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FE Cent - would you bid with no return?!??!?!
morgantype
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Would you bid on this if there was no return policy?
FE CENT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190390186831&Category=11942&_trkparms=algo=LVI&its=I&otn=2
Let me know!
FE CENT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190390186831&Category=11942&_trkparms=algo=LVI&its=I&otn=2
Let me know!
Many buy and sell transactions. Let's talk!
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GrandAm
If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy.
When there is a 'no returns' policy, you have to presume that the coin has flaws that aren't revealed by the
photo.
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<< <i>Anybody who would bid in an auction with a "no returns" policy who expected to be able to use PayPal to force a return anyway is somebody who should not be allowed to continue bidding on eBay. When are people going to grow up and be responsible for their decisions? Never, it seems.
If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy. >>
LOL, i agree but.....
A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. There is a reason for the no return, the seller does not want to have to try to sell the same piece of junk 2 times.
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<< <i>A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. >>
That is a completely reasonable and responsible position to take. As opposed to bidding and then expecting to return a coin if you don't like it when the seller says "no returns".
.......they just might not have a REFUND policy
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then don't bid
<< <i>every seller out there has a return policy, meaning you can RETURN anything you want to them using the U.S. Postal Service
.......they just might not have a REFUND policy
Or they can just write refuse on your package and throw it back into a mailbox.
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<< <i>A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. >>
That is a completely reasonable and responsible position to take. As opposed to bidding and then expecting to return a coin if you don't like it when the seller says "no returns". >>
Are you saying that eBay is not an approval service?
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On THAT coin - ABSOLUTELY!!!
<< <i>Are you saying that eBay is not an approval service?
It's not supposed to be, but I know that fact doesn't stop the multitudes out there with the grade school mentality of "I can make you take it back even though you say you don't accept returns". Too many people have an over-inflated sense of entitlement and not nearly enough integrity to accept responsibility for their actions.
If you want a return option and the auction doesn't offer one, then you shouldn't bid. Seems easy enough, doesn't it?
peacockcoins
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<< <i>A coin seller without a return option, is one to avoid. >>
That is a completely reasonable and responsible position to take. As opposed to bidding and then expecting to return a coin if you don't like it when the seller says "no returns". >>
Are you saying that eBay is not an approval service?
Shorting EBAY stock will one day look almost as good as buying it looks in the late 90s. Between the way they screw sellers on returns and fees they are going to destroy the very market they created.
<< <i>if you might want to return it
then don't bid >>
<< <i>Anybody who would bid in an auction with a "no returns" policy who expected to be able to use PayPal to force a return anyway is somebody who should not be allowed to continue bidding on eBay. When are people going to grow up and be responsible for their decisions? Never, it seems.
If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy. >>
I agree, subject to the qualifier that the coin delivered is the one pictured.
Agreed, these days, even if it's slabbed!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Never.
I don't want to bid and return, I would happily buy and keep the coin. I am just asking because as many of us know sometimes the coin in the images is night and day different fro
the one received.
The point about his feedback is valid, and when I looked at his other closed auctions he has not offered returns on any of them as well. I sent the seller a question regarding how representative the picture is of the actual coin in hand. Haven't heard a response yet, and that may be telling in itself.
And for the record, I agree with the posts relating to people forcing a return if the seller doesn't offer one. If you are a bidder, you should abide by the auction listing. We are all grown ups here and responsible for ourr decisions.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>The problem, though, is that the representation of a raw coin is very subjective and the seller's opinion may be different from the buyer's and unless the seller has a decent scanner, it is difficult to accurately determine the condition and appearance of a coin based on an internet picture. For those reasons, a return policy should be mandatory for all raw coins sold on ebay. How would you feel as a seller if the coin you held in hand looked much worse than the photo or the description? >>
A seller should have the right to conduct sales without allowing returns (for reasons other than authenticity, the wrong coin being shipped, etc.). That will usually result in fewer and/or lower bids, due to understandable caution on the part of prospective bidders. But that should still be the seller's choice.
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<< <i>If you want the option to return a coin, you should only bid in auctions that include a return policy. >>
I agree, subject to the qualifier that the coin delivered is the one pictured.
Absolutely. There's no excuse for not sending the coin pictured in the listing. Should a buyer get a coin different than the one shown, that is a perfect example of "Significantly Not As Described", and there is no question the buyer should be able to return the coin, even if the seller says "No returns".
Unfortunately, way too many bidders take "Significantly Not As Described" to mean the same thing as "Not As Nice As I'd Hoped" and insist on the right to send the coin back, even if the seller doesn't offer to accept returns. Of course, those very same buyers will happily post here (with pictures, no less) about their latest auction win when the coin turns out to be "Significantly Not As Described But Better Than I'd Hoped".
Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few.
<< <i>Return Policy is a requirement. This is no different from asking a dealer to see something in the case...looking at it close and then saying "no thanks". If you are returning something, contact the seller 5 minutes after you open the package. Usually you can make the determination in five seconds.
Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few. >>
Returning an auction is not the same as returning something sold via other means.
<< <i>Return Policy is a requirement. >>
Sure it is. And "No returns" is a valid policy. From eBay:
"Sellers are required to specify a return policy when listing an item on eBay. This is the case even if the seller's policy is to not accept returns."
Sure it is. And "No returns" is a valid policy. From eBay:
"Sellers are required to specify a return policy when listing an item on eBay. This is the case even if the seller's policy is to not accept returns."
The truth though is that paypal will require a seller to accept a return even if a "no return policy" is stated.
I'd agree that in an ideal world that sellers should be able to conduct business on the internet without a return policy IF the items are ACCURATELY described. The truth, though, is that a large number of sellers will exaggerate (to their benefit, of course) the condition and appearance of a coin, and without the benefit of being able to hold the coin in hand, it is ridiculous to saddle the buyer with a coin that is "less than described" upon receipt. That is basically the cost of doing business on ebay. If a seller does not agree with that reality, there are other venues in which to market his wares.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>The truth, though, is that a large number of sellers will exaggerate (to their benefit, of course) the condition and appearance of a coin, >>
Of course, buyers *never* exxagerate when they claim the coin they received is not as described, right?
<< <i>and without the benefit of being able to hold the coin in hand, it is ridiculous to saddle the buyer with a coin that is "less than described" upon receipt. >>
So don't bid in auctions where the seller doesn't offer the option of returns. How hard is that?
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Of course, buyers *never* exxagerate when they claim the coin they received is not as described, right?
<< and without the benefit of being able to hold the coin in hand, it is ridiculous to saddle the buyer with a coin that is "less than described" upon receipt. >>
So don't bid in auctions where the seller doesn't offer the option of returns. How hard is that?
Of course buyers exaggerate...but if you're going to sell on ebay, you better be ready to realize the way things are set up, and let's face it, the buyers have all the power now.
I'm not suggesting that buyers are always in the right....but in a case where you get a coin that was jazzed up in photoshop and it arrives looking nothing like any experienced collector would expect, it's certainly within reason to expect a refund, regardless of any stated return policy. Any rational person who doesn't agree with that isn't an honest collector, simple as that.
Like I said, there are other venues in which to sell coins other than ebay, but if you're going to sell on ebay, the sooner you realize that the buyers have all the leverage the better.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Of course buyers exaggerate...but if you're going to sell on ebay, you better be ready to realize the way things are set up, and let's face it, the buyers have all the power now. >>
You mean like... not bidding in auctions where the seller doesn't offer a return privilege? Nahhh- that'd be way too easy.
You mean like... not bidding in auctions where the seller doesn't offer a return privilege? Nahhh- that'd be way too easy.
LOL, but you're assuming by that statement that such a "privilege" exists, when, in fact, as any seller will tell you if he hasn't already found out for himself, it does not.
Like it or not, that is the landscape of present-day ebay.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>LOL, but you're assuming by that statement that such a "privilege" exists, when, in fact, as any seller will tell you if he hasn't already found out for himself, it does not. >>
Apparently, that's not a fact. Copied from another thread:
"I had a guy want to return $10k worth of gold. Paypal decided it was a case of "buyer's remorse" and sided with me. I won the claim."
<< <i>One should never do that---NEVER. That is akin to bidding sight unseen (viewing photos doesn't count).
When there is a 'no returns' policy, you have to presume that the coin has flaws that aren't revealed by the
photo. >>
So bid the coin as sight unseen then--------------BigE
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<< <i>LOL, but you're assuming by that statement that such a "privilege" exists, when, in fact, as any seller will tell you if he hasn't already found out for himself, it does not. >>
Apparently, that's not a fact. Copied from another thread:
"I had a guy want to return $10k worth of gold. Paypal decided it was a case of "buyer's remorse" and sided with me. I won the claim." >>
But did Jerry's "buyer" file a SNAD claim? Like it or not potatohead, a buyer can return ANYTHING he/she wants to return, no matter what the seller's policy on returns is, so long as they use those 4 magic letters...S-N-A-D. End of story. Is it right? No. Is it ethical? Of course not. Is it reality? You betcha!
Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few. >>
Returning an auction is not the same as returning something sold via other means.
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Mark Feld
!!!!!!!Mr. Feld, then you do not feel ebay auctions should permit returns?????
Im sure that opinion will win a lot of fans. (from other dealers)
<< <i><< Return Policy is a requirement. This is no different from asking a dealer to see something in the case...looking at it close and then saying "no thanks". If you are returning something, contact the seller 5 minutes after you open the package. Usually you can make the determination in five seconds.
Ive returned quite a few. ...quite a few. >>
Returning an auction is not the same as returning something sold via other means.
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Mark Feld
!!!!!!!Mr. Feld, then you do not feel ebay auctions should permit returns?????
Im sure that opinion will win a lot of fans. >>
As long as Ebay allows for it under its rules, I feel that a seller should be able to conduct no-return auctions (with the exceptions of counterfeit coins, the wrong coin being shipped, obviously/badly manipulated images, etc.). Understandably, such listings generally receive fewer and lower bids, so the seller pays a price.
If a bidder is not comfortable bidding under such circumstances - and I know I usually wouldn't be - there is a very simple solution. He shouldn't bid. But, absent unusual circumstances, it's not fair or ethical to agree to the terms of sale and later attempt to circumvent them through dishonest means. Please note that I said "dishonest means", as in lying about the reason for an attempted return.
Edited to add: An auction is different from a non auction sale, in that, in most cases, a return is much more likely to unfairly penalize a seller when he later attempts to sell the same item.
But regarding the 90% of 'normal' ebay auctions, with a stated return policy....I feel it is the buyers decision to keep, or return, any coin (item) purchased if it does not meet with the buyers approval. As long as seller and buyer both 'play by the rules', returns should be accepted without question.
<< <i>What you say is true Sir.
But regarding the 90% of 'normal' ebay auctions, with a stated return policy....I feel it is the buyers decision to keep, or return, any coin (item) purchased if it does not meet with the buyers approval. As long as seller and buyer both 'play by the rules', returns should be accepted without question. >>
Absolutely.