1878-CC trade dollar that I picked up over the weekend.

coin22lover

What's your opinion?
I suspect it won't be able to grade, but?

coinguy1

My opinion is that it's counterfeit.

rld14

Ummm... Don't shoot the messenger but I think that it won't grade because it's not genuine. It looks like a cast counterfeit to me.

Steve27

IMO it's a fake (look at the reeding); did you think otherwise?

doh

It won't be able to grade because it's a counterfeit...cheap hole filler though

mbogoman

Very poor fake and the counterfeiter wasn't paying attention to details. That's a type I reverse on a date that should be a type II...

greghansen

Cast counterfeit...I agree. Under a loupe the surfaces will display little tiny raised pimply bumps. Struck counterfeits are much more deceptive. Massive loss of detail on this one most apparent in the loss of detail in recessed areas of eagle on reverse and in the wheat stalks/grain on the obverse. Plus the look, color, toning pattern...all are suspicious. No need to go on....

SilverEagles92

Not even a convincing fake - hope you didn't give more than a few dollars for it at the most.

coin22lover

Darn, I can't fool you guys. I ordered it out of China just for fun!

morgandollar1878

<< <i>My opinion is that it's counterfeit. >>

coindeuce

I still have my Singapore piece that nearly fooled the TPG's. I put it out at shows as a teaching tool. The poor definition of obverse denticles is the red flag. Weight is within tolerance, and devices are well defined.

greatnortherncoin

how can you tell its counterfeit ?

Musky1011

the absence of stalks on the wheat by the hand and it looks just like the one I carry in my pocket

AUandAG

Go get your money back. I don't think this one is legit. What does it weigh?
Diameter?

bob

66Tbird

Probably not what you wanted to hear Hopefully a cheap lesson.

robkool

That's something I would find in a bin at a local swap meet for a few dollars...

johnny9434

nothing good there.

TomB

Why do folks knowingly support counterfeiters when they know it undermines the hobby-industry?

airplanenut

<< <i>Why do folks knowingly support counterfeiters when they know it undermines the hobby-industry? >>

Why does Tom keep writing exactly what I was planning to post?

BaseballAbs

<< <i>Why do folks knowingly support counterfeiters when they know it undermines the hobby-industry? >>

crypto79

<< <i>how can you tell its counterfeit ? >>



Bunch of ways but first and foremost it is the the wrong hub type as a Type1 Rev. That was not used after 1876. If you would like to see pictures of the difference and some real trade dollars click my sig line.

keoj

There are many tells that this is counterfeit.

- Its cast and one can easily see this
- It has a Type I Obverse - impossible for this date
- It has a Type I Reverse - impossible for this date

Sorry, but its not even a good fake.

keoj

AUandAG

<< <i>how can you tell its counterfeit ? >>



Do you think that the different sizes of the 8's in the date might be a clue? First things
first, look at the numerals!
bob

BigE

<< <i>I still have my Singapore piece that nearly fooled the TPG's. I put it out at shows as a teaching tool. The poor definition of obverse denticles is the red flag. Weight is within tolerance, and devices are well defined.

>>






Maybe the graders had never seen that style of shoe before?----------BigE

ricko

Obvious fake, and I cannot imagine the '78 fooling the TPG's... that is a glaring counterfeit as well. I do not understand why people knowingly buy these. Makes no sense. Look and learn, but do not waste the money. Cheers, RickO

blueifalcon

The first coin I won was a counterfeit Trade Dollar. Haven't bought one since. I can't remember who it was, but someone on here put out good advise that I haven't forgotten. If it isn't in a slab, leave it alone, unless you know what the heck you're doing. Thanks for the good advise!

jmj3esq

Its a fake.

crypto79

<< <i>I still have my Singapore piece that nearly fooled the TPG's. I put it out at shows as a teaching tool. The poor definition of obverse denticles is the red flag. Weight is within tolerance, and devices are well defined.

>>



That is a much better then avg fake. My first glance gave off no tells. The Mint Mark is wrong and the wear pattern isn't quit right but it is one of the better fakes.

coindeuce

Maybe the graders had never seen that style of shoe before?----------BigE >>



I don't have a clue as to what you're referring to. My coin clearly exhibits a bare left foot of Liberty.

keoj

Coindeuce:

Nice fake!!! This would fool most if not all people looking at picture.

- The bad stars are a possible tell but not absolute
- The edge is poor but not out of possibility
- For a 78-CC the dexter top of wing would be a signal for me (most 78-CC's are well struck in that area)
- Four different dies were used for the 78-CC so the CC's match one die that I am aware of although I would need to research it further

This would require an in hand examination if I ever saw a coin like this.

keoj

crypto79

<< <i>Coindeuce:

Nice fake!!! This would fool most if not all people looking at picture.

- The bad stars are a possible tell but not absolute
- The edge is poor but not out of possibility
- For a 78-CC the dexter top of wing would be a signal for me (most 78-CC's are well struck in that area)
- Four different dies were used for the 78-CC so the CC's match one die that I am aware of although I would need to research it further

This would require an in hand examination if I ever saw a coin like this.

keoj >>



Keoj

To my research it looks like the CC is spaced to widely and is on too flat of a plane, it should have a slight uptick unless completely to the right of the D in Dollar

dsessom

<< <i>Why do folks knowingly support counterfeiters when they know it undermines the hobby-industry? >>



Actually, I'd think that people who know they are counterfeit taking them out of the market would be a good thing, so uneducated people won't get burned.
The OP's piece was probably made long, long ago.

AUandAG

<< <i>

<< <i>Why do folks knowingly support counterfeiters when they know it undermines the hobby-industry? >>



Actually, I'd think that people who know they are counterfeit taking them out of the market would be a good thing, so uneducated people won't get burned.
The OP's piece was probably made long, long ago. >>



Dwayne, I'll bet that that coin was made in the last 6 months.....not long ago. The internet is flooded, from time to time, with this fake.

bob