Opinions wanted for proposed new set - NFL HOF signed rc set

gregm13

All,

Reese and I have been discussing for several months about creating a new registry set which would only include signed rookie cards of NFL HOFers. We both collect the HOF auto set and our main frustration is the handful of HOFers that are currently impossible (i.e. they didn't have cards made of them while they were alive and card companies haven't released signed cut auto'd cards yet). We would therefore like to create a set that is theoretically possible to finish, although extremely difficult. With the increased interest in signed rookie cards (there are several popular threads including Mike Navarro's that are solely dedicated to signed rookie cards) we think this will be a very popular and competitive set.

Reese and I have gone through every hall of famer and placed them into possible and impossible buckets. Possible means that the HOFer (players, coaches and administrators) had cards made of them while they were alive and are therefore possible. Impossible - well, you get the picture.

For the possible HOFers, we chose the first card made and tried to follow the rookie cards chosen for the HOF rc set. With that being said, we do want to allow a little flexibility and allow collectors the option to add several cards for certain HOFers (e.g. 1952 Bowman Small/Large). We are also open to suggestions whether to add even more flexibility such as adding either the 1961 Topps or Fleer cards or 1948 Leaf or Bowman cards.

Finally, we excluded any signed team cards or signed cut auto'd cards. We at first debated whether the rookie card of coaches/administrators should be the first team card made when the coach coached his first team or when the administrator first took office. For instance, we thought of using the 1964 Topps Bills team card of Ralph Wilson Jr. as his rookie card...however we quickly found that we would be adding far too many nearly impossible if not impossible "rookie cards" to the set. For instance, Walt Kiesling is theoretically possible on a 1956 Steelers card....however I seriously doubt that one exists. The same goes for Tim Mara who is theoretically possible on a 1956 Giants card. As for signed cut auto'd cards, we felt that we'd run into a problem with low print runs. For instance, the 2001 UD Rookie F/X cut auto'd card could be considered Jimmy Conzelman's rookie card...however it had a print run of 9. In the end, we decided to eliminate all cut auto'd cards.

I'm going to post 2 lists - the possible list and impossible list. Please look over and provide any feedback that you have. Thanks for your time.

Rgs,

Greg M.

gregm13

Possible - 238 total

Herb Adderley 1964 Philadelphia
Troy Aikman 1989 Score
Marcus Allen 1983 Topps
Lance Alworth 1963 fleer
Doug Atkins 1954 Bowman
Morris "Red" Badgro 1985 Fleer Immortal Rolls
Lem Barney 1970 Topps
Cliff Battles 1935 National Chicle
Sammy Baugh 1948 Leaf
Chuck Bednarik 1948 Leaf
Bobby Bell 1964 Topps
Raymond Berry 1957 Topps
Elvin Bethea 1970 Topps
Fred Biletnikoff 1965 Topps
George Blanda 1954 Bowman
Mel Blount 1975 Topps
Terry Bradshaw 1971 Topps
Bob Brown 1966 Philadelphia
Jim Brown 1958 Topps
Paul E. Brown 1952 Bowman
Roosevelt Brown 1956 Topps
Willie Brown 1965 Topps
Buck Buchanan 1964 Topps
Nick Buoniconti 1963 fleer
Dick Butkus 1966 Philadelphia
Earl Campbell 1979 Topps
Tony Canadeo 1950 Bowman
Harry Carson 1977 Topps
Dave Casper 1977 Topps
Jack Christiansen 1952 Bowman
Dutch Clark 1935 National Chicle
George Connor 1948 Leaf
Lou Creekmur 1951 Bowman
Larry Csonka 1969 Topps
Al Davis 1990 Pro Set
Willie Davis 1964 Philadelphia
Len Dawson 1963 fleer
Fred Dean 1978 Topps
Joe DeLamielleure 1974 Topps
Eric Dickerson 1984 Topps
Dan Dierdorf 1973 Topps
Mike Ditka 1962 Topps
Art Donovan 1952 Bowman
Tony Dorsett 1978 Topps
Bill Dudley 1948 Leaf
Turk Edwards 1935 National Chicle
Carl Eller 1965 Philadelphia
John Elway 1984 Topps
Weeb Ewbank 1985 Fleer Immortal Rolls
Tom Fears 1950 Bowman
Jim Finks 1950 Bowman
Ray Flaherty 1977 Touchdown
Len Ford 1955 Bowman
Dan Fortmann 1974 / 1975 Fleer IR
Dan Fouts 1975 Topps
Benny Friedman 1955 Topps AA
Frank Gatski 1955 Bowman
Bill George 1956 Topps
Joe Gibbs 1989 Pro Set
Frank Gifford 1952 Bowman
Sid Gillman 1960 Fleer
Otto Graham 1950 Bowman
Harold "Red" Grange 1933 Sports Kings
Bud Grant 1994 Vikings Police
Darrell Green 1984 Topps
Joe Greene 1971 Topps
Forrest Gregg 1960 Topps
Bob Griese 1968 Topps
Russ Grimm 1984 Topps
Lou Groza 1950 Bowman
George Halas 1952 Bowman
Jack Ham 1973 Topps
Dan Hampton 1981 Topps
John Hannah 1974 Topps
Franco Harris 1973 Topps
Bob Hayes 1966 Philadelphia
Mike Haynes 1977 Topps
Ed Healey 1974 / 1975 Fleer IR
Mel Hein 1955 Topps AA
Ted Hendricks 1972 Topps
Gene Hickerson 1966 Philadelphia
Clarke Hinkle 1935 National Chicle
Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch 1950 Bowman
Paul Hornung 1957 Topps
Ken Houston 1971 Topps
Cal Hubbard 1974 / 1975 Fleer IR
Sam Huff 1959 Topps
Lamar Hunt 1974 / 1975 Fleer IR
Don Hutson 1955 Topps AA
Michael Irvin 1989 Score
Rickey Jackson 1984 Topps
Jimmy Johnson 1964 Philadelphia
John Henry Johnson 1955 Bowman
Charlie Joiner 1972 Topps
David "Deacon" Jones 1963 Topps
Stan Jones 1956 Topps
Henry Jordan 1961 Topps
Sonny Jurgensen 1958 Topps
Jim Kelly 1984 Topps USFL
Leroy Kelly 1967 Philadelphia
Frank "Bruiser" Kinard 1955 Topps AA
Paul Krause 1965 Philadelphia
Jack Lambert 1976 Topps
Tom Landry 1951 Bowman
Richard "Night Train" Lane 1957 Topps
Jim Langer 1973 Topps
Willie Lanier 1971 Topps
Steve Largent 1977 Topps
Yale Lary 1952 Bowman
Dante Lavelli 1950 Bowman
Bobby Layne 1948 Leaf
Dick LeBeau 1965 Philadelphia
Alphonse "Tuffy" Leemans 1977 Touchdown
Marv Levy 1989 Pro Set
Bob Lilly 1963 Topps
Floyd Little 1968 Topps
Larry Little 1972 Topps
James Lofton 1979 Topps
Howie Long 1984 Topps
Ronnie Lott 1982 Topps
Sid Luckman 1948 Leaf
Tom Mack 1970 Topps
John Mackey 1964 Philadelphia
John Madden 2006 Topps
Wellington Mara 1997 Topps
Gino Marchetti 1952 Bowman
Dan Marino 1984 Topps
Ollie Matson 1952 Bowman
Bruce Matthews 1989 Score
Don Maynard 1961 Fleer
George McAfee 1948 Leaf
Mike McCormack 1955 Bowman
Randall McDaniel 1989 Pro Set
Tommy McDonald 1957 Topps
Hugh McEhenny 1952 Bowman
John "Blood" McNally 1974 / 1975 Fleer IR
Mike Michalske 1974 / 1975 Fleer IR
Wayne Millner 1952 Bowman
Bobby Mitchell 1959 Topps
Ron Mix 1960 Fleer
Art Monk 1981 Topps
Joe Montana 1981 Topps
Warren Moon 1985 Topps
Lenny Moore 1956 Topps
Marion Motley 1950 Bowman
Mike Munchak 1985 Topps
Anthony Munoz 1982 Topps
George Musso 1977 Touchdown
Bronko Nagurski 1935 National Chicle
Joe Namath 1965 Topps
Ernie Nevers 1955 Topps AA
Ozzie Newsome 1979 Topps
Ray Nitschke 1963 Topps
Chuck Noll 1989 Pro Set
Leo Nomellini 1948 Leaf
Merlin Olsen 1964 Philadelphia
Jim Otto 1961 Fleer
Steve Owen 1952 Bowman
Alan Page 1970 Topps
Clarence "Ace" Parker 1955 Topps AA
Jim Parker 1959 Topps
Walter Payton 1976 Topps
Joe Perry 1950 Bowman
Pete Pihos 1948 Bowman
John Randle 1991 Pro Set
Mel Renfro 1965 Philadelphia
Jerry Rice 1986 Topps
John Riggins 1972 Topps
Jim Ringo 1955 Bowman
Andy Robustelli 1952 Bowman
Art Rooney 1974 / 1975 Fleer IR
Dan Rooney 2000 Topps
Pete Rozelle 1985 Fleer Immortal Rolls
Barry Sanders 1989 Score
Charlie Sanders 1971 Topps
Gale Sayers 1966 Philadelphia
Joe Schmidt 1956 Topps
Tex Schramm 1991 Pro Set / Score / ENOR
Lee Roy Selmon 1977 Topps
Billy Shaw 1962 Fleer
Art Shell 1973 Topps
Don Shula 1980 Dolphins Police
O.J. Simpson 1970 Topps
Mike Singletary 1983 Topps
Jackie Slater 1984 Topps
Bruce Smith 1986 Topps
Emmitt Smith 1990 Score Supplemental
Jackie Smith 1967 Philadelphia
Bob St. Clair 1955 Bowman
John Stallworth 1978 Topps
Bart Starr 1957 Topps
Roger Staubach 1972 Topps
Ernie Stautner 1951 Bowman
Jan Stenerud 1970 Topps
Dwight Stephenson 1984 Topps
Hank Stram 1960 Fleer
Ken Strong 1935 National Chicle
Joe Stydahar 1952 Bowman
Lynn Swann 1975 Topps
Fran Tarkenton 1962 Topps
Charley Taylor 1965 Philadelphia
Jim Taylor 1959 Topps
Lawrence Taylor 1982 Topps
Derrick Thomas 1989 Score
Emmitt Thomas 1972 Topps
Thurman Thomas 1989 Score
Jim Thorpe 1933 Sports Kings
Andre Tippett 1984 Topps
Y.A. Tittle 1950 Bowman
Charley Trippi 1948 Leaf
Emlen Tunnell 1951 Bowman
Clyde "Bulldog" Turner 1948 Leaf
Johnny Unitas 1957 Topps
Gene Upshaw 1972 Topps
Norm Van Brocklin 1951 Bowman
Steve Van Buren 1948 Leaf
Doak Walker 1948 Leaf
Bill Walsh 1989 Pro Set
Paul Warfield 1965 Philadelphia
Bob Waterfield 1948 Leaf
Mike Webster 1977 Topps
Roger Wehrli 1971 Topps
Arnie Weinmeister 1951 Bowman
Randy White 1976 Topps
Reggie White 1984 Topps USFL
Dave Wilcox 1967 Philadelphia
Bill Willis 1977 Touchdown
Larry Wilson 1963 Topps
Ralph Wilson Jr. 2009 Topps
Kellen Winslow 1981 Topps
Alex Wojciechowicz 1948 Bowman
Willie Wood 1963 Topps
Rod Woodson 1989 Score
Rayfield Wright 1972 Topps
Ron Yary 1972 Topps
Steve Young 1984 Topps USFL
Jack Youngblood 1973 Topps
Gary Zimmerman 1987 Topps

gregm13

Impossible 22

George Allen
Bert Bell
Charles Bidwell
Joe Carr
Guy Chamberlin
Jimmy Conzelman
Paddy Driscoll
Joe Guyon
Wilbur Pete Henry
Arnie Herber
Bill Hewitt
Walt Kiesling
Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi
Link Lyman
Tim Mara
George Preston Marshall
Earle "Greasy" Neale
Fritz Pollard
Hugh "Shorty" Ray
Dan Reeves
George Trafton

Reese3333

Thanks for posting the list Greg! Like Greg said, we've spent months collecting information and have finally agreed upon the cards listed above. I am in strong support for allowing flexiblity when it comes to the 48 Leaf and Bowmans, the 52 Bowman Large/Small, and the 61 Topps and Fleer. In order to keep this consistant, as we start seeing players inducted in the late 80's and into the 90's we are going to have multiple options since multiple companies released cards during these years.

I am curious to hear what everyone thinks so we can get a discussion going about the set.


Reese

VitoCo1972

When you get to the era of certified autos, this will be very interesting. out of curiosity, how do you guys feel about that? I honestly prefer a hand signed card that's authenticated (usually basic Topps/UD) to a sticker auto Topps/UD certified piece of garbage. curious what others think.

Davemri

Just a couple comments.....

I would love to get started on this set, but boy, what an undertaking. I don't think I've ever seen any of the 35 Chicle cards autographed.


1. Bud Grant has a 1954 Blue Ribbon RC card. I don't know if you would be able to find one autograped, but would be a very nice find.
2. Cal Hubbard has a 1955 Bowman Baseball umpire card. I know it's baseball, but It would be 20 years earlier than the IR card. Along the same lines, Earle "Greasy" Neale has many "baseball" cards produced from the 1920's. (Probably impossible autographed also)
3. 1964 Philadelphia Lombardi/Shula? I would definatly include cards of coaches that have their picture on the card. But again, may be impossible to find.
4. I'm pretty sure John Madden had a card or 2 from the early 1990's?

five7teen

Greg/Reese, I think this is a great set idea, and a great list. One possible suggestion may be to split the set into one for just HOF players, and one for non-players. I believe there are many collectors who collect only players, and perhaps those people would be turned off by needing to complete a set with coaches/administrators, etc. Again, just a thought. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for this set...

Reese3333

Hi Dave,

I'm pretty sure Bud Grant still signs for a fee through the mail. I've not seen the 54 Blue Ribbon card before but that one would need to be changed. I just looked on ebay apparently he also has a 1956 Parkhurst card that I've never seen before.

We discussed allowing baseball cards for Neale and Hubbard, but decided we wanted to keep in strictly football issues.

I was up in the air about the 64 Philadelphia Team Play cards with Shula and Lombardi. We couldn't really decide if those issues fell into the "team card" category or not. Shula would be easy to add since he is still signing, but Lombardi would be extremely tough. I know I'd be open to hearing what everything thinks about these two and if we need to look at making a change we should.

I know Madden has the 1994 Ted Williams Coach card which would need to be changed. Has anyone seen anything issued before that?

We also had discussions on the 1974 and 1975 Fleer Immortal Roll cards. Greg was for allowing either year and I was for only allowing the 74s. Does anyone have any suggestions on these?

colts900

The only thing Im wondering if it is even possible. Has anybody seen signed Chicles of the HOFers? Who knows if they even signed them.

JHS5120

John Madden has a 1989 CBS Television Announcers Card that is near impossible to find but I am pretty sure that it would be unanimously considered his "rookie."

Davemri

THe Grant is a pretty tough card. Here is a stolen scan.

jradke4

Here are some other options...though really tough and $$$$ options

Hutson '35 Wheaties All Americans of 1934
Nevers '35 Wheaties Fancy Frames
Herber '37 Wheaties Big Ten Football
Nagurski '37 Wheaties Big Ten Football

1932 Packers Walkers Cleaners
Herber
Hubbard
Lambeau
McNally
Michalske

I am sure there are others out there. So what would you do if someone had one of the above auto'd. Not allow it to be added to the set? I know you are really trying to get a rated set so to speak and avoid the low numbered cards. But as was pointed out how many Chicle do you think are out there signed. Is it any different than the number of some of the low (by that I mean in the high teens to 20's) cuts out there?

JHS5120

I stole this pic. Here is John Madden's 1989 rookie:

Davemri

There are "a ton" of Pre-rookie cards that could be used, but I agree with keeping it parallel to the HOF RC set. In fact, Here is my Football HOF "Pre-Rookie" site (of players only.....I don't collect coaches or administrators) Link

I, honestly, probably wouldn't participate a set like this, because it is impossible to finish. But, I would definatly like to see the cards you guys are able to pick up. .....................Anyone have a TTM address for Bronko?


Dave

jradke4

<< <i>There are "a ton" of Pre-rookie cards that could be used, but I agree with keeping it parallel to the HOF RC set. In fact, Here is my Football HOF "Pre-Rookie" site (of players only.....I don't collect coaches or administrators) Link

I, honestly, probably wouldn't participate a set like this, because it is impossible to finish. But, I would definatly like to see the cards you guys are able to pick up. .....................Anyone have a TTM address for Bronko?


Dave >>



well i think dave gets to the heart of the point. how many people are going to really go after this set? you already have some in the set that are going to be tough to ever find. mainly the chicles and the sports kings. with all the hubbub over the holr grail of football cards the Bronko Nagurski 1935 National Chicle, has anyone seen an auto'd copy? now i havent checked the pop report but i would be interested to know.

i just wonder how many people other than you and reese are really going to be going after this in full force?

gregm13

<< <i>

<< <i>There are "a ton" of Pre-rookie cards that could be used, but I agree with keeping it parallel to the HOF RC set. In fact, Here is my Football HOF "Pre-Rookie" site (of players only.....I don't collect coaches or administrators) Link

I, honestly, probably wouldn't participate a set like this, because it is impossible to finish. But, I would definatly like to see the cards you guys are able to pick up. .....................Anyone have a TTM address for Bronko?


Dave >>



well i think dave gets to the heart of the point. how many people are going to really go after this set? you already have some in the set that are going to be tough to ever find. mainly the chicles and the sports kings. with all the hubbub over the holr grail of football cards the Bronko Nagurski 1935 National Chicle, has anyone seen an auto'd copy? now i havent checked the pop report but i would be interested to know.

i just wonder how many people other than you and reese are really going to be going after this in full force? >>



Jay,

The same can be said about your Favre ticket collection...right (or the Favre master set, or the Marino master set, ect...)? How many people are going to chase all 200+ tickets of when he played. I agree that this set would be EXTREMELY difficult to complete, however if we keep the cards mainstream then here is al least the possibility it could be completed.

I know the Chicle cards would be near impossible to find. Another possibility would be to allow either 35 Chicles or 55 Topps AA for those players who have both cards.

I'm sure that signed Chicles exist... I know someone who has a signed Jim Thorpe 33 Sports King. Granted, there are likely less than 20 in existence, however such cards do exist but may takes years to find.

I would be very against any pre-rookie cards for players with mainstream rookies (e.g. Hutson 1930's oddball card instead of his 55 Topps AA card). Once again, I want this set to appeal to a wider audience which would require that more than a handful of autographed examples exist of most cards in the set.

JMHO.

Rgs,

Greg M.

gregm13

I've updated the possible list with the following:

1. Changed John Madden to 1994 Ted Williams
2. Changed 1952 Bowman to include Small or Large
3. For HOFers with both 1948 Leaf/Bowman and 1961 Topps/Fleer, I included both cards as eligible
4. Changed 1974/1975 Fleer Immortall Roll to 1974 only


Herb Adderley 1964 Philadelphia
Troy Aikman 1989 Score
Marcus Allen 1983 Topps
Lance Alworth 1963 fleer
Doug Atkins 1954 Bowman
Morris "Red" Badgro 1985 Fleer Immortal Rolls
Lem Barney 1970 Topps
Cliff Battles 1935 National Chicle
Sammy Baugh 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Chuck Bednarik 1948 Leaf
Bobby Bell 1964 Topps
Raymond Berry 1957 Topps
Elvin Bethea 1970 Topps
Fred Biletnikoff 1965 Topps
George Blanda 1954 Bowman
Mel Blount 1975 Topps
Terry Bradshaw 1971 Topps
Bob Brown 1966 Philadelphia
Jim Brown 1958 Topps
Paul E. Brown 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Roosevelt Brown 1956 Topps
Willie Brown 1965 Topps
Buck Buchanan 1964 Topps
Nick Buoniconti 1963 fleer
Dick Butkus 1966 Philadelphia
Earl Campbell 1979 Topps
Tony Canadeo 1950 Bowman
Harry Carson 1977 Topps
Dave Casper 1977 Topps
Jack Christiansen 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Dutch Clark 1935 National Chicle
George Connor 1948 Leaf
Lou Creekmur 1951 Bowman
Larry Csonka 1969 Topps
Al Davis 1990 Pro Set
Willie Davis 1964 Philadelphia
Len Dawson 1963 fleer
Fred Dean 1978 Topps
Joe DeLamielleure 1974 Topps
Eric Dickerson 1984 Topps
Dan Dierdorf 1973 Topps
Mike Ditka 1962 Topps
Art Donovan 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Tony Dorsett 1978 Topps
Bill Dudley 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Turk Edwards 1935 National Chicle
Carl Eller 1965 Philadelphia
John Elway 1984 Topps
Weeb Ewbank 1985 Fleer Immortal Rolls
Tom Fears 1950 Bowman
Jim Finks 1950 Bowman
Ray Flaherty 1977 Touchdown
Len Ford 1955 Bowman
Dan Fortmann 1974 Fleer Immortal Roll
Dan Fouts 1975 Topps
Benny Friedman 1955 Topps AA
Frank Gatski 1955 Bowman
Bill George 1956 Topps
Joe Gibbs 1989 Pro Set
Frank Gifford 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Sid Gillman 1960 Fleer
Otto Graham 1950 Bowman
Harold "Red" Grange 1933 Sports Kings
Bud Grant 1994 Vikings Police
Darrell Green 1984 Topps
Joe Greene 1971 Topps
Forrest Gregg 1960 Topps
Bob Griese 1968 Topps
Russ Grimm 1984 Topps
Lou Groza 1950 Bowman
George Halas 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Jack Ham 1973 Topps
Dan Hampton 1981 Topps
John Hannah 1974 Topps
Franco Harris 1973 Topps
Bob Hayes 1966 Philadelphia
Mike Haynes 1977 Topps
Ed Healey 1974 Fleer Immortal Roll
Mel Hein 1955 Topps AA
Ted Hendricks 1972 Topps
Gene Hickerson 1966 Philadelphia
Clarke Hinkle 1935 National Chicle
Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch 1950 Bowman
Paul Hornung 1957 Topps
Ken Houston 1971 Topps
Cal Hubbard 1974 Fleer Immortal Roll
Sam Huff 1959 Topps
Lamar Hunt 1974 Fleer Immortal Roll
Don Hutson 1955 Topps AA
Michael Irvin 1989 Score
Rickey Jackson 1984 Topps
Jimmy Johnson 1964 Philadelphia
John Henry Johnson 1955 Bowman
Charlie Joiner 1972 Topps
David "Deacon" Jones 1963 Topps
Stan Jones 1956 Topps
Henry Jordan 1961 Topps
Sonny Jurgensen 1958 Topps
Jim Kelly 1984 Topps USFL
Leroy Kelly 1967 Philadelphia
Frank "Bruiser" Kinard 1955 Topps AA
Paul Krause 1965 Philadelphia
Jack Lambert 1976 Topps
Tom Landry 1951 Bowman
Richard "Night Train" Lane 1957 Topps
Jim Langer 1973 Topps
Willie Lanier 1971 Topps
Steve Largent 1977 Topps
Yale Lary 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Dante Lavelli 1950 Bowman
Bobby Layne 1948 Leaf
Dick LeBeau 1965 Philadelphia
Alphonse "Tuffy" Leemans 1977 Touchdown
Marv Levy 1989 Pro Set
Bob Lilly 1963 Topps
Floyd Little 1968 Topps
Larry Little 1972 Topps
James Lofton 1979 Topps
Howie Long 1984 Topps
Ronnie Lott 1982 Topps
Sid Luckman 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Tom Mack 1970 Topps
John Mackey 1964 Philadelphia
John Madden 1994 Ted Williams
Wellington Mara 1997 Topps
Gino Marchetti 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Dan Marino 1984 Topps
Ollie Matson 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Bruce Matthews 1989 Score
Don Maynard 1961 Fleer / Topps
George McAfee 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Mike McCormack 1955 Bowman
Randall McDaniel 1989 Pro Set
Tommy McDonald 1957 Topps
Hugh McEhenny 1952 Bowman Small / Large
John "Blood" McNally 1974 Fleer Immortal Roll
Mike Michalske 1974 Fleer Immortal Roll
Wayne Millner 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Bobby Mitchell 1959 Topps
Ron Mix 1960 Fleer
Art Monk 1981 Topps
Joe Montana 1981 Topps
Warren Moon 1985 Topps
Lenny Moore 1956 Topps
Marion Motley 1950 Bowman
Mike Munchak 1985 Topps
Anthony Munoz 1982 Topps
George Musso 1977 Touchdown
Bronko Nagurski 1935 National Chicle
Joe Namath 1965 Topps
Ernie Nevers 1955 Topps AA
Ozzie Newsome 1979 Topps
Ray Nitschke 1963 Topps
Chuck Noll 1989 Pro Set
Leo Nomellini 1948 Leaf
Merlin Olsen 1964 Philadelphia
Jim Otto 1961 Fleer / Topps
Steve Owen 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Alan Page 1970 Topps
Clarence "Ace" Parker 1955 Topps AA
Jim Parker 1959 Topps
Walter Payton 1976 Topps
Joe Perry 1950 Bowman
Pete Pihos 1948 Leaf / Bowman
John Randle 1991 Pro Set
Mel Renfro 1965 Philadelphia
Jerry Rice 1986 Topps
John Riggins 1972 Topps
Jim Ringo 1955 Bowman
Andy Robustelli 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Art Rooney 1974 Fleer Immortal Roll
Dan Rooney 2000 Topps
Pete Rozelle 1985 Fleer Immortal Rolls
Barry Sanders 1989 Score
Charlie Sanders 1971 Topps
Gale Sayers 1966 Philadelphia
Joe Schmidt 1956 Topps
Tex Schramm 1991 Pro Set / Score / ENOR
Lee Roy Selmon 1977 Topps
Billy Shaw 1962 Fleer
Art Shell 1973 Topps
Don Shula 1980 Dolphins Police
O.J. Simpson 1970 Topps
Mike Singletary 1983 Topps
Jackie Slater 1984 Topps
Bruce Smith 1986 Topps
Emmitt Smith 1990 Score Supplemental
Jackie Smith 1967 Philadelphia
Bob St. Clair 1955 Bowman
John Stallworth 1978 Topps
Bart Starr 1957 Topps
Roger Staubach 1972 Topps
Ernie Stautner 1951 Bowman
Jan Stenerud 1970 Topps
Dwight Stephenson 1984 Topps
Hank Stram 1960 Fleer
Ken Strong 1935 National Chicle
Joe Stydahar 1952 Bowman Small / Large
Lynn Swann 1975 Topps
Fran Tarkenton 1962 Topps
Charley Taylor 1965 Philadelphia
Jim Taylor 1959 Topps
Lawrence Taylor 1982 Topps
Derrick Thomas 1989 Score
Emmitt Thomas 1972 Topps
Thurman Thomas 1989 Score
Jim Thorpe 1933 Sports Kings
Andre Tippett 1984 Topps
Y.A. Tittle 1950 Bowman
Charley Trippi 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Emlen Tunnell 1951 Bowman
Clyde "Bulldog" Turner 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Johnny Unitas 1957 Topps
Gene Upshaw 1972 Topps
Norm Van Brocklin 1951 Bowman
Steve Van Buren 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Doak Walker 1948 Leaf
Bill Walsh 1989 Pro Set
Paul Warfield 1965 Philadelphia
Bob Waterfield 1948 Leaf / Bowman
Mike Webster 1977 Topps
Roger Wehrli 1971 Topps
Arnie Weinmeister 1951 Bowman
Randy White 1976 Topps
Reggie White 1984 Topps USFL
Dave Wilcox 1967 Philadelphia
Bill Willis 1977 Touchdown
Larry Wilson 1963 Topps
Ralph Wilson Jr. 2009 Topps
Kellen Winslow 1981 Topps
Alex Wojciechowicz 1948 Bowman
Willie Wood 1963 Topps
Rod Woodson 1989 Score
Rayfield Wright 1972 Topps
Ron Yary 1972 Topps
Steve Young 1984 Topps USFL
Jack Youngblood 1973 Topps
Gary Zimmerman 1987 Topps

jradke4

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>There are "a ton" of Pre-rookie cards that could be used, but I agree with keeping it parallel to the HOF RC set. In fact, Here is my Football HOF "Pre-Rookie" site (of players only.....I don't collect coaches or administrators) Link

I, honestly, probably wouldn't participate a set like this, because it is impossible to finish. But, I would definatly like to see the cards you guys are able to pick up. .....................Anyone have a TTM address for Bronko?


Dave >>



well i think dave gets to the heart of the point. how many people are going to really go after this set? you already have some in the set that are going to be tough to ever find. mainly the chicles and the sports kings. with all the hubbub over the holr grail of football cards the Bronko Nagurski 1935 National Chicle, has anyone seen an auto'd copy? now i havent checked the pop report but i would be interested to know.

i just wonder how many people other than you and reese are really going to be going after this in full force? >>



Jay,

The same can be said about your Favre ticket collection...right (or the Favre master set, or the Marino master set, ect...)? How many people are going to chase all 200+ tickets of when he played. I agree that this set would be EXTREMELY difficult to complete, however if we keep the cards mainstream then here is al least the possibility it could be completed.

I know the Chicle cards would be near impossible to find. Another possibility would be to allow either 35 Chicles or 55 Topps AA for those players who have both cards.

I'm sure that signed Chicles exist... I know someone who has a signed Jim Thorpe 33 Sports King. Granted, there are likely less than 20 in existence, however such cards do exist but may takes years to find.

I would be very against any pre-rookie cards for players with mainstream rookies (e.g. Hutson 1930's oddball card instead of his 55 Topps AA card). Once again, I want this set to appeal to a wider audience which would require that more than a handful of autographed examples exist of most cards in the set.

JMHO.

Rgs,

Greg M. >>



True enough, not many people will collect most things in the registry at all. However, you are basically requesting a parallel set to an already exisiting set. All the cards that you will put in this set could go in the current HOF auto'd card set. My tickets for example have no where else to go. I would also argue that there is some significance to the ticket set in terms of the history of the NFL. I will also agree that the same can be said for the HOF RC card set and all the All-Decade sets (though there are some cards in the All-Decade sets that arent in the HOF RC set nor will they ever be). Then throw in some of the all time team sets that were made with bacially the same guidelines as the HOF sets. But you did ask for peoples opinions.

In general the Registry is open to all types of sets. So go for it. However, there is a reason why I havent requested my Favre TD recievers auto'd set...is that i dont think there would be many people interested in the set.

Do you have any plans to have this set rated? If so by the value of the RC or the auto or both (not sure this would even be possible)??

gregm13

Jay,

I agree that this will be much more of a specialty set than the HOF auto set....however the main difference is that every item will be possible to add plus there will be pre-defined cards that have to be added (unlike the HOF auto set). I really think there will be a lot of interest in the set... A lot of people will start it, however not many will finish (which is essentially what you're saying).

What I like about the HOF auto sets (whether the original or rc set) is that its not a guage of who has the most money...unlike many of the other registry sets (especially the big sets, e.g. 1952 Topps bb, 1952 Bowman Large fb, ect...). To complete the auto sets takes a lot of stamina because many of the auto'd cards that we seek are SO rare that we may only see one for auction once a year or once every several years. Therefore, the challenge isn't necessarily about money (although many of the tougher autographs are expensive) but more so the challenge of searching in every nook and cranny for those auto'd cards that we seek.

I would love to rate this set. I created a weighting model several years back when we talked about rating the HOF auto set.... My formula takes into account two factors - the year in which the player died and the cost of a signed 3x5. Taking everything into account, I think the weighting was fairly accurate. The only new variable that I would have to consider is the relative scarcity of the respective cards - which is something that I didn't take into account before (since it was a non-issue).

I could post the results (I'd have to add in the newer HOFers) and we could discuss from there.

Rgs,

Greg M.

jradke4

greg,

to me there is another problem. as you might know right now, even with the updated software a few years ago, non-auto'd cards can be added to the current HOF auto set. i had talke with BJ about this when they were beta testing but the obviously never finished. by this i mean cards that have been PSA/DNA, will at times allow non-PSA/DNA cards from the same set/player to be added over the auto'd card. i would have to dig in my sets to give you a specific example. but i know that is the case as i can never just do the add best item option as non-auto'd cards of mine go in instead.

the second potential problem is how will psa allow you to include cards they have never "graded" yet. so for example doing a pop report check there are no chicle that have been PSA/DNA'd. so if you are going to put them on the list according to PSA they dont exisit. kind of like the problem with player sets...ie PSA will only include cards that they have graded. same with tickets. i have a jets/chargers ticket from last year that i am looking for, yet until it gets graded they wont allow me to have it in the set list. however, they did allow me to add all games played before the set went live, so you might have an out with this problem.

just wanted to let you know ahead of time about some issues that i think will exist.

jay

JasP24

I'm not a voting member in this debate, as the auto's I collect are 8x10s and mini-helmets and not cards...BUT, I'm kinda on board with Jay here...

Really is a continuation of the "flooding" that has occurred in Football HOF RC and Key Card sets over the past couple of years. I'd be much less obliged to even address this if the Auto sets had their own Registry category. You have:

Company Sets
Mega-Sets
Hall of Fame Sets
Key Card Sets
Player Sets
Rookie Player Sets
Player Set

So why not have an Autograph Sets category to place all of these auto sets in rather than inter-mixing them within the above categories? I mean, the REAL collectible/value in these sets is the autographs and not particularly the card it is on when it comes to these sets. It seems like we are getting to the point where we are headed to having a parallel auto set for every regular set..Which IMO, clogs the listings and creates confusion for new collectors. It's almost like the 1990s card market, when you had 500 options of packs/sets to collect. Just my opinion of course.

The other issue Jay brought up that I agree with is how many collectors would actually attempt this. The Pro Football Hall of Fame Players/Coaches/Admin Autographs set has been on the Registry for 6 years and there are exactly 6 collectors at 15+%. Now, this alone is not reason to forgo creating another HOF set of "possibles", but it sounds like getting some of these sigs on cards that have never been signed before (at least not known to exist) would actually be impossible for any of the deceased players.

I'd like to see PSA do something similar to when they delete sets with zero collectors. If a set doesn't have at least 3 collectors at 50% in 3 years time, it should be deleted. There are some sets currently on the Registry that fall into this category, and those are some of what I am speaking of above when I mention "clogging the set listings and ALOT of them are Auto'd sets. Has nothing to do with a HOF RC set, but auto sets in general simply are not as highly collected as the regular sets.

Again, I have no dog or vote in this fight. But I agreed with most/all of Jay's POV and since I have to see these sets everyday o the Registry listed in the categories I collect, I thought it fair to respond. lol...Couldn't you also use the Showcase for this type thing?

Best of luck with whatever you guys decide,
Jason

sportscardtheory

Why do people use USFL cards or any other non-NFL licensed cards as rookies? I have noticed this in many registry sets. This is why I shy away from set registries and just do my own showcases. 1986 Topps is Steve Young's rookie card, not a 1984 USFL card. Same with many other players. How can an Ernie Stautner 1950 Topps Felt Back be a RC when it is a college card.

JasP24

<< <i>Why do people use USFL cards or any other non-NFL licensed cards as rookies? I have noticed this in many registry sets. This is why I shy away from set registries and just do my own showcases. 1986 Topps is Steve Young's rookie card, not a 1984 USFL card. Same with many other players. How can an Ernie Stautner 1950 Topps Felt Back be a RC when it is a college card. >>





We actually used to have the non-USFL rookies, specifically Jim Kelly's 1987 Topps rookie when we first started the set. About a year or so later, someone sent a request to PSA to change to USFL, which went out via vote to the set collectors and a month later, we were using USFL.

Similar with the Stautner. We always used the 1951 Bowman. But recently the folks at PSA decided to let Beckett decide what is a true rookie and what isn't, which prompted them (initially) to actually use ONLY the Felt Back STAMP (Its not even a card!)...Not sure how many complained, but I certainly did and was quite adamant that it be changed back. The final verdict was that they would allow both cards...

Bottom line, it is PSA's Registry. We can request, advise, inflict..lol...But in the end, PSA will do what they feel is best for their company...They can't and won't ever please everyone...We all have different opinions and beliefs so I understand their methods. But still disagree with some of them...

Jason

Davemri

I have absolutly no objections to the HOF RC Auto set being added.....


I don't see why there should be a minimum amount of collectors for each registry set. It doesn't really matter if only 1 person goes after a set, and as long as PSA is willing to add it. The registry is a place where collectors can showcase and keep track of their collection. Along the same line.....Who cares if there is "overlap" with several sets? If I was passionate enough about a set, Like Reese and Greg are, I would submit it also.

Greg, I'm sorry your thread asking opinions about your set got derailed... Good luck.

Dave

jradke4

<< <i>I have absolutly no objections to the HOF RC Auto set being added.....


I don't see why there should be a minimum amount of collectors for each registry set. It doesn't really matter if only 1 person goes after a set, and as long as PSA is willing to add it. The registry is a place where collectors can showcase and keep track of their collection. Along the same line.....Who cares if there is "overlap" with several sets? If I was passionate enough about a set, Like Reese and Greg are, I would submit it also.

Greg, I'm sorry your thread asking opinions about your set got derailed... Good luck.

Dave >>



I dont think that his set got derailed by just asking for peoples opinions. I also agree that even if only one person collects a set that it should stay. I do think that there are already a few redundant sets out there, but that may be just my opinion.

PSA is the ones that are going to have the last word on any set and any rules regarding deletions of whole set listings.

I also think that Greg got some good feed back as well as things to think about. Remember good feedback doesnt always have to be "I agree 100%".

If they request this set I hope they get it.

Davemri

<< <i>I dont think that his set got derailed by just asking for peoples opinions. I also agree that even if only one person collects a set that it should stay. I do think that there are already a few redundant sets out there, but that may be just my opinion.

PSA is the ones that are going to have the last word on any set and any rules regarding deletions of whole set listings.

I also think that Greg got some good feed back as well as things to think about. Remember good feedback doesnt always have to be "I agree 100%".

If they request this set I hope they get it.
>>



I believe that Greg was wanting opinions on the set compositon.......Not whether the set should be requested or not...Maybe I mis-interpreted.

If I asked opinions about a set I wanted to collect and was basically told "We don't need this set because it would create too much confusion and overlap" it would make me a little ticked. Especially since they have been working on this for several months. Of course this is just my opinion as well...take it for what its worth.

Dave

JasP24

<< <i> The registry is a place where collectors can showcase and keep track of their collection. >>



If there is a set with ONE collector pursuing it, who are you showcasing it to? Yourself? lol...Especially when there are 20 other nearly identical sets, making it unlikely that a random collector interested in starting a set will come across it and become interested.

And you no longer need REGISTERED sets to track your collection. The "My Inventory" feature lets you download an excel spreadsheet that you can do whatever you want with it as far as tracking inventory.

Greg's a big boy. He's been around the Registry for as long as most of us here. I'm sure he's fine with alternate opinions and doesn't need a bodyguard. Otherwise, he could have requested feedback via e-mail with the few collectors that collect the football auto cards. If he wants to start this set (same as with Tom) I'm sure he will do just that. PSA will of course add it, because there is no reason for them not to.

"Overlap", "Overkill", "Flooding the market"...Hey, its a matter of opinion. Some people love clutter and spend their lives filling their homes with it. Others value the less is more approach to life. So be it. There's room for all, and my apologies to anyone who gets their feelings hurt by hearing an opinion that doesn't fully endorse/validate their own.

Greg, best of luck with whatever you decide brother. Regardless, keep collecting what you love and know that it doesn't take another set on the Registry to tell you what that is.

Jason

Davemri

never mind....It's just not worth it.....

gregm13

Dave,

I appreciate your posts....thank you.

JASP,

I agree there is too much clutter on the registry and I would personally prefer if the autograph sets had their own category. It doesn't make sense to have autograph sets inter-woven into 3 or 4 different areas of the registry. If everything (i.e. autograph sets) were centralized into its own category, then I wouldn't have to scroll through non-autographed sets and you the opposite.

As for your comment about autographs not being as highly collected as regular cards, you have to keep in mind that the grading/slabbing of autographed cards is well behind the grading of regular cards... In other words, there are far more un-authenticated autographed cards in existence (especially vintage) than authenticated...which is one reason that autograph registry sets aren't as popular as non-autographed card sets (i.e. the autographed cards may exist, however they aren't graded/slabbed). Of all the top vintage autographed card dealers that I deal with, not one actively grades/authenticates the autographed cards in their inventory. As a matter of fact, of the several thousand vintage autographed cards that I own, I've bought maybe 30 or 40 already authenticated. One reason is cost (since the cost to slab an autographed card under $500 is $20) and the second is that most of the autograph dealers are either as competant if not more than the PSA authenticators or the dealers themselves authenciate for PSA. Therefore, a second opinion isn't needed.

Before Jay, Reese, Frank and I started the HOF auto set in earnest 4 years ago, there was little interest in NFL HOF autographed cards on the registry. In the past 4 years, the NFL HOF auto thread has become one of the most active threads and the interest is growing; with one of the most popular collecting themes being signed HOF rc. I honestly think that such a set would draw interest from a broad spectrum of collectors and would hopefully generate more interest in NFL HOF signed cards (or other items) which makes the hobby that much more diverse.

I really appreciate your opinion and I will take your comments into consideration.

Rgs,

Greg M.

JasP24

<< <i>Dave,

I appreciate your posts....thank you.

JASP,

I agree there is too much clutter on the registry and I would personally prefer if the autograph sets had their own category. It doesn't make sense to have autograph sets inter-woven into 3 or 4 different areas of the registry. If everything (i.e. autograph sets) were centralized into its own category, then I wouldn't have to scroll through non-autographed sets and you the opposite.

As for your comment about autographs not being as highly collected as regular cards, you have to keep in mind that the grading/slabbing of autographed cards is well behind the grading of regular cards... In other words, there are far more un-authenticated autographed cards in existence (especially vintage) than authenticated...which is one reason that autograph registry sets aren't as popular as non-autographed card sets (i.e. the autographed cards may exist, however they aren't graded/slabbed). Of all the top vintage autographed card dealers that I deal with, not one actively grades/authenticates the autographed cards in their inventory. As a matter of fact, of the several thousand vintage autographed cards that I own, I've bought maybe 30 or 40 already authenticated. One reason is cost (since the cost to slab an autographed card under $500 is $20) and the second is that most of the autograph dealers are either as competant if not more than the PSA authenticators or the dealers themselves authenciate for PSA. Therefore, a second opinion isn't needed.

Before Jay, Reese, Frank and I started the HOF auto set in earnest 4 years ago, there was little interest in NFL HOF autographed cards on the registry. In the past 4 years, the NFL HOF auto thread has become one of the most active threads and the interest is growing; with one of the most popular collecting themes being signed HOF rc. I honestly think that such a set would draw interest from a broad spectrum of collectors and would hopefully generate more interest in NFL HOF signed cards (or other items) which makes the hobby that much more diverse.

I really appreciate your opinion and I will take your comments into consideration.

Rgs,

Greg M. >>



I collect autographs as well, just not autos on cards. But you make valid points here, it is a fairly new service in comparison to regular PSA grading, and has plenty of upside. I'd be interested to see, as someone mentioned above, exactly how many 48 Leaf or 35 Chicle RC's bear autographs. The number has got to be tiny. I could definitely see the interest some could/would have in pursuing that though. Unfortunately, I've never tracked or searched for autographs on the particular HOF RCs, so I really have no clue what the pops look like, and I'm talking UNgraded here.

Anyway, best of luck with whatever you decide. I'm glad you did not take offense to my OPINIONS, as certainly ZERO was intended. Just kinda agreed with what Jay was saying so thought I'd chime in. If anyone can make a set like this work, it's you.

Jason

jradke4

i really wish PSA/DNA could grade both the auto and the card.

somehow they can grade a auto and a ball but not the same for a card.

Ahmanfan

will the cards be graded as well, and that factor in? what bout auto grades?

wish I had the funds to send mine in and participate. Perhaps in time!
good idea Greg.
John

gregm13

<< <i>i really wish PSA/DNA could grade both the auto and the card.

somehow they can grade a auto and a ball but not the same for a card. >>



Jay,

I agree w/ you 100%...I don't understand PSA's reluctance to grading the card and auto.

Rgs,

Greg M.

gregm13

Any other comments?

Rgs,

Greg M.

Rocketman12

Hello,
This is my first post, but I have been lurking around these boards for over a year. Greg and Reese, I think this set would be a great addition to the Registry -- one in which a good number of collectors, including myself, would like to participate. (I have 60-70 signed HOF rookies now, but only a handful of them are slabbed.) Sure, all of the cards in this set could be put in the regular HOF Auto Registry, but in this era of manufacturer-certified autos and cut signatures, the signed vintage rookies get forgotten in the rush to find a PSA 10. I would prefer a signed rookie in any condition to a PSA 10 cut signature card with a chopped-off autograph, and from reading the various ttm threads on these boards and SCN, there seems to be a growing number of collectors who prefer signed vintage (especially rookies) to the newer releases.

As for the set composition, I have a few suggestions/questions. First, can the regional police cards for Shula and Bud Grant be changed to more mainstream issues? For Shula, 1989 Pro Set was his first nationally distributed card from a major set and has the RC designation in Beckett, but if you want something older/vintage, I would support 1964 Philadelphia over the 1980 Police issue. For Grant, even though it looks out of place with the rest of the list, I think his 2005 UD Legends is the closest to being a true RC (wide distribution, major set). Second, I also would prefer the 1986 Topps Steve Young and Reggie White and 1987 Topps Jim Kelly to their USFL cards. Maybe you can ask PSA to allow an option on these like you are on the 1948 Leaf/Bowman, etc? Finally, does Ralph Wilson Jr. actually have a card in 2009 Topps? The only issue that I have seen with his picture on it is the Goal Line Art card, and I think he might still be on the Impossible list because of the lack of a mainstream card.

Good luck in getting this set added to the Registry -- I really hope to see it there someday.
Kyle

gregm13

Kyle,

Welcome to the boards and thank you very much for your post. I completely understand your comment about using police cards vs. 1989 Pro Set for Shula, Gibbs and Walsh. Reese and I have discussed this issue and you have a valid point about using a nationally distributed set instead of a regionally distributed set. I tend to agree with you, however I really hate having to use 2005 UD Legends for Bud Grant. If we want to go that route, then we have no other choice....

As for your other comment about using the USFL vs. regular Topps cards for White, Young and Kelly, I have no problem allowing that flexibility. I personally consider the USFL cards to be their true rookies, however many collectors consider the first regular issue Topps cards to be their first true rookies. I'll revise my list.

As for your last qustion about Ralph Wilson Jr, I assumed that he had a 2009 Topps HOF card....because I thought that Topps always released a subset of HOF inductees every year. Did they stop producing the HOF inductee subset?

Thanks again and please feel free to e-mail me at montooth13@yahoo.com...I'd definately like to talk autographs with you.

Rgs,

Greg M.

jradke4

i guess the question remains, what is going to be the plan of newer cards...ie Tom Brady. Is it going to have to the $900 SP rookie that you have to get signed or is it going to be another "factory" issued auto?

according to your set so far it would have be the SP that people would either have to send to him to be signed or take to a show etc. not sure that i would take my chances that it would come back TTM, not to mention what if "he" (not to single out Brady here) had a ghost signer sign a high $$ card only to come back a fake by PSA?

i would be interested to hear what the feeling is on the newer HOFers to come that will have factory issued auto's vs having to have send out a Topps Chrome, etc to be signed.

sportscardtheory

I think it would be cool to allow ANY signed true RC of any player, not just their "best" RC. That would make it much easier and more fun. Most of the older players only have 1 RC anyway, but it would be much easier for the "newer" players.

JasP24

Something I totally forgot to mention. If this set is going to be comprised of "ROOKIE" cards, PSA is going to want you to use the cards designated as TRUE rookie cards according to the idiotic Beckett Rookie Card Encyclopedia.

Greg, you should probably e-mail Cosetta and see what your options are before you put too much into it only to get denied and/or have cards corrected/changed by PSA without them asking you. it sucks, trust me. lol

Jason

cfhofer

What about 1926 Spalding cards of Benny Friedman, Ernie Nevers and Red Grange. I've actually seen a signed 1926 Friedman.

Davemri

Did this set ever get requested? Just curious

Dave

gregm13

<< <i>Did this set ever get requested? Just curious

Dave >>



Dave,

It's been up and live for around 2 months. It's listed under HOF signed RC or something to that effect. I believe there are currently 3 registered sets. Are you going to join the fray?

Rgs,

Greg M.

Autos4Alex

Do you think this set (and an equivallent baseball set) would be more attractive to collect if it were also split up some in the registry? Perhaps by decade, so HOF Autoed Rookies from the 80's, 70's, 60's and so on. This way it's easier to complete and people can ease theirself in with the easier to find, more recent decades? It seems like there's still a good number of cards for each decade and most of the 'impossible' ones are from earlier decades?

I would be interested in working on a football set as well, but would like to start with a bit more attainable goals. For my baseball set, I am focused on post war and I pick up the occasional pre-war when I can (though it gets near impossible with 19th centry stuff, and even pre-20's is really rare).

Davemri

Oh cool. Shows you how much I go look at the registry.

I doubt I'll jump in, but I really enjoy watching your progress. If I ever did autos, this would be my set!


Dave

thenavarro

<< <i>Oh cool. Shows you how much I go look at the registry.

I doubt I'll jump in, but I really enjoy watching your progress. If I ever did autos, this would be my set!


Dave >>



Jump in Dave, autos are fun!!

Mike

VitoCo1972

<< <i>Do you think this set (and an equivallent baseball set) would be more attractive to collect if it were also split up some in the registry? Perhaps by decade, so HOF Autoed Rookies from the 80's, 70's, 60's and so on. This way it's easier to complete and people can ease theirself in with the easier to find, more recent decades? It seems like there's still a good number of cards for each decade and most of the 'impossible' ones are from earlier decades?

I would be interested in working on a football set as well, but would like to start with a bit more attainable goals. For my baseball set, I am focused on post war and I pick up the occasional pre-war when I can (though it gets near impossible with 19th centry stuff, and even pre-20's is really rare). >>



extremely worthy question. I have the same reasoning for not even grading my auto cards. It would entice me if I thought I could actually complete a set.

JasP24

Forgot all about that set. It's definitely listed kinda weird. Almost hard to find.

Interesting choices that PSA is using for the coach/admin guys and player who didn't have a true rookie card. To me, these make the set kinda ugly. 1985 Fleer Immortals? 2000 Topps Hall of Fame? Yikes...I can't imagine those ever becoming desirable or being considered actual ''rookie'' cards of these HOFers.

3 collectors chasing it, not bad I guess. I'd be shocked to ever see it more than 5.

Jason

gregm13

<< <i>Forgot all about that set. It's definitely listed kinda weird. Almost hard to find.

Interesting choices that PSA is using for the coach/admin guys and player who didn't have a true rookie card. To me, these make the set kinda ugly. 1985 Fleer Immortals? 2000 Topps Hall of Fame? Yikes...I can't imagine those ever becoming desirable or being considered actual ''rookie'' cards of these HOFers.

3 collectors chasing it, not bad I guess. I'd be shocked to ever see it more than 5.

Jason >>



Jason,

Reese and I chose the first mainstream card made of each HOFer that was possible to obtain. Personally, I like the fact that we can add signed "rookie cards" of more than just the players who have Topps, Bowman, Fleer, Leaf, Score cards. I agree that it is definatly a specialty set and the difficult cards to obtain (e.g. signed 1935 National Chicle) will discourage most people from starting the set.

Rgs,

Greg M.

gregm13

<< <i>Do you think this set (and an equivallent baseball set) would be more attractive to collect if it were also split up some in the registry? Perhaps by decade, so HOF Autoed Rookies from the 80's, 70's, 60's and so on. This way it's easier to complete and people can ease theirself in with the easier to find, more recent decades? It seems like there's still a good number of cards for each decade and most of the 'impossible' ones are from earlier decades?

I would be interested in working on a football set as well, but would like to start with a bit more attainable goals. For my baseball set, I am focused on post war and I pick up the occasional pre-war when I can (though it gets near impossible with 19th centry stuff, and even pre-20's is really rare). >>



I completely understand what you're saying. You're free to request new sets based on whatever criteria you want - e.g. HOF auot'd cards from the 80's and I'm sure that more people would be willing to participate. The main drawback for the set is that it's impossible to know how many of the "tough" autographed cards are in existence - especially of the 1935 National Chicle cards. Autographed cards of the HOFers from that set are "possible", however I have never personally seen an autographed 1935 National Chicle card.

Rgs,

Greg M.

gregm13

<< <i>Oh cool. Shows you how much I go look at the registry.

I doubt I'll jump in, but I really enjoy watching your progress. If I ever did autos, this would be my set!


Dave >>



Dave,

Do it! Beware - it's very, very addicting.

Rgs,

Greg M.

Davemri

Since finishing my HOF RC set (still need a Rickey Jackson) I have been looking for a new set to attempt but I dont think I'm ready to jump into something like this yet. I agree the # of participants will remain low just because of the "uncompletabilty" and the cost involved to get some of the cards. I highly respect those attepting the set though. I couldn't imagine if a Auto 35 Chicle Nagurski came up for auction!

I can definatly see both sides of the argument on including some of the "lesser known" sets like the TD club, immortals, etc..... It's kinda like the HOF RC set including cards of players that were produced many years after their playing days (Thorpe, Henry, Hutson, Friedman, Nevers, Hein, Millner, Stydahar, etc.........). Although the 55 AA's are much more desirable. And also.....Cards of players while still attending college (Doak Walker was still enrolled at SMU when the card came out)
Plus, I hate leaving HOFer's out of my collection just because they didn't have any "mainstream" cards issued. Hard to say you have a complete HOF RC set when there are 20+ players that are not included in the set.

Since completing my set, I have been picking up cards of HOFers that I consider "true" rookies, plus some players that are not included in the HOF RC set. Some of them are nearly impossible to find, but the thrill of the hunt is what keeps it exciting. Some of my Pre-rookies that I have picked up include.....



1912 Jim Thorpe Olympic card but 21 years before his SK "rookie"
1926 Ken Strong 9 years older than Chicle "rookie"
1934 Blood McNally No cards produced so I went with a matchbook
1934 Don Hutson 21 years before his 55 AA "rookie"
1946 Frank Gatski 9 years before his 55 bowman "rookie"
1961 Herb Adderley 3 years before his 64 Philly "rookie"


Theres still about 50-60 of these pre-rookies I'd like to find.

I realize there there are many different opinions about what should and shouldn't be included in these types of sets. We have been debating them for years now.


Dave