seems easy enough, doesn't it?
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not offering a return such as what this seller did somewhat limits the overall exposure of this Flying Eagle cent on eBay (many sellers are not aware that offering a return and quickly stating the terms in the drop down box places the auction in a better position via eBay's system). Limited exposure can and does have a chance to affect the overall closing price. Thus, knowing if I pay via Paypal and, as stated above, there really is a return process honored via Paypal, I'll happily bid.

    peacockcoins



  • << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. >>

    That is a completely reasonable and responsible position to take. As opposed to bidding and then expecting to return a coin if you don't like it when the seller says "no returns". >>



    Are you saying that eBay is not an approval service?image >>



    Shorting EBAY stock will one day look almost as good as buying it looks in the late 90s. Between the way they screw sellers on returns and fees they are going to destroy the very market they created.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>if you might want to return it
    then don't bid >>



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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    I don't understand the reason behind the question. The seller has very good feeback and supplied pretty clear pics. You seem to be expecting to want to return the coin, in which case you shouldn't waste the seller's time.
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Anybody who would bid in an auction with a "no returns" policy who expected to be able to use PayPal to force a return anyway is somebody who should not be allowed to continue bidding on eBay. When are people going to grow up and be responsible for their decisions? Never, it seems.

    If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy. >>

    I agree, subject to the qualifier that the coin delivered is the one pictured.image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On eBay there is no such thing as a no return policy,,,,,, if you pay via PayPal.

    Agreed, these days, even if it's slabbed!


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    would you bid with no return?!??!?!

    Never.
  • Thanks for the replies.

    I don't want to bid and return, I would happily buy and keep the coin. I am just asking because as many of us know sometimes the coin in the images is night and day different fro
    the one received.

    The point about his feedback is valid, and when I looked at his other closed auctions he has not offered returns on any of them as well. I sent the seller a question regarding how representative the picture is of the actual coin in hand. Haven't heard a response yet, and that may be telling in itself.

    And for the record, I agree with the posts relating to people forcing a return if the seller doesn't offer one. If you are a bidder, you should abide by the auction listing. We are all grown ups here and responsible for ourr decisions.
    Many buy and sell transactions. Let's talk!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem, though, is that the representation of a raw coin is very subjective and the seller's opinion may be different from the buyer's and unless the seller has a decent scanner, it is difficult to accurately determine the condition and appearance of a coin based on an internet picture. For those reasons, a return policy should be mandatory for all raw coins sold on ebay. How would you feel as a seller if the coin you held in hand looked much worse than the photo or the description?


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The problem, though, is that the representation of a raw coin is very subjective and the seller's opinion may be different from the buyer's and unless the seller has a decent scanner, it is difficult to accurately determine the condition and appearance of a coin based on an internet picture. For those reasons, a return policy should be mandatory for all raw coins sold on ebay. How would you feel as a seller if the coin you held in hand looked much worse than the photo or the description? >>

    A seller should have the right to conduct sales without allowing returns (for reasons other than authenticity, the wrong coin being shipped, etc.). That will usually result in fewer and/or lower bids, due to understandable caution on the part of prospective bidders. But that should still be the seller's choice.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy. >>

    I agree, subject to the qualifier that the coin delivered is the one pictured.image >>

    Absolutely. There's no excuse for not sending the coin pictured in the listing. Should a buyer get a coin different than the one shown, that is a perfect example of "Significantly Not As Described", and there is no question the buyer should be able to return the coin, even if the seller says "No returns".

    Unfortunately, way too many bidders take "Significantly Not As Described" to mean the same thing as "Not As Nice As I'd Hoped" and insist on the right to send the coin back, even if the seller doesn't offer to accept returns. Of course, those very same buyers will happily post here (with pictures, no less) about their latest auction win when the coin turns out to be "Significantly Not As Described But Better Than I'd Hoped".
  • I like the coin. Even without a return policy, I would be willing to bid on it.
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    I bought a raw 1877 IHC from this person once. Came back VG8 just as described.
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Return Policy is a requirement. This is no different from asking a dealer to see something in the case...looking at it close and then saying "no thanks". If you are returning something, contact the seller 5 minutes after you open the package. Usually you can make the determination in five seconds.

    Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few.
  • I looked at the obverse and can't find any trace of a seated half design, what am I missing?
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Return Policy is a requirement. This is no different from asking a dealer to see something in the case...looking at it close and then saying "no thanks". If you are returning something, contact the seller 5 minutes after you open the package. Usually you can make the determination in five seconds.

    Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few. >>

    Returning an auction is not the same as returning something sold via other means.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Return Policy is a requirement. >>

    Sure it is. And "No returns" is a valid policy. From eBay:

    "Sellers are required to specify a return policy when listing an item on eBay. This is the case even if the seller's policy is to not accept returns."
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Return Policy is a requirement. >>

    Sure it is. And "No returns" is a valid policy. From eBay:

    "Sellers are required to specify a return policy when listing an item on eBay. This is the case even if the seller's policy is to not accept returns."


    The truth though is that paypal will require a seller to accept a return even if a "no return policy" is stated.

    I'd agree that in an ideal world that sellers should be able to conduct business on the internet without a return policy IF the items are ACCURATELY described. The truth, though, is that a large number of sellers will exaggerate (to their benefit, of course) the condition and appearance of a coin, and without the benefit of being able to hold the coin in hand, it is ridiculous to saddle the buyer with a coin that is "less than described" upon receipt. That is basically the cost of doing business on ebay. If a seller does not agree with that reality, there are other venues in which to market his wares.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The truth, though, is that a large number of sellers will exaggerate (to their benefit, of course) the condition and appearance of a coin, >>

    Of course, buyers *never* exxagerate when they claim the coin they received is not as described, right?

    << <i>and without the benefit of being able to hold the coin in hand, it is ridiculous to saddle the buyer with a coin that is "less than described" upon receipt. >>

    So don't bid in auctions where the seller doesn't offer the option of returns. How hard is that?
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I wanted a flyer, I'd notify Rick Snow.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The truth, though, is that a large number of sellers will exaggerate (to their benefit, of course) the condition and appearance of a coin, >>

    Of course, buyers *never* exxagerate when they claim the coin they received is not as described, right?

    << and without the benefit of being able to hold the coin in hand, it is ridiculous to saddle the buyer with a coin that is "less than described" upon receipt. >>

    So don't bid in auctions where the seller doesn't offer the option of returns. How hard is that?


    Of course buyers exaggerate...but if you're going to sell on ebay, you better be ready to realize the way things are set up, and let's face it, the buyers have all the power now.

    I'm not suggesting that buyers are always in the right....but in a case where you get a coin that was jazzed up in photoshop and it arrives looking nothing like any experienced collector would expect, it's certainly within reason to expect a refund, regardless of any stated return policy. Any rational person who doesn't agree with that isn't an honest collector, simple as that.

    Like I said, there are other venues in which to sell coins other than ebay, but if you're going to sell on ebay, the sooner you realize that the buyers have all the leverage the better.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Of course buyers exaggerate...but if you're going to sell on ebay, you better be ready to realize the way things are set up, and let's face it, the buyers have all the power now. >>

    You mean like... not bidding in auctions where the seller doesn't offer a return privilege? Nahhh- that'd be way too easy.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Of course buyers exaggerate...but if you're going to sell on ebay, you better be ready to realize the way things are set up, and let's face it, the buyers have all the power now. >>

    You mean like... not bidding in auctions where the seller doesn't offer a return privilege? Nahhh- that'd be way too easy.


    LOL, but you're assuming by that statement that such a "privilege" exists, when, in fact, as any seller will tell you if he hasn't already found out for himself, it does not.

    Like it or not, that is the landscape of present-day ebay.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>LOL, but you're assuming by that statement that such a "privilege" exists, when, in fact, as any seller will tell you if he hasn't already found out for himself, it does not. >>

    Apparently, that's not a fact. Copied from another thread:

    "I had a guy want to return $10k worth of gold. Paypal decided it was a case of "buyer's remorse" and sided with me. I won the claim."
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


    << <i>One should never do that---NEVER. That is akin to bidding sight unseen (viewing photos doesn't count).
    When there is a 'no returns' policy, you have to presume that the coin has flaws that aren't revealed by the
    photo. >>




    So bid the coin as sight unseen then--------------BigE
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>

    << <i>LOL, but you're assuming by that statement that such a "privilege" exists, when, in fact, as any seller will tell you if he hasn't already found out for himself, it does not. >>

    Apparently, that's not a fact. Copied from another thread:

    "I had a guy want to return $10k worth of gold. Paypal decided it was a case of "buyer's remorse" and sided with me. I won the claim." >>




    But did Jerry's "buyer" file a SNAD claim? Like it or not potatohead, a buyer can return ANYTHING he/she wants to return, no matter what the seller's policy on returns is, so long as they use those 4 magic letters...S-N-A-D. End of story. Is it right? No. Is it ethical? Of course not. Is it reality? You betcha!
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Return Policy is a requirement. This is no different from asking a dealer to see something in the case...looking at it close and then saying "no thanks". If you are returning something, contact the seller 5 minutes after you open the package. Usually you can make the determination in five seconds.

    Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few. >>

    Returning an auction is not the same as returning something sold via other means.

    -------------------------
    Mark Feld




    !!!!!!!Mr. Feld, then you do not feel ebay auctions should permit returns?????

    Im sure that opinion will win a lot of fans. (from other dealers)
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< Return Policy is a requirement. This is no different from asking a dealer to see something in the case...looking at it close and then saying "no thanks". If you are returning something, contact the seller 5 minutes after you open the package. Usually you can make the determination in five seconds.

    Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few. >>

    Returning an auction is not the same as returning something sold via other means.

    -------------------------
    Mark Feld




    !!!!!!!Mr. Feld, then you do not feel ebay auctions should permit returns?????

    Im sure that opinion will win a lot of fans. >>

    As long as Ebay allows for it under its rules, I feel that a seller should be able to conduct no-return auctions (with the exceptions of counterfeit coins, the wrong coin being shipped, obviously/badly manipulated images, etc.). Understandably, such listings generally receive fewer and lower bids, so the seller pays a price.

    If a bidder is not comfortable bidding under such circumstances - and I know I usually wouldn't be - there is a very simple solution. He shouldn't bid. But, absent unusual circumstances, it's not fair or ethical to agree to the terms of sale and later attempt to circumvent them through dishonest means. Please note that I said "dishonest means", as in lying about the reason for an attempted return.

    Edited to add: An auction is different from a non auction sale, in that, in most cases, a return is much more likely to unfairly penalize a seller when he later attempts to sell the same item.
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What you say is true Sir.

    But regarding the 90% of 'normal' ebay auctions, with a stated return policy....I feel it is the buyers decision to keep, or return, any coin (item) purchased if it does not meet with the buyers approval. As long as seller and buyer both 'play by the rules', returns should be accepted without question.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What you say is true Sir.

    But regarding the 90% of 'normal' ebay auctions, with a stated return policy....I feel it is the buyers decision to keep, or return, any coin (item) purchased if it does not meet with the buyers approval. As long as seller and buyer both 'play by the rules', returns should be accepted without question. >>

    Absolutely.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no return bid on it, NO. even with pay puke it tells me its trouble image jmho image

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