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1960toppsguy1960toppsguy Posts: 1,127 ✭✭
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I simply requested a scan of the back of a 1949 Bowman Duke Snider PSA 6 Graded Rookie Card and got this reply from the seller . . .

Hello. I could add a scan of the back to the listing. However, please only ask me to take the time to do that if you are genuinely interested in the card at the price listed. I could actually give you a little deal on the card, but it would be close to the price listed. If you really are interested in buying the card at near the price listed, then let me know and I will take the time to put a scan of the back in the listing. Thanks.
David.

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Would I have taken the time to make the request if I had not had an interest? I just don't get it!

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    I agree that the seller is being rude but I can't judge because I always get frustrated whenever people ask to see backs of my $10 cards but if it is $100+ I always put a scan of the back anyway. Even though he is being a jerk you were able to find out that you can get a lower price at least image
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  • ZixxZixx Posts: 228 ✭✭
    It's not rude, it's just a polite way of telling you that the seller is lazy and the 2-3 minutes it would take to get a picture/scan added to the auction is something he should had done in the first place, but again, was too lazy.

    Maybe the card is in his safety deposit box at the bank, or somehow else not within his grasp. Others assume that since it's a graded card that the back isn't necessary - it's a PSA 6 back too.

    At least he mentions that he can knock of a few dollars though. Personally, if I wanted that card, I'd continue a conversation and try to work out a deal.
  • ZixxZixx Posts: 228 ✭✭


    << <i>I agree that the seller is being rude but I can't judge because I always get frustrated whenever people ask to see backs of my $10 cards but if it is $100+ I always put a scan of the back anyway. Even though he is being a jerk you were able to find out that you can get a lower price at least image >>




    Seriously, that's being a jerk? You're way to sensitive.

    And yes, a card over $100 deserves a scan of the back in the auction.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely not a response that makes you want to rush to buy from him, but it isn't rude. I cant think of the right word, but rude isnt it.

    I know you have gotten better lately, but I can probably show you 25+ responses by you to members right here on this board that are 50X more rude than that seller's response to you.
  • SportsCardCollectorSportsCardCollector Posts: 320 ✭✭
    It sounds like he misunderstood you and thought that you wanted him to actually add a picture of the back of the card to the listing itself. That is a little bit of a hassle and an added cost, so he probably wanted to make sure you were a real potential buyer.

    I would send him another message and just ask that he email it to you. If you get a bad reaction to that, then I'd say he is responding badly.
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  • 1960toppsguy1960toppsguy Posts: 1,127 ✭✭
    OK, lets associate this to everyday life, if you were to walk in a card shop and ask to see the $800.00 card that was in an enclosed case to examine the back and got the same response, would you walk out? Of course you would, what happened to service?
  • metsfanmetsfan Posts: 834


    << <i>It sounds like he misunderstood you and thought that you wanted him to actually add a picture of the back of the card to the listing itself. That is a little bit of a hassle and an added cost, so he probably wanted to make sure you were a real potential buyer.

    I would send him another message and just ask that he email it to you. If you get a bad reaction to that, then I'd say he is responding badly. >>



    Looking at his response, you may be right. He does say I could add a back scan to the listing, not I can send you a scan. He should have added a scan to the listing initially, but SportsCardCollector's advice sounds best.
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  • toc1000toc1000 Posts: 95
    No evidence of rudeness in his response. He's polite, friendly (offers a discount), and lazy.
  • bobsbbcardsbobsbbcards Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭
    Rude? No. Lazy? Most definitely.

    That said, it probably took him more time to write his response to your inquiry than it would have to scan the back of the card and send it to you. It's also not like the scan he sends to you can't be sent to the next person who requests one.
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  • ZixxZixx Posts: 228 ✭✭


    << <i>OK, lets associate this to everyday life, if you were to walk in a card shop and ask to see the $800.00 card that was in an enclosed case to examine the back and got the same response, would you walk out? Of course you would, what happened to service? >>




    Sorry, that's not the same. It's a simple thing to take a card from a display case to show to a customer. No one is going to have that response to that scenario.

    I have no idea what the seller has to do in order to scan or take a pic of the card. Maybe he doesn't have a camera or has a relative take pictures for him. Maybe it is a hassle for him to find the card in a safe, scan, crop, add to the listing, etc. Still lazy, of course, as he is trying to SELL things. But you can't really compare a 5 second situation to a 5 minute situation. Heck, maybe the guy is in a wheelchair and getting around takes time.
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    Great....another lets whine about something minor thread.


    I am not sure how that can be called rude. Perhaps uninviting or not customer friendly.

    "Would I have taken the time to make the request if I had not had an interest?"

    People do it all the time. List a few hundred items on eBay for a couple months and you will likely never start a thread like this again.

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  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not discussed in all this is his actual question. Obviously you have an interest. That's not his question. Do you have an interest that is close to his listed price? If so, say yes I do and he'll give you the scan. If no, then it's not worth his time and quit bugging him something that won't go anywhere. He will not sell much lower so he's cutting to the chase. Rude, I wouldn't say so. Very direct and straightforward and trying to cut to the chase. Some people just like looking at scans and he's only interested in dealing with people who would are ready to discuss buying. He's asking you to put some skin in the game. It's negotiation. Borderline rude but more just aggressive salesmanship. If I do this will you do that. If this happens can I expect x result? That's how salespeople close deals.
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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    I fail to see how a discussion on whether or not this is 'rude' will change anything at all.
  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 833 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I fail to see how a discussion on whether or not this is 'rude' will change anything at all. >>



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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    The instant seller should have shown a back-scan in his listing.


    His response is not "rude," it is just direct and likely springs from
    having been aggravated by non-serious "buyer" requests for more
    pictures/information. SIMPLY posting the requested picture would
    have been the correct response.

    ........

    There are LOTS of lonely folks that think EBAY is a "social network,"
    or an interactive video-game. They wanna talk to sellers. Sellers who
    don't like that concept need only make sure that their listings answer
    EVERY possible question. Redundant queries can then simply be ignored.

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    We have no real way to know exactly what he would have thought about
    modern email.

    But, I view email as neither cool nor hot. It is cold and conveyed by a
    machine that makes it even more frosty. The recipient will always see
    the "rude" in the message, and often overlook/misinterpret the warm
    and the friendly. It is much closer to a telegram than to a conversation,
    or even a letter.

    Message boards suffer, to a lesser degree, from the same infirmity.

    ...........






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  • scashaggyscashaggy Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭
    He doesn't seem to be motivated to sell the card. How hard is it to add a scan???
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  • pclpadspclpads Posts: 457 ✭✭
    Rude? Probably not. But dumb as a seller? Definitely! Sounds like he's not that committed to selling it. If a car dealer would only let a customer test drive a car if they were serious about buying it, he wouldn't sell too many. Besides, it's not like '49B Sniders in mid-grade are that scarce. I'd go down the list to the next one and save your self the hassle of dealing with this clown.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    a few points and opinions:

    1. I'm not gonna bid on an $800 card from any seller who doesn't already have a scan of the back of the card posted on the auction - the seller should have automatically done this and shouldn't have to be asked. Case closed on that.

    2. In all fairness to the seller who should have already posted the scan, there are a lot of pain in the arse "potential" buyers on ebay, I liken them to certain personality types who always shop for certain things with no actual intention to buy. If a potential buyer asks me specific, pertinent questions relating to the auction, I will respond with additional info or more pics...if the potential buyer says something general such as "can you provide more pics", an email he is probably sending to hundreds of other auctions with no intention to buy, then I don't bother replying.
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    In response to the person that mentioned car sales, I work at a car dealership. Do you have any idea of how many people come in to test drive with no intention of buying a car? And yes, salespeople do ask questions, and when the customer says "Oh, I'm a year away from buying" or... "Oh, I am buying from another dealer in my hometown, but I didn't have anything else to do today, so I thought I'd go test drive" the salespeople will almost always politely advise them that they work on commission and that they should go test drive when they are ready to buy and from whom they plan to do business with. I've sold cards and comics and gotten a lot of requests for scans. When it is a legitimate request, I am more than happy to accommodate. When someone asked me for a scan of every page of a comic I started at a 99 cent auction, I politely told them to pound sand. In this case, I think the seller may be getting more requests than he bargained for. Either way, for $800 a back scan is not an unreasonable request and the seller should be happy to provide it, assuming you are a legitimate buyer.

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  • BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033
    Rude or not, its not a smart response from a seller that wants 4 stars. I dont like the stars setup but as a seller, i sure dont want buyers dinging my stars.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Rude or not, its not a smart response from a seller that wants 4 stars. I dont like the stars setup but as a seller, i sure dont want buyers dinging my stars. >>



    I don't know any seller that wants 4 stars.
  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    I don't have a problem with his reply. He said hello and thanks, and offered to make you a deal.

    On the additional scan, I empathize somewhat with the seller.

    There have been several times I've sent additional scans of the back of a graded card, or scans of additional cards from a set. Not once has the requesting person actually bid on my item.

    Some browsers just like to cause extra work for the seller (I'm not saying you're one). But this guy might just be fed up with those people.

  • BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033
    lol correction....i meant 5 stars image
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭✭
    I've bought from him before. His stuff is priced high and he isn't willing to budge much at all.
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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭✭
    Of the last six PSA 6 Snider rookies to sell, the highest went for $646. Your seller is asking $815. I'd walk away...if you have the patience to do so.
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  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭
    Not my card but I say go for the Sgc 80. It is nicer.

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  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    am I misssing something?

    Definitely not missing an "s"

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  • BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033


    << <i>Not my card but I say go for the Sgc 80. It is nicer.

    aconte >>



    agreed
  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think he is being rude, just lazy...I asked him about a scan of the back and got the same exact reply, word for word.

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  • WalterSobchakWalterSobchak Posts: 2,096


    << <i>Definitely not a response that makes you want to rush to buy from him, but it isn't rude. I cant think of the right word, but rude isnt it. >>



    The quote above is a pretty good summary of my reaction to the original post.
    The seller probably could have better used the energy he spent being snippy with you to simply take a couple minutes and post a back scan to the auction.
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  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    If your willing to drop $800 for a PSA 6 Snider rookie, come up with $100 more and call Steve Hart (BBCE) and buy his PSA 7 rookie. Its dead centered and damn nice.
  • proofer2proofer2 Posts: 186 ✭✭
    It doesn't matter what we think. If you find the response rude, don't buy and move on.
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    I would simply call it poor customer service.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    More obnoxious than rude IMHO.

    I just might go and ask him too.

    Then when I get the snippy reply I'll go ballistic.

    Hey, it's just the way I roll.


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  • wallst32wallst32 Posts: 513 ✭✭
    Not rude at all....

    The question is are you serious about buying the card near the seller's price if the back looks good to you? He was up front about what it would take. If not then you would be wasting his time.
  • thehallmarkthehallmark Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If your willing to drop $800 for a PSA 6 Snider rookie, come up with $100 more and call Steve Hart (BBCE) and buy his PSA 7 rookie. Its dead centered and damn nice. >>



    Holy cow that one is VERY nice!!

    Having no sense of the VCP average for this card, I'm a little bit shocked that a crisp PSA 7 Duke Snider RC can be had for $900. Are his cards undervalued or something?
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    It seems this seller was asked by many customers for a back scan of the various cards he ever had on ebay. I think its almost standard to have front and back scans of a graded card above $100. He should have had those scans.

    His response was not rude per se, but maybe a bit condescending since he makes you feel at fault for asking this question. It is a very LEGIT question from a hobby standpoint.

    I can understand the seller's position about being somewhat firm on price, but he needs to properly display what he is selling. He sounds like a guy that is tired of buyers that have no intention of buying but make a seller go through all that work.

    So, Nam812, is "condescending" what you were thinking of as the best way to describe the seller's response?
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭


    << <i>OK, lets associate this to everyday life, if you were to walk in a card shop and ask to see the $800.00 card that was in an enclosed case to examine the back and got the same response, would you walk out? Of course you would, what happened to service? >>




    The card in the cardshop is right there in front of you both. The Snider may very well be across town in a SDB. Theres your difference.
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    I think it is very rude to request a scan of the back. You should just pay the $800 and get the card with paper missing or badly stained on the back.image
  • buymycardsbuymycards Posts: 125 ✭✭
    It doesn't cost anything to add a back scan. All of my auctions have front and back scans in the description area. Totally free, and I can add as many as I like.

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